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posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66


Yes Blacks commit crimes against Whites than Whites do against Blacks by a factor of 5.6397.

Blacks also commit crimes against Blacks than Whites do against Blacks by a factor of 5.98.

But if we're going to run those numbers, why not run White against White than Whites against Blacks (23.05 factor).

And White against Black as compared with White against Black of course is a factor of 1.

So ... follow up for you, why do Whites commit more crimes against Whites than anyone else?

So, the factors:

5.6397 times as many Black on White crimes as White on Black
5.98 times as many Black on Black crimes as White on Black
23.05 times as many White on White crimes as White on Black.




I am not sure why whites tend to commit more crimes against whites. Studies show that most races commit the most crimes against themselves. Probably chiefly because they are in close proximity.

The reason to run the white on blacks and vice versa is the narrative that whites are out to get blacks in the US today. This is untrue.

Here are facts you have not had answered to in this thread.

1. Blacks commit 22.4% of violent crime despite being only 13% of the population.

2. Blacks are 27 times more likely to commit a violent act against whites than whites are against blacks.

3. The chances of a black being killed is .00056% per year (using this years stats), but the chances of being a victim of a violent crime by blacks is 1.43% per year. That means an average black person is 2554 times more likely to be the victim of black violence than to be killed by the police.

4. More whites are killed than blacks by the police.




posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

So your answer is "because they do." A bit tautological but, hey, at least you answered.

1. Blacks have a 27.4 percent poverty rate despite being only 13% of the population.
1a. Blacks are 60% of the incarcerated population despite being only 13% of the population.
1b. Blacks are incarcerated at a rate almost 6 times that of Whites.

Why do you think Blacks committed 22.4 % of the violent crimes in 2012-2013?

2. No, they aren't. Blacks commit 5.64 times the crimes against Whites as Whites do against Blacks.

3. Your numbers are skewed. I've shown you why.

4. There are more 5 times more whites to be killed.

I'll be ignoring you from this point on. Crow about victory if you wish. There's nothing more to discuss.



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

So your answer is "because they do." A bit tautological but, hey, at least you answered.

1. Blacks have a 27.4 percent poverty rate despite being only 13% of the population.
1a. Blacks are 60% of the incarcerated population despite being only 13% of the population.
1b. Blacks are incarcerated at a rate almost 6 times that of Whites.

Why do you think Blacks committed 22.4 % of the violent crimes in 2012-2013?

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Blacks are actually 43% of the incarcerated population. But you are right they are incarcerated at about 6 times the rate of whites.

So we agree blacks tend to commit more violent crime.

There may be many reasons why they commit more violent crime, and that is a discussion that definitely needs to happen. I don't believe they were born that way, and anyone who does is a racists. I think we owe it to everyone to look into why this occurs. It could be culture, poverty, or any number of things. The point is they do commit more violent crime per capita, which means they do have more high intense interactions with police.


2. No, they aren't. Blacks commit 5.64 times the crimes against Whites as Whites do against Blacks.


I already did the calculation showing the 27 times more likely number to be true, but lets use your number. They are 5.64 times more likely to do this, and there are about one fifth as many blacks as whites. So we multiply the 5.64 by 5 to get an measure of what the number would be if there were equal blacks and whites, and we get 28. That is a little more than the 27 times I showed.


3. Your numbers are skewed. I've shown you why.


No you haven't. You have not once mentioned to me anything about the huge low probability of blacks being killed by police. 224 killed out of a population of over 40 million and the percent is .00056%. Show me why this is wrong. You also haven't mentioned anything about the chance of being a victim of violent criime from blacks to blacks. There were 955,800 violent crimes committed against blacks, and 62.2% were committed by blacks. That is 594,507 crimes. Compare that to the 224 killed by police. You have not addressed this once.

This is what the OP was about. Given the huge statistical unlikelyhood of a black being killed by police, why is there so much attention on it, especially compared to the much more likely chance of blacks being victimized by other blacks.


4. There are more 5 times more whites to be killed.


So now you admit proportionality matters, although you have fought against it this whole thread. Where was that when you were saying, "More whites receive welfare"? Of course there are more whites, that is why I brought it up as a direct response to your welfare quote, to get you to admit that proportionality matters.

The whole point of all of these stats was to show that given the fact that blacks are more likely to engage in violent crime, it is no wonder they have more violent interactions with police. Because of this, and the unbelievably small chance of a black being killed by police, why is there so much attention and validity being given to BLM? There narrative about cops going out of there way to kills scores of black people is false.


I'll be ignoring you from this point on. Crow about victory if you wish. There's nothing more to discuss.


Ok thats your choice. No hard feelings.



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Gryphon66


Yes Blacks commit crimes against Whites than Whites do against Blacks by a factor of 5.6397.

Blacks also commit crimes against Blacks than Whites do against Blacks by a factor of 5.98.

But if we're going to run those numbers, why not run White against White than Whites against Blacks (23.05 factor).

And White against Black as compared with White against Black of course is a factor of 1.

So ... follow up for you, why do Whites commit more crimes against Whites than anyone else?

So, the factors:

5.6397 times as many Black on White crimes as White on Black
5.98 times as many Black on Black crimes as White on Black
23.05 times as many White on White crimes as White on Black.




I am not sure why whites tend to commit more crimes against whites. Studies show that most races commit the most crimes against themselves. Probably chiefly because they are in close proximity.

The reason to run the white on blacks and vice versa is the narrative that whites are out to get blacks in the US today. This is untrue.

Here are facts you have not had answered to in this thread.

1. Blacks commit 22.4% of violent crime despite being only 13% of the population.

2. Blacks are 27 times more likely to commit a violent act against whites than whites are against blacks.

3. The chances of a black being killed is .00056% per year (using this years stats), but the chances of being a victim of a violent crime by blacks is 1.43% per year. That means an average black person is 2554 times more likely to be the victim of black violence than to be killed by the police.

4. More whites are killed than blacks by the police.



You can try to use logic and facts till you are blue in the face. If they don't like the numbers, they will claim the source is invalid. If it is an agreeable source, they will claim the data is too old. If the data is new, they will then say the source is bad. No matter what you do, you just won't convince some people. If they don't like your logic, they will change the topic.

It is pretty clear that he does not want to admit that blacks are disproportionately both the victims and perpetrators of violent crime. What makes your question about the numbers of blacks killed by police even more damning is that we are actually assuming those killed are innocent. Logically, we know the vast majority were probably justifiable. So if you take out the clear and cut cases, you are left with what... maybe 10 or so questionable deaths and that is probably being generous. So the odds of black person being killed by a rogue power hungry cop is about as common as hitting the lotto meanwhile the emergency rooms are bursting at the seems every weekend from random black on black violence.



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 11:05 PM
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Just an update... so the police are saying that this kid was targeted and basically executed to get back as his father who is a reported gang member. Father doesn't appear to be cooperating with police.

So when are we going to start holding the parents responsible? This isn't the first time that an innocent child was shot and killed because the parents were gang bangers. Aren't the parents just as responsible as the thug who pulled the trigger? At a minimum child endangerment?

Sick of this sh*t...

Nine Year Old Killed

Of course, today we had a 14 year old and a 15 year shot.

Five Shot Thursday

Yeah. Black Lives Matter.... sure.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated


I don't think you are getting the gist of the argument. One complaint is that blacks are herded into projects and tenements that are equal to the Japanese internment camps or modern day reservations, no education or cultural outlets, they are living with frustration, poverty guns and drugs and in that climate enough of them are going to kill themselves and each other to put a dent in the population. These areas do not even have police that uphold the laws making rounds and so the communities are not safe and do not feel safe. Why the heck should Al Sharpton or any other black man go anywhere and rally around that? I am not sure if you are trying to ignore the obvious or if you really think you have some kind of a point here. It's like the meme that's going around with the Twin Towers falling and the slogan NEVER FORGET printed underneath, right next to it is a black man with deep scars on his back and others hanging from trees and the slogan underneath reads GET OVER IT. Lots of people are from the GET OVER IT school of thought and they are usually descendants, sympathizers or families of the oppressors to begin with.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:51 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated


It is clever of you to use a title to deliberately agitate people of color. Way to get a jab in there. I laughed and thought about all the people who were going to be insulted. Fun to imagine ain't it. For the un-ejamacated anyway (correct spelling fyi) I suppose you arrived at the conclusion "black lives don't matter" after long and deep thoughts on the subject? I think it is effective at what you aimed to do with it - posit a question and offer your own viewpoint perfectly articulated but anyway, I beg to disagree with you. I think they DO matter and police should not start acting like they don't matter - regardless of what the criminals, black or white, are doing out there in the streets these days.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Sorry for my quipishness at the end of the day yesterday. I felt like we were merely pounding numbers and not getting anywhere.

1. We do know why there are differences in the crime statistics to some extent. This is simply not the great mystery it is made out to be. Is there a one-to-one causal factor? Nope, it's a constellation of economic, cultural and historical factors. I am glad to see you make the statement that it is not because "they were born this way." That is indeed racist. I agree that we need to deal with this as a society collectively, and stop this silliness claiming that "the Black community" is doing nothing, that Democrats have them befuddled, etc. etc. What are your recommendations?

2. Yes, I have. I have told you repeatedly that to focus on these crime statistics per capita population is useless. It makes "a statement" because of the considerable levels of difference between the sizes of the populations. I'll say it again though: the populations are not uniform nor homogeneous for the factor (violent crimes) that you are trying to account for! Not every member of either racial population commits crimes. Per capita statistics are meaningful when each potential member of the set (in this case, all Americans) have the an even chance to display the characteristic. (Violent crime.) The majority of BOTH POPULATIONS (American Blacks, American Whites) do not commit violent crimes. That's why it makes no real sense to toss in the general population factors, unless someone wants to take advantage of the fact of the vast numerical disparity between the two. Now, agree or disagree, don't claim that I haven't fully explained this again.

3. See per capita comment.

4. Per capita measures or population density matters because there are more whites available to be killed. Sadly, every member of the population DOES have that chance. They do NOT have the chance to commit violent crimes, because most of us don't. I should have said population size is a factor SOMETIMES; you have a point. I have never stated that what you are calling "proportionality" never makes a difference (if I have, quote me and I'll apologize) only that it wasn't applicable in your analysis of the crime statistics we were debating about.

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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Way to snipe.

You can't answer to the facts presented to you directly (repeatedly) so you try to sideswipe by replying to another poster.

I have offered facts and figures ad nauseam above. Post after post. You haven't disputed even one of them with facts.

I demonstrated repeatedly that you are at best twisting facts to serve your agenda (as in your list of Dixiecrats/Democrats.)

You're merely lying: I stated above repeatedly that Black Americans commit crimes at higher rates. I provided the numbers and the calculations. I'd suggest that you actually read, but I believe you have. You're on an agenda, and the facts don't fit it.

No one here has "assumed" that people killed by police are innocent.

As usual in your posts, you cite nothing, you refer to nothing, and you provide anecdotal if not questionable evidence that proves nothing.

/shrug

Relevant Question you Conveniently Skipped Over: Why do you never use the pronoun "we" when referring to the Black community?
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66


Sorry for my quipishness at the end of the day yesterday. I felt like we were merely pounding numbers and not getting anywhere.


No problem at all. Despite our disagreements I enjoy discussing this with you.


1. We do know why there are differences in the crime statistics to some extent. This is simply not the great mystery it is made out to be. Is there a one-to-one causal factor? Nope, it's a constellation of economic, cultural and historical factors. I am glad to see you make the statement that it is not because "they were born this way." That is indeed racist. I agree that we need to deal with this as a society collectively, and stop this silliness claiming that "the Black community" is doing nothing, that Democrats have them befuddled, etc. etc. What are your recommendations?


I have several suggestions. The first is all sides need to admit they are not perfect, and to try to see things from the others perspective. I think that we need to stop the victimization narrative that certain groups of people are owed something.

There are many other things. One of the main things would be to improve the economy for all, and that would mean changing our corrupt political system. At the very least we need to talk openly and honestly about these problems, something I feel BLM isn't doing.



2. Yes, I have. I have told you repeatedly that to focus on these crime statistics per capita population is useless. It makes "a statement" because of the considerable levels of difference between the sizes of the populations. I'll say it again though: the populations are not uniform nor homogeneous for the factor (violent crimes) that you are trying to account for! Not every member of either racial population commits crimes. Per capita statistics are meaningful when each potential member of the set (in this case, all Americans) have the an even chance to display the characteristic. (Violent crime.) The majority of BOTH POPULATIONS (American Blacks, American Whites) do not commit violent crimes. That's why it makes no real sense to toss in the general population factors, unless someone wants to take advantage of the fact of the vast numerical disparity between the two. Now, agree or disagree, don't claim that I haven't fully explained this again.

3. See per capita comment.

4. Per capita measures or population density matters because there are more whites available to be killed. Sadly, every member of the population DOES have that chance. They do NOT have the chance to commit violent crimes, because most of us don't. I should have said population size is a factor SOMETIMES; you have a point. I have never stated that what you are calling "proportionality" never makes a difference (if I have, quote me and I'll apologize) only that it wasn't applicable in your analysis of the crime statistics we were debating about.


Several points on this.

1. These numbers still show that out of the black community, there is a far greater chance of violence. I agree 100% that this is not the entire community doing this, oly a small percent. However, the reason this is relevant is because we are discussing BLM and the idea that blacks are being killed at great numbers by police. Most of this crime is occuring in certain neighborhoods, which means the propensity for violence in these neighborhoods is even greater in them. If the police know there is an immense amount of violence in these neighborhoods, there is going to be more of a chance of a violent interaction.

2. The per capita issue has nothing to do with the fat that blacks have only a .00056% of being killed by police in a year. That is 224 out of over 40 million. This is a victim stat, and we know exactly how many have died, 224. So this is an incredibly small problem. Also the chance of blacks having a violent crime committed against them by another black is much larger at like 1.43%. This also is a victim stat which you seem to be ok with.

3. Just because people can chose not to be criminals doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at these numbers. They still indicate the community on a wholes likelihood to commit violence. We need to be honest about these numbers and take them into account when trying to understand things like police violence and interaction with the black community.

Given all of this, why is there such a push by media and academics etc. to glorify black lives matter? It seems like there is more to the agenda than just reporting facts.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Edumakated

Way to snipe.

You can't answer to the facts presented to you directly (repeatedly) so you try to sideswipe by replying to another poster.

I have offered facts and figures ad nauseam above. Post after post. You haven't disputed even one of them with facts.

I demonstrated repeatedly that you are at best twisting facts to serve your agenda (as in your list of Dixiecrats/Democrats.)

You're merely lying: I stated above repeatedly that Black Americans commit crimes at higher rates. I provided the numbers and the calculations. I'd suggest that you actually read, but I believe you have. You're on an agenda, and the facts don't fit it.

No one here has "assumed" that people killed by police are innocent.

As usual in your posts, you cite nothing, you refer to nothing, and you provide anecdotal if not questionable evidence that proves nothing.

/shrug

Relevant Question you Conveniently Skipped Over: Why do you never use the pronoun "we" when referring to the Black community?


Lighten up, Francis. Don't take things so personally. It is just a debate / discussion. I'd probably have a coffee with you if I were still in Atlanta. I don't expect everyone to agree / disagree.

You chose not to accept the facts and logic I presented to you. That is your choice. We have a disagreement. It isn't the end of the world. You accuse me of sniping and you then ask me some stupid question about "using we vs black community." If you go back to some of my posts, I say "we" and in some I say black community. What you are trying to do is subtlety accuse me of being white simply because I disagree with your progressive positions.

Back to discussion...

As for why whites kill whites and blacks kill blacks it is because most violent crime involves people who know each other. It really is that simple. However, the point is the rate at which these crimes occur within these communities. Violent crime is much less of an issue in the white community as it is in the black community. FACT.

Now we can argue till the cows come home about why this is the case. Progressives and blacks tend to believe it is because of some ongoing legacy of slavery and all these other outside forces.

I tend to believe it is due to the breakdown of the family which was caused and encouraged by liberal policies that encouraged single parenthood within the black community to the point that now its is practically accepted as a cultural norm among the lower classes. I base my position on the fact that racism was exponentially worse 50 years ago than it is now, but yet the black community still maintained high marriage rates. Job opportunities were worse. Blacks were not in the same positions of power politically either yet every major city is practically run by liberal blacks now. School resources were worse. So despite things being worse by every measure, you didn't see the same rates of cultural dysfunction that you see today which logically means you cannot blame racism as the main contributor.

The only major thing that changed during that period was the out of wedlock birth rate exploded from around 20% in 1960 to around 75% today. Liberal welfare policies incentivized men to stay out of the home along with other policies that encouraged concentrated poverty like public housing. While correlation does not necessarily equal causation, it is pretty clear there is a very high relationship to what is happening today and the breakdown of the family.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

If you are from Georgia, you probably heard the phrase: "Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, would it sweetie?"

Spare me the gratuitous BS personal comments; you're really not fooling anyone here.

You didn't present any facts or logic. You presented ridiculous half-truths and partisan nonsense.

Yes, we do have a disagreement, but it isn't a question of my opinion versus yours, it's a matter of established history and records versus insipid drivel that I've demonstrated to be false.

I'm not sure why you are so threatened by the observation that you, as a Black person, never refer to the Black community as "we." One of the reasons, from your posts, is that you seem to hold yourself above the condescending garbage you spout about the American Black community. As I said earlier, I find that saddening. /shrug

If "most violent crimes happen between people who know each other" why is the Black on White crime rate supposedly so high?

Guess that blows your theory, eh?

You absolutely ignored the discussion that Grambler and I had aside from trying to chime in with meaningless dreck. The statistics we were discussing above show clearly that White On White violence is overwhelmingly greater than any of the other categories.

You've proven to me and everyone else here that you aren't dealing honestly, or with facts, and honestly your opinions and repetition of right-wing talking points bores me to tears.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: chiefsmom
That is one of the main things that make me angry, whenever I see Sharpton or Jackson on television. Why aren't they in downtown Chicago? Detroit? LA?

You know, where they are really needed? Hell, they could bring a camera crew, so they could have the media coverage those whores live for.

I have said this before and I'll say again whatever you think of Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton they do show up in those places mentioned, just because you don't see it covered by your media doesn't mean they weren't present most of you here do not look at AA media outlets which is ok, but you can't say things like that when you simply don't know.
OK, fine. Let's talk about 'black-on-black' violence.
www.vox.com...
Black-on-black crime widely ignored, say African American activists
news.yahoo.com...
Yeah and about that "Black on Black" Crime Thing...


"Out with guns, in with jobs," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said to me in his trademark gravelly voice. "We're going to march in 20 cities" hard hit by the gun violence that has made the streets of America a bigger killing field for young black men in the United States than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been for U.S. troops.
www.dailykos.com...

Rev. Al Sharpton Addresses Violence in Visit to Chicago



The Rev. Al Sharpton made a trip to Chicago Sunday to speak about the devastating violence that has gripped the city.
Sharpton, a Baptist minister and civil rights activist, attended the 11 a.m. service at New Mount Pilgrim Church in the West Garfield Park neighborhood, where he was scheduled to preach a "special message" about violence


Source: www.nbcchicago.com...

Follow us: @nbcchicago on Twitter | nbcchicago on Facebook

And I am no fanboy of either men but pls before trotting played out comments that get you lots of love how about finding out if what you are saying is really true or not.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Edumakated

If you are from Georgia, you probably heard the phrase: "Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, would it sweetie?"

Spare me the gratuitous BS personal comments; you're really not fooling anyone here.

You didn't present any facts or logic. You presented ridiculous half-truths and partisan nonsense.

Yes, we do have a disagreement, but it isn't a question of my opinion versus yours, it's a matter of established history and records versus insipid drivel that I've demonstrated to be false.

I'm not sure why you are so threatened by the observation that you, as a Black person, never refer to the Black community as "we." One of the reasons, from your posts, is that you seem to hold yourself above the condescending garbage you spout about the American Black community. As I said earlier, I find that saddening. /shrug

If "most violent crimes happen between people who know each other" why is the Black on White crime rate supposedly so high?

Guess that blows your theory, eh?

You absolutely ignored the discussion that Grambler and I had aside from trying to chime in with meaningless dreck. The statistics we were discussing above show clearly that White On White violence is overwhelmingly greater than any of the other categories.

You've proven to me and everyone else here that you aren't dealing honestly, or with facts, and honestly your opinions and repetition of right-wing talking points bores me to tears.


Don't be so full of yourself. First off, when someone either presents facts that you disagree with you ignore, obfuscate, or change topic. You simply chose to ignore what information was given to you. Remember your quip about a study from 2006 being too old because it showed an economic reason that voting patterns in the south changed? Or how I showed you that only 2 Dixiecrats formally changed parties. Your only response was to say some died or retired which totally misses the point and further supports my point that the dixiecrats didn't change from Democrat to Republican.

Or how Grambler basically just destroyed you with the FBI data. Let's even look at your comments in the last post...



"If most violent crimes happen between people who know each other" why is the Black on White crime rate supposedly so high?


The fact that the majority of violent crime is intraracial does not negate the fact that blacks are far more likely to commit a crime against whites than whites against blacks.



The statistics we were discussing above show clearly that White On White violence is overwhelmingly greater than any of the other categories.


Of course it is because whites make up the majority of the population. However, proportionately, this is not the case. You try to conveniently ignore proportionately will in it suites your position and use it in others. Here is what you are doing.

There are 10 blacks. 5 commit crimes. So 50% of blacks commit crimes. There are 100 whites. 10 commit crimes. So 10% of whites. You are saying that 10 whites is greater than 5 blacks, therefore, crime is just as big of a factor among whites. Seriously, you cannot be this dense. Grambler keeps pointing this out to you and continue to ignore.

Last, I don't really care what you think of me and not defensive about your "we vs black community question". If you go back and look at my posts, sometimes I say we, sometimes I say black community. I just called you to the carpet on it because since you can't challenge my position, you do what most do and play the you must be white card as if all blacks have to have the same positions politically. here is the newsflash, not all blacks think a like.

I tried to be nice, but now I am done. This one has run its course. See you in another thread.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 04:14 PM
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My take on most opponents of Blacklivesmatter movement is that they could give a good gwaddam about Blacks killing Blacks, for them Black on Black crime is simply a form of distraction from the issue of police and judicial misconduct which by a lot of comments on this and other threads of this nature they overtly or covertly approve of and make up the most ridiculous excuses for, these folks are inline with FOX news?? or Breitbart ..on this issue , you almost never see them comment when a good cop spoke out and gets punished for his efforts matter of fact they get the same treatment as Snowden.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

What about those of us who's issue with it is that it distracts from the real issues with police misconduct and the things that allow it, which is far greater than and transcends the issue of cop on black violence?

Cop on black violence is simply a symptom of a far greater problem involving police and judicial corruption.

It's just plain stupid to make a separate movement for a single symptom of the real problem, which is police and judicial corruption and their system of protecting their own. Which they'll do irregardless of your skin color.

Not to mention Black Lives Matter makes for a terrible slogan if the issue is police misconduct...
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Spider879

What about those of us who's issue with it is that it distracts from the real issues with police misconduct and the things that allow it, which is far greater than and transcends the issue of cop on black violence?

Cop on black violence is simply a symptom of a far greater problem involving police and judicial corruption.

It's just plain stupid to make a separate movement for a single symptom of the real problem, which is police and judicial corruption and their system of protecting their own. Which they'll do irregardless of your skin color.

I guess it is because the issues associated with it while not unique to Black folks they bore the brunt of it in a state of mind that some hold that Black is synonymous with poor and poor equates with powerlessness hence they make for better target.

It's a long vid but for purpose of this discussion pls FF to time 12:24 to see what I am talking about, but by all means watch the whole interview when you have time.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

The problem is if attacked as a black issue instead of a corruption issue it will lead to inappropriate and race based fixes for a problem far beyond race. What is the goal here to switch blacks to the protected class instead of cops, what possible solution to the police corruption problem can there possibly be approaching it as a black rights issue?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Spider879

The problem is if attacked as a black issue instead of a corruption issue it will lead to inappropriate and race based fixes for a problem far beyond race. What is the goal here to switch blacks to the protected class instead of cops, what possible solution to the police corruption problem can there possibly be approaching it as a black rights issue?

I hear you, but still we can't just gloss over the part that is tainted by race the stop and frisk numbers are overwhelming, so off course the folks most likely to be affected by this is gonna make the first move on it and hence the labeling, but I should add, the fact that it is called Blacklivesmatter do not mean that white folks and others cannot be involved which a lot of them are so despite the name the movement is in no way exclusive.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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It's not the exclusivity that's the problem, it's the improper focus. Such a focus can only lead to horrible band-aid solutions aimed at a symptom rather than the cause. It will make the problem more convoluted not better.




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