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Is it just me? Losing patriotism ( USA )

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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Perhaps it is not recent developments - But the rate at which these experiences of decline can be shared has increased, so I suppose you could say the blinds have been opened for me more recently.


Nope. It's pretty much always been like this. Have you not heard of Manifest Destiny? Heck just look at the history of marijuana and other drug prohibition.


There are statistics proving that the cost of living and wages are worse now than in many years, though, and poverty, as we know.. Causes all types of problems. Looking up the highest crime cities and states, you find that the most crime happens in cities where there's more poverty. Less crime in cities with higher income - And that a higher black population is likely accompanied with higher crime, and a higher asian population is sometimes associated with lower crime.


Statistics show a lot of things. They also show that we are living in a time of the most educated people on the planet. Living longer. We have access to more entertainment and happiness than any other generation before us.


These are things I wish could be fixed. Less segregation, racism, poverty - More equality. This is the reason I've turned more and more towards democratic presidents in the last few years ( imagining our vote actually counts, which I still am not so sure )


I agree. I'd like for them to be fixed too, but the problems are rooted DEEP in American history. Uprooting them isn't an easy process and because these things have been with us so long, we get resistance to changing them from conservatives.




posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

I love where I live currently - It's a town of 150 people, but I feel I am surrounded by good people, and beautiful land - Crime statistics and tourism numbers back both of these up, and while I shouldn't need these numbers to verify how I feel, it does give me a sense of... Feeling like I am not in some state of ignorance or denying problems around me that exist, I feel like people really are happier here, and commit less crime, and are very kind and accepting although they are mormon -

You are in the perfect place to remove yourself from the game.

Money itself has no real value. It is just an agreed upon bargaining chip, used to barter for the real items and goods you do want and need. There are a number of ways you can barter. Find out what you are able to provide that others may need or want, and trade in good and services.

This type of tinder makes a community more cohesive and productive, without the outside influence of tyrannical governments. Check the laws and use them in your favor. If you have to form co-ops or community gardens, do it. Do what ever you can do to reduce you need of the tyrannical government, the usurpers.

America is supposed to be about the people, and the people are the government. We need to take our country back. If we have to do it one mule, one garden, and one community at a time. Our ancestors built it from nothing, we had better get to cracking.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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My guess OP is that you haven't lost your Patriotism but you hate what has become of America. At least that's the way I would perceive it. There are still lots of good in where we live. There is no other country I would rather be. But it is very demoralizing knowing that we live in a country that is ran by #ing crooks, cowards, liars and murderers. And not a damn thing any of us can do about it.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: rajas

Huh? You took one line from my post, and posted about the pledge of allegiance?

I am all for separation of church and state - I believe it's as important a part of the constitution as any.


Separation of church and state... what is that, exactly? That has always been a favorite nebulous phrase of anti-religion people. The 1A says Congress shall make no law respecting a religion. That simply means that there shall be no "state-sponsored" religion like you have in mooslim countries. It does not mean that religion is "not allowed" in any form and it most certainly doe not mean "freedom FROM religion". It, like many other parts of the Constitution, has been corrupted by the atheist left.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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What the hell is patriotism, sounds like some indoctrinated nazi bs, The dirt beneath your feet doesn't own you, nor do you really own it. You people need free yourself, the Law by Frederic Bastiat should be your book,



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agreed with you... I said maybe it's not recent developments, perhaps just the rate at which things can be shared.

Happiness is an odd term, and I'm not sure I would agree. We have more access to materialistic things, but what makes people feel fulfilled, like their life has meaning? I live in the country and people seem far happier with gardening and ranching than people in the city are - Maybe I'm just biased, but the forms of entertainment people have access to these days doesn't seem to make them at peace, happy, joyful, it just seems to make them amused for a little bit.

The far right does seem to cause more issues when it comes to segregation and poverty. They seem to prefer the rights of the corporations over the rights of the people - I used identify as somewhat conservative because I do believe capitalism and smaller government COULD theoretically work, though I don't believe we live in a world for it to work, socialistic democracies are what the worlds most prosperous countries seem to be, and I think America should follow suit. It's not a popular opinion, but this Corporatist oligarchy is definitely not what I think we should continue.



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

I agree. People are complaining about everything religion these days - Like a coach saying a prayer at a game. So long as he's not teaching/forcing this, I believe it's fully his constitutionally protected right to worship the way he wants. People keep saying " Separation of church and state" to express their disgust towards religion... It's kinda like how the anti-gays are. It disgusts them that people are gay, so they think it should be illegal and unallowed for anyone to act as such.



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