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CDC Scientist Admits Data of Vaccines and Autism Was Trashed - HUGE

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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have no idea how you have concluded that. I am saying: The dosage makes the poison.

So I ask again: At what dose is aluminium a neurotoxin?


People don't just get exposed to aluminum through vaccines.

You can be exposed to aluminum from all kinds of things. Antacids, for one, and if you've ever been pregnant, you understand the heartburn. I was told to stick to Tums or Zantac, but perhaps socioeconomic and education barriers leave some women without a clear understanding on why those are the recommended antacids.

Aluminum can be ingested and absorbed through antiperspirants, cookware, breath mints, etc...


EDIT: So to answer your question again, I don't know what level is safe for ALL people. What's safe for one person may not be safe for another.
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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm not saying anything of the sort. Where are we seeing a problem of people with dangerous levels of these substances being given the marginal amount to kill them? Don't invent nonsensical hypothetical situations around what I said.



I am talking about neurological effects, not death.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm talking about where this was ever an issue to begin with. Do you not know how dosage numbers are obtained? Do you think that tests aren't done to get a baseline on what the background level of these substances are in a normal, healthy adult? In an unwell person? In a child? In the elderly? I ask all these questions because there are regulations required by the FDA to be adhered to for all of those demographics lest the pharmaceutical company gets shutdown.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye
Even if there was an agreed amount of aluminum that is deemed safe, the fact that our continued exposure to aluminum over such a protracted period of time is accumulative, deems any additional amount to be risky.

Why industry propaganda and political interference cannot disguise the inevitable role played by human exposure to aluminum in neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's disease


Aluminum is established as a neurotoxin, although the basis for its toxicity is unknown. It recently has been shown to alter the function of the blood-brain barrier (BBB), which regulates exchanges between the central nervous system (CNS) and peripheral circulation. The BBB owes its unique properties to the integrity of the cell membranes that comprise it. Aluminum affects some of the membrane-like functions of the BBB. It increases the rate of transmembrane diffusion and selectively changes saturable transport systems without disrupting the integrity of the membranes or altering CNS hemodynamics. Such alterations in the access to the brain of nutrients, hormones, toxins, and drugs could be the basis of CNS dysfunction. Aluminum is capable of altering membrane function at the BBB; many of its effects on the CNS as well as peripheral tissues can be explained by its actions as a membrane toxin.




Abstract Once biologically available aluminum bypasses gastrointestinal and blood–brain barriers, this environmentally-abundant neurotoxin has an exceedingly high affinity for the large pyramidal neurons of the human brain hippocampus. This same anatomical region of the brain is also targeted by the earliest evidence of Alzheimer's disease (AD) neuropathology. The mechanism for the selective targeting and transport of aluminum into the hippocampus of the human brain is not well understood. In an effort to improve our understanding of a pathological aluminum entry system into the brain, this study examined the aluminum content of 8 arteries that supply blood to the hippocampus, including the aorta and several cerebral arteries. In contrast to age-matched controls, in AD patients we found a gradient of increasing aluminum concentration from the aorta to the posterior cerebral artery that supplies blood to the hippocampus. Primary cultures of human brain endothelial cells were found to have an extremely high affinity for aluminum when compared to other types of brain cells. Together, these results suggest for the first time that endothelial cells that line the cerebral vasculature may have biochemical attributes conducive to binding and targeting aluminum to selective anatomical regions of the brain, such as the hippocampus, with potential downstream pro-inflammatory and pathogenic consequences.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I understand there is a baseline but I also understand that it doesn't apply to everyone and aluminum toxicity is difficult to test for.

Would we know about it if it was an issue? That's the question, at hand, and the reason I am troubled by this quote from Thompson:


"I shoulder that the CDC has put the research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we’ve missed ten years of research, because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They’re not doing what they should be doing. They are afraid to look for things that might be associated."


That was the reason for my initial comment on aluminum.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Even if there was an agreed amount of aluminum that is deemed safe, the fact that our continued exposure to aluminum over such a protracted period of time is accumulative, deems any additional amount to be risky.

Why industry propaganda and political interference cannot disguise the inevitable role played by human exposure to aluminum in neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's disease



Yes, exactly the point I am trying to make. There is no biological use for aluminum in healthy people. We don't 'need' it -- other than as vaccine adjuvants. But we do store it, it is difficult to test the levels of those stores, and IF the CDC isn't busting their butt studying the effects of aluminum exposure prior to vaccination -- on purpose and out of fear of controversy -- then that's a problem. Thompson's quote (in my prior comment) is unsettling.


EDIT: And the effects of aluminum exposure AFTER vaccination, too, as you pointed out. Thank you. It's a great point.
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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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What's so amazing it's that how time and time again throughout history, like minded psychopaths also find a way to link up to the point where no sane people are around to speak out when something of this nature happens. This instance of people throwing out info that will cause kids to get autism being just one of many over the past decades



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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Meh. Things such as Autism are very very unknown. I mean that there is so much that we don't know it's hard to tell whats speculation or truth. I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of crap caused autism but I wouldn't be if it didn't.

What I'm really focused on here is the fact that they just trashed information. The CDC'S purpose is to protect our health. Well this doesn't seem like 'that'.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

So when you say "aluminium is a neurotoxin", you can't actually back up the claim as to what dose. Instead, you make vague speculations unsupported by evidence, even though you claim "Science agrees with that". That's very dishonest of you.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: GetHyped

This is what the FDA says is safe:

"The FDA study found that the maximum amount of aluminum an infant could be exposed to over the first year of life would be 4.225 milligrams (mg), based on the recommended schedule of vaccines. Federal Regulations for biological products (including vaccines) limit the amount of aluminum in the recommended individual dose of biological products, including vaccines, to not more than 0.85-1.25 mg. For example, the amount of aluminum in the hepatitis B vaccine given at birth is 0.25 mg."

I am saying that for kids who are exposed to significant levels of aluminum elsewhere -- perhaps those aren't safe levels.

As I understand it, aluminum toxicity is generally suspected when overt symptoms present. I can't imagine that happens at the same exact level in every person.





More baseless speculation. Science isn't about wild guesses.

For someone that claims to not be anti-vaccine, you sure do work hard to spread misinformation and not bother to inform yourself of the science behind them.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: MotherMayEye

So when you say "aluminium is a neurotoxin", you can't actually back up the claim as to what dose. Instead, you make vague speculations unsupported by evidence, even though you claim "Science agrees with that". That's very dishonest of you.


No, I think pretending that the same 'DOSE' of aluminum will effect every single person the same exact way -- regardless of their prior- or post- exposure to aluminum -- is dishonest.


***EDIT: Please note I said DOSE.



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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

No one claims that everyone has the same physiology, but to say that we can't come up with safe doses within reasonable margins of error is just plain stupid.

What's the safe dose of water?

"Everyone is different! We can't come up with a safe dose! It's all dangerous!!!".
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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: GetHyped

This is what the FDA says is safe:

"The FDA study found that the maximum amount of aluminum an infant could be exposed to over the first year of life would be 4.225 milligrams (mg), based on the recommended schedule of vaccines. Federal Regulations for biological products (including vaccines) limit the amount of aluminum in the recommended individual dose of biological products, including vaccines, to not more than 0.85-1.25 mg. For example, the amount of aluminum in the hepatitis B vaccine given at birth is 0.25 mg."

I am saying that for kids who are exposed to significant levels of aluminum elsewhere -- perhaps those aren't safe levels.

As I understand it, aluminum toxicity is generally suspected when overt symptoms present. I can't imagine that happens at the same exact level in every person.





More baseless speculation. Science isn't about wild guesses.

For someone that claims to not be anti-vaccine, you sure do work hard to spread misinformation and not bother to inform yourself of the science behind them.


No, I claimed that science agrees that aluminum is a neurotoxin and that is true. I also said Thompson better be wrong and the CDC is not half-assing their studies on aluminum for fear of controversy.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
No, I claimed that science agrees that aluminum is a neurotoxin and that is true.


Except you keep conveniently neglecting the DOSE. Either you STILL don't understand the concept of dose making the poison or you're simply happy to spread ignorance and misinformation in order to further your agenda.
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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: MotherMayEye

No one claims that everyone has the same physiology, but to say that we can't come up with safe doses within reasonable margins of error is just plain stupid.

What's the safe dose of water?

"Everyone is different! We can't come up with a safe dose! It's all dangerous!!!".



You cannot compare water to aluminum. There are ongoing studies of the effects of aluminum on the brain. There are many studies on the effects of aluminum that call for long term studies to be done. Science doesn't even claim to have all the answers with regard to the toxic effects of aluminum.

When people call my reasonable thoughts stupid, that's my cue to go.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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I just about had a heart attack.... Both of my young sons have at one time displayed "tics". One has since grown out of them but the other is still showing signs of mild tics. I just thought that a lot of children went through this type of phase?can show reply to: Realtruth



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye
All metals cause disease with excess. The pink elephant in the room regarding Aluminum, is that there is no known physiologic need that exists for aluminum.

Yet because of its atomic size and electric charge (0.051 nm and 3+, respectively), it is sometimes a competitive inhibitor of several essential elements with similar characteristics, causing an increased affinity for the metal by our blood stream.

This causes approximately 95% of an aluminum load to bind to our transferrin and albumin intravascularly. A good portion is eliminated by the kidneys but 40 to 75% can be retained in our bodies, depending on age, kidney function and general overall health.

According to ARUP labs:

"The reference range of Al in the blood of healthy individuals is generally considered to be below 10 mcg/L [...]
Earlier, 100 mcg/L of considered to be a reasonable "limit" below which Aluminum neurotoxicity was not likely to occur. However since the late 1980's [health problems have been found] down to 50 mcg/L."

Both the CDC and the EPA identifies aluminum as an abundant and unavoidable toxin, that will produce negative effects, depending on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.

The levels of aluminum in our bodies is accumulative, and if significant aluminum load exceeds the body's excretory capacity, the excess is deposited in various tissues, including bone, brain, liver, heart, spleen, and muscle. This accumulation causes morbidity and mortality through various mechanisms; according to medical research.

So why they would add it to anything is what I would question. It appears there is so much of it, that to add it to everything, is just another way to make a buck at our expense, and make it impossible for us to take legal action, because we can't prove the killer dose came from their product.

Those clever little ducklings.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

I'm having one of those bad alternative news days, the kind where you just can't take any more evidence that we are all screwed.

This story literally makes me sick.

I am feeling rather blessed, too, that my kids didn't get autism when they were children.

I'm sure some of the parents out there who see this who have autistic kids are spitting nails.

What a world this is, folks. What a world.



posted on Nov, 4 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
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I think the point is that protocol was not followed because the conclusions were controversial. This is one example that we know about. Are there others we don't know about?


There are/have been quite a few more.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Thu Jun 4, 2015 10:06am EDT

By Brendan Pierson

Two former Merck & Co Inc scientists accusing the drugmaker of falsifying tests of its exclusive mumps vaccine said in a court filing on Monday that Merck is refusing to respond to questions about the efficacy of the vaccine.

Attorneys at Constantine Cannon, who represent the scientists, asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Lynne Sitarski of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to compel Merck to respond to their discovery request, which asks the company to give the efficacy of the vaccine as a percentage.
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www.reuters.com...

And...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M
Posted: 05/11/2010 5:12 am EDT

A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.

Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC's claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. Thorsen's 2003 Danish study reported a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines. His study concluded that mercury could therefore not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic.

His study has long been criticized as fraudulent since it failed to disclose that the increase was an artifact of new mandates requiring, for the first time, that autism cases be reported on the national registry. This new law and the opening of a clinic dedicated to autism treatment in Copenhagen accounted for the sudden rise in reported cases rather than, as Thorsen seemed to suggest, the removal of mercury from vaccines. Despite this obvious chicanery, CDC has long touted the study as the principal proof that mercury-laced vaccines are safe for infants and young children. Mainstream media, particularly the New York Times, has relied on this study as the basis for its public assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury -- a potent neurotoxin -- at concentrations hundreds of times over the U.S. safety limits.
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www.huffingtonpost.com...

Among many others.




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