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Warning – ‘The GOP needs to wake up’

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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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The GOP is headed for the biggest loss in their history of they don’t wake up to the grass roots. If the people choose Jeb! Rubio, Cruz, Trump or Carson it is up to them. We have huge issues that we are facing and we need serious debates that are not gotcha games. Dr. Ben Carson was right on This Week on ABC. What sets each of these candidates apart? Can we find it without divisiveness?


I am not sure who the GOP represents anymore. They used to represent those people that wanted a system where big government stayed out of their lives. They used to represent fiscal responsibility. Now, I am not sure I know anyone they represent. Other than supporting the 2nd amendment I don't really agree with anything the main-stream GOP believes anymore. We have moved past the abortion issue, the marriage equality issue and other social issues where the Republicans are still mired in the past. If Democrats weren't so anti-gun and fiscally irresponsible the election would be over already.

As bad as Obamacare is, the idea of universal healthcare isn't bad. The idea of free higher education benefits all of society. The problem is the Dems actually increased the cost of healthcare for most people instead of making it more affordable. Also, Dems control most institutions of higher learning, but have no idea how to keep the cost of education under control. Democrats are right on many social issues, they are just clueless of how to implement them with any sanity.

I am agreeing with the article here that the Republicans are in deep trouble in 2016. They are so out of touch with the main-stream we might end up with a Democratic landslide next November. If they could get into the 21st century on social issues they would be able to sensibly implement the changes this country needs. We need a political party that understands the issues of modern society, but has the brains to implement the policies we need with out bankrupting our country.

Sadly, both of the political parties fall short, but I see the Democrats at least being on the right track even if they have no idea how to implement their ideas.

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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

The problems with universal health care and free higher education is that they aren't free, and when you get government involved, the costs go up making them much less then free even if the actual point-of-sale user doesn't feel the immediate impact.

Also, what most people think of when they see "free" attached to them is government control which them boils down to socialized, centrally planned systems. Those also are never as cheap or efficient as they are originally sold to be which means in the end they are less free then they are sold to be.

What needs to happen before we start talking about anything else is a "come to Jesus" moment about spending because even with Obama's increases and the increased revenue they brought in, the government refused to respond with less spending. Both sides have continued to simply increased spending and the rate of spending, so we are told the taxes aren't enough ... it's never enough.

And until we admit we have a real spending problem, no matter what our actual tax rates or revenues are, we aren't going to make any headway toward being able to discuss what programs we might like to have on top of what we already do for the people.

* AND NO PARTY WANTS TO HAVE THAT TALK*

It means telling people they will get less across the board. It just does.


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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

It's deeper than what you think. The democrats exploit social issues and fragmented minority groups (transgenders, for ex.) to push a system of control over thought, speech, etc. The truth is the party elites could give a crap about these groups, they just want the control that comes from the brainwashing.

The GOP establishment is simply drunk on power and profits derived from the military industrial complex and the neverending war that they perpetuate with each country they invade.

Both want total control. Neither party gives a rat's arse about The People.

I'm painting in broad strokes, so leave me out of any flamefests that you want to start.



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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I wish the GOP would stay asleep and take the DNC with them.


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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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The GOP supports the corporate model, and the wealthy elite that own and participate in that lofty atmosphere; reserved for the very few.

They are geniuses at convincing a large part of the proletariat that they represent them as well while they mock and laugh at the dumbass pawns known as the conservative middle class that support them.
edit on 3-11-2015 by olaru12 because: #%^EYTHNY*JR



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I have to agree with you. The candidates are pandering to the lowest common denominator on the right. Guns, Immigration, abortion, religious liberty etc. But these are all easy things to say and never do anything about. I to used to think that all republicans wanted fiscal responsibility and smaller government but that never seems to happen with Republican presidents or Republican controlled congress....

I still feel that Clinton is going to get elected unless we can stop her some how. The Benghazi hearings made her stronger.


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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:13 PM
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We need a political party that understands the issues of modern society, but has the brains to implement the policies we need with out bankrupting our country

Modern American history, even beyond the political arena, has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, that US citizens will not find a solution to effectively address the requirements of a modern society by voting in a candidate from either the Democratic or Republican parties.

Lobbynomics is ensuring that Corporate oligarchies and the wealthy elite grow ever more distance from the middle class - eroding that class to become poorer. Both Democrats and Republicans are governed by lobbynomics.

It is a fundamental failing of the US political system that the Electoral College delivers to the people, the choice for POTUS - groomed for the position by corporate oligarchies and the wealthy elite who control the propaganda machine and moneybags behind the lobbyists.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Metallicus


We need a political party that understands the issues of modern society, but has the brains to implement the policies we need with out bankrupting our country

Modern American history, even beyond the political arena, has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, that US citizens will not find a solution to effectively address the requirements of a modern society by voting in a candidate from either the Democratic or Republican parties.

Lobbynomics is ensuring that Corporate oligarchies and the wealthy elite grow ever more distance from the middle class - eroding that class to become poorer. Both Democrats and Republicans are governed by lobbynomics.

It is a fundamental failing of the US political system that the Electoral College delivers to the people, the choice for POTUS - groomed for the position by corporate oligarchies and the wealthy elite who control the propaganda machine and moneybags behind the lobbyists.


And it's all right there...the perfect marriage of the principles of the Tea Party, the Occupy movement, Sander's Democratic Socialism and Paul's Libertarian Ideals. Find the common denominators and that is what people want.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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It's kind of funny when Herman Cain -- the Pokemon quoting, pizza making guy looks like a better alternative to the current GOP line up.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: amazing

The funny thing? Both the "occupy" and "tea party" have some common ground, but they never seem to realize it:




posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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Trump and Carson both have said they would revamp the tax code and do away with many of the duplicate federal departments (smaller government) Both have said they want to make America a winner as far as international trade deals and companies moving out of the states and across some border for cheap parts and labor to ship back to America.. We tend to listen with preconceived ideas about candidates because of the way they look or sound instead of the message.. Trump and his N.Y. accent gets on my nerves but his message is one that many (according to his poll numbers) agree with.. Carson and his slow careful way of speaking and not cutting to the chase at times does the same thing and grates, however, many of his thoughts seem to be striking a note with the people being polled ... As far as I am concerned by the way both have been treated by MSM rewriting and editing what they said for some inflammatory headline they are not the chosen ones by whoever thinks they do the choosing and would certainly have my vote just because I am against the current grain of the political landscape.

I am all for any so called outsider who doesn't need a teleprompter and several speech writers to get his or her message across and is funding their campaign without pac money.

There was a time when you could not get elected in the states without the backing of the religious organizations (They are Americans too) so no doubt there is some pandering to that segment. .

If I had a magic wan I would wave it and place Trump and Carson in the White house as Trump as president and Carson as the vice. Both are self made men and know a little about the art of the deal.. We have had enough of people who only know how to get a re-election machine up and running so IMO we desperately need someone who can tear apart the bloated federal government and make it efficient and smaller not to mention cut taxes, do away with loop holes in the tax code, and bring jobs back to America..... otherwise no jobs or lousy jobs does not bode well for the states.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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The GOP supports the corporate model, and the wealthy elite that own and participate in that lofty atmosphere; reserved for the very few.


Because there are only poor, not so wealthy Dems? No Corps that are controlled by Dems, started by Dems, or sold to other Dems?

And Dems NEVER use their constituants as pawns?

Bwahaaaaahaha!!

No, I am not part of the GOP. Dems are equally bad, my friend.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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And Ben Carson seems to have a very poor grasp on economic policy, he didn't do so well in a recent interview about the debt ceiling.




The good doctor has consistently shown his lack of understanding of economic matters, and this streak culminated in a disastrous interview with Marketplace on Wednesday. Carson shows a basic misunderstanding of topics a president simply needs to know cold.


I guess the interview didn't go so well:




Ryssdal: All right, so let’s talk about debt then and the budget. As you know, Treasury Secretary Lew has come out in the last couple of days and said, “We’re gonna run out of money, we’re gonna run out of borrowing authority, on the fifth of November.” Should the Congress then and the president not raise the debt limit? Should we default on our debt?

Carson: Let me put it this way: if I were the president, I would not sign an increased budget. Absolutely would not do it. They would have to find a place to cut.

Ryssdal: To be clear, it’s increasing the debt limit, not the budget, but I want to make sure I understand you. You’d let the United States default rather than raise the debt limit.

Carson: No, I would provide the kind of leadership that says, “Get on the stick guys, and stop messing around, and cut where you need to cut, because we’re not raising any spending limits, period.”

Ryssdal: I’m gonna try one more time, sir. This is debt that’s already obligated. Would you not favor increasing the debt limit to pay the debts already incurred?

Carson: What I’m saying is what we have to do is restructure the way that we create debt. I mean if we continue along this, where does it stop? It never stops. You’re always gonna ask the same question every year. And we’re just gonna keep going down that pathway. That’s one of the things I think that the people are tired of.

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The modern Republican party doesn’t agree with this line of thinking. Many in the party believe that it would be better to default than to incur any more debt at all, and Ryssdal was trying to figure out whether Carson agrees. If Carson truly understood the debt ceiling, there’s a simple answer to this question. He should have just said, “Your question is moot, because when I become president, there will be Republican majorities in Congress, so we will raise the debt ceiling at the same time that we balance the budget.” Instead, he consistently conflated authorizing new spending with raising the debt ceiling.


And that's not including his tax plan:



What’s his plan? He told Ryssdal that he will direct every government agency to cut 3% or 4% from its budgets. For that to even come close to closing this $10 trillion hole, that would mean that the 4% figure applies to Social Security (which is 24% of the federal budget) and Medicare payments as well as the military (another 18% of the federal budget). Carson has previously said, however, that cuts to the military are “idiotic.”

Fortune

So the guy may be a brain surgeon, but he has no grasp on how formulate sound economic policy.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Come on over to the socialist side, Mettalicus.

We don't care whom gets married, abortion is a matter of freedom, universal healthcare is a must and the 2nd amendment is as important as any other right we have.

We also don't care what you think, believe or desire for your life as long as you let others be free as well. Only thing we ask is that you contribute along with everyone else.

The GOP is toast. Done. It was all their doing and they deserve everything they get for trying to propagandize and manipulate people in to believing their bull#.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

The GOP represents GOP Inc. The DNC represents DNC Inc.

For those voters still clinging to a label in hopes they are heard, that label does not care about you anymore than Nike or Pepsi care about you past continuing to blindly purchase their product.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 06:54 PM
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Have you guys heard the bullshiz polls that Ben Carson is leading in the state of Iowa.... by a big percentage.... even Trump calls these polls bullshiz.... ABC just made it sound like on TV that Carson is ahead in all the polls.... BS

abcnews.go.com...

No way in hell that soft-spoken Carson is leading..... FU MSM



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: amazing

The funny thing? Both the "occupy" and "tea party" have some common ground, but they never seem to realize it:



And who's the only candidate other than Donald the clown that's not beholden to that category in the middle of your graphic, the corporate elite?

That would be Bernie Sanders.

Even if he couldn't accomplish a third of what he proposes, at least I know that he doesn't represent the corporate agenda.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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I'm not a Bernie fanatic, simply because I think if he becomes POTUS it'll be another 4 years of what we've seen with Obama. The GOP will dig in even deeper and nothing will get done. There will be even more brinksmanship over budgets and we'll have wasted our time getting Bernie in the WH.

Instead of hearing the usual, "Obama's a Kenyan-born, homosexual, murderous Muslim" they'll have to find something else with Bernie. Maybe his lack of religion or his Jewish heritage? Perhaps just having the sacrilegious word "socialist" floating around will be enough? There's plenty of scare tactics and fear mongering tools that can be dusted off from the cold war era. . .

I will say though, just looking at the man -- I don't believe there's another candidate who would work harder at the job.
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posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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Of all the candidates, Ben Carson is the most charasmatic. His sincerity and soft-spoken approach work well for him. Honestly, I love listening to him talk because of these traits. He's comes across as genuine. Alas, I don't believe he has what it takes to lead the nation.

On the other hand, Trump isn't even on my radar. His approach is akin to listening to nails raking across a chalk board. The man turns my stomach. So, definitely not presidential material.

For me it's a toss up between Bush and Christie with Rubio running a close third. These are the three that I find have what it takes to lead the nation.

Overall though, the GOP is one hot mess. I don't believe there is a quick fix for that until the far right extremists learn to cooperate with the rest of the party.



posted on Nov, 3 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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Can't we just get a pre-Palin version of John McCain to run for the GOP? I liked McCain before he chose Palin as his running mate.



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