Swedes revolt against refugees. 9 refugee camps burned to the ground.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Bluesma

Didn't matter. They said they couldn't take the chance of the guys crying racism, even for a moment, it would create chaos. My boss was obligated to give them the gas.

It is clear the squeaky wheel gets the grease. People have to start squeaking a lot louder.

If the local government and the police are afraid of a little chaos, then call in the local news teams, everybody set their phones to instant upload video sites, and create the chaos needed to bring law and order back to your community.

Get them on video around the world explaining why they are not protecting the citizens of their community, and not holding immigrants to the same laws and standards as the native citizens of their country. Get law students in the country to file lawsuits against them. Become a bigger embarrassment than a charge of racism.

A complication in all of that is that it isn't JUST the authorities that are afraid, it is everyone else.
They grew up listening to the horrors that racism caused and seeing the destruction left around them.

They don't want to seem like they are being racist either. There is social pressure not to say anything about this, because you will look racist. My boss, who I could tell was holding in a lot of anger from such events, told hardly anyone about this.
Only in moments of intimate disclosure (when you get a sense that the other person will understand and not jump to a racist accusation) do people whisper to a friend what happened to them. And they grind their teeth, and say "what you can do? " Any action or word might illicite the shout that you are a nazi.

This is partly why I confront people who are extremely left wing and are quick to judge any hint of complaint as racist bigotry- they encourage the arabs to riot for nothing and anything, they discourage the police from having any motivation to do their job.

This is why the refugees coming in here are in great danger, as much as the inhabitants- they walked into a silent but deadly powder keg.

Here there is nothing being said about the refugee crisis being threatening in any way (contrary to the press I am seeing form the UK and US). The taboo has everyone in a gag... which in my opinion is making things worse.

This is why I often say, it is not so simple as good guys and bad guys, simply an ineffective government, or bigotted masses.

Thank you, THIS ^

a reply to: Bluesma
This give much validity to my signature.

Dual lessons of life: 1. You never allow anyone to define you. 2. You teach people how to treat you.

You are not what someone says you are. You are who you know yourself to be.

I love animals and I go out of my way, and sometimes place myself in precarious situations, to aide an animal that needs help or protecting. Yet I would not blink an eye before taking one down that placed any person in harms way.

Circumstances sometimes makes bad, unpleasant actions necessary. Some may disagree and will label me the flavor of the day, if it makes them feel better or superior. I wish no ill-will towards them for their opinion. They can think what they want, can even call me what they want, as long as I am right with myself, it doesn't matter.

I have come to accept the labels as just another part of the unfortunate circumstances that have brought us to this place. A place where our governments have turned their backs on us and have thrown us out like last week's trash.

Nobody is going to win in this game. What victories any group thinks they have won, they haven't; and their joy will be fleeting. Our egos drive us like lemmings right off the cliff, into an ocean with no land in sight. In the end we either die in the fall, or we drown.

Intelligence has no power over ego and primordial characteristic behaviors. Deep down we are just animals after all.

They are causing problems in Australia too, interesting read: clashdaily.com...

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Sounds like we are similar that way. Too much effort at trying to be "nice" and make a show of compassion for others, you can end up with huge messes for lack of just action earlier.

Animals, kids...even adults, it is the same thing in that sense.

Ahhhhh....Sweden, the country of peace...

See what I did there?

originally posted by: real_one


Ahhhhh....Sweden, the country of peace...

See what I did there?

Those Swedes are just trying to make them feel at home.

a reply to: Bluesma when Europeans have grown up with two world wars, some of us tend to get a bit edgy when we see so many are embracing media propaganda from right wing facist and xenophobic sources and engaging in ill treatment of refugees. The ones who know our European history are not so quick to embrace facist ideology and are wary of it and its potential. Maybe being in France you don't see it the same way, but twice the world has had to come to save the French from facist and nationalistic ideologies. It would be nice to see the French stand up to it instead of rolling over when the chips are down.

This is what you get if you let Brussels speak for the entire EU . and not put up a referendum for the people to decide if we want this or not . No we shuffle it your throats and the only thing we have to do is swallow ..

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Bluesma when Europeans have grown up with two world wars, some of us tend to get a bit edgy when we see so many are embracing media propaganda from right wing facist and xenophobic sources and engaging in ill treatment of refugees. The ones who know our European history are not so quick to embrace facist ideology and are wary of it and its potential. Maybe being in France you don't see it the same way, but twice the world has had to come to save the French from facist and nationalistic ideologies. It would be nice to see the French stand up to it instead of rolling over when the chips are down.

I haven't witnessed seeing anyone embracing media propaganda from right wing fascists here?

Like I explained, there is NO mention of criticism, in the media, of the current wave of refugees coming in, nor the already long standing culture clashes and problems with the arab population already here. It is culturally, socially taboo. The french problem so far has been the opposite of listening to right wing sources! Hell their "right wing" is your left wing...

The left wing is what tells them to lie down, because otherwise they are being mean, racist and inhumane.

Now, as much as we could fault them for that, consider what I said about a mass PTSD - they have deep guilt!
They collaborated with the Nazi's!
Imagine it this way - a person once accidently kills a child in an attempt to discipline. They suffer guilt, shame, and deep seated fear of it happening again. So when they have a child in their care again, what do you think they are going to do?? They will be so afraid of making the mistake that the kid will walk all over them and they will never ever do as much as say no to the child.


That is what this particular culture is going through. Americans, totally ignorant of what they are going through, what they feel, and what the circumstances are, do not at all help the situation by adding to their guilt, so they lay down harder.

Pfft. It doesn't matter now. I think it is too late. They lay down for the socialist guilt tripping too long and it's all going to blow up in their faces.

No one will admit to supporting the only voice in the wilderness, the Front National and Marine LePen... everyone does the "correct" thing, to call her a nazi and disparage their party. But I know personally many people that have let me in on their secret - that they may vote for her. She has a real chance, because you can only be a nice carpet for so long before you have to take action to save your life.

Better there than here.

a reply to: bastion
Oh, you mean like sharia law in parts of Birmingham. Ah, but that's alright because it's only the muslims policing themselves.
If you don't believe that or the MSM just come to Birmingham and look for yourself. Just don't come if your are a woman not prepared to wear a burkah or a man wearing any sign that is not Islamic.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: misskat1

I find this absolutely disgusting, and I hope that everyone involved in these arson incidents is found, bought to court, and convicted to the fullest extent of the law.

Really?

The only thing wrong is that they're not focusing on ridding themselves of such a corrupt government and deporting most of the refugees, and taking back their cities that are no go zones, in addition, withdrawing from EU (you can always make agreements with a few like minded countries later about travel or free movement of your citizens, but this is enough on that nazi control).

They have every single right to defend their nation from this incredible takeover via US/Soros and the likes, and thats what is going on.

The government, instead of listening to their people and these desperate acts, and serving and protecting their country and people, has now made the new locations a matter of secrecy. So far they've been empty. Because they are not stopping in their destruction of Sweden which used to be one best countries in the world and obviously is hated by TPB, and are selling their people out, these acts are 100% understandable.

It may take alot more than this for European nations to free themselves.

Since all the governments sold them out, the people have to stand up strong. I hope they don't do the violence first, but do as Iceland did, grab your pitchforks, frying pans and surround your public offices until its over and the people have won. And then jail for the treasonous ones amongst their elected employee government.

a reply to: Bluesma

No one will admit to supporting the only voice in the wilderness, the Front National and Marine LePen... everyone does the "correct" thing, to call her a nazi and disparage their party. But I know personally many people that have let me in on their secret - that they may vote for her. She has a real chance, because you can only be a nice carpet for so long before you have to take action to save your life.

So the French will surrender again to fascism and expect the world to come and save their liberty and fraternity again? When will they learn? how many times will they need the world to come and save them to protect their much loved freedoms. Europeans should fight facist ideology wherever it rears its ugly head or just not expect the rest of the world to lay down their lives to save these spineless French
Secretly voting for fascists they deserve everything they get and no help from the rest of the world

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: misskat1

They left the Swedish people with no options. I would be revolting too.

So are you condoning burning down refugee camps, would you join in? They were left with an option to not burn down refugee camps, most sane people would choose that option i hope.

Some people on this website scare me more than any refugee. Condoning all sorts of nastiness because they hate people they don't know. No one studied European 20th century history.

you are scared people here? ..try to be a female at sweden

muslimstatistics.wordpress.com... ulation/

www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

a reply to: awareness10
Well its not only happening in the US , watch this guy taunt some German bystander ..

Now I just looked at this video.. As this is in German , but if he thinks that it's save to speak out such language in Germany creating more hatred within germany.

Translation : The Islam will come to Germany if want this or not, You're daughter will wear a headscarf and his son a beard.your daughter will marry a Berber. You Germans will not get any children, well maybe one or two .
We will make seven or eight.

And we take four woman of yours and you can have a dog .
That's not our fault but your own fault because you invaded and plundered our countries and now driving your Mercedes and operating your digital camera .
That's how Allah will invade your country by birth of boomer children , that's rule number one and second we wil marry your daughters that will wear headscarf

I mean this guy really plays with fire , if we going to see this more often then , I don't know Europe could be heading to some explosive fascists movements and when that starts to happen , well we all know what comes next..

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Bluesma

No one will admit to supporting the only voice in the wilderness, the Front National and Marine LePen... everyone does the "correct" thing, to call her a nazi and disparage their party. But I know personally many people that have let me in on their secret - that they may vote for her. She has a real chance, because you can only be a nice carpet for so long before you have to take action to save your life.

So the French will surrender again to fascism and expect the world to come and save their liberty and fraternity again? When will they learn? how many times will they need the world to come and save them to protect their much loved freedoms. Europeans should fight facist ideology wherever it rears its ugly head or just not expect the rest of the world to lay down their lives to save these spineless French

So you thin k the french will become a victim of the Front National?
Hm. Interesting hypothesis. I will have to let that sink in, I am not sure how that works. It's worth considering, at least.

But they didn't have the same problem in the last war - unless you mean to say they had been spineless in letting the Jews come in and terrorize them, and that is what caused them to collaborate with the germans? Even I have a little resistance to embracing that notion right away.

I think the racist propaganda is more present in the US, frankly. The stuff I see said here on ATS about muslims? It would shock any french person terribly. I have never seen anything like that here.

I guess the americans can afford to be outrageously extreme left or right on this issue, they are far away. I feel that either extreme is not a good idea.

But anyway. Okay. Point taken.

a reply to: Drinking

Only from right wing press, not the actual official EU sources they claim to come from (BASIC FACT: - religion isn't recorded in crime unless it was a motivation for the crime as a general rule in EU policing stats - hence the claim is a complete lie)


- a basic google scrape shows those alleged stats all originate from a pisspoor analysis by some blogger here who is clearly neither a member of the EU or possesses any mathematical skill: muslimstatistics.wordpress.com... ulation/ (not saying there isn't an issue with 'grooming gangs' but there's no excuse f making stats up to fit a predetermined answer as the writer of the article did).

I have a maths degree and journalism degree and currenrthly applying for PhD Neuroscience, my brain works fine thanks (apart from the brain injury but I still achieved two degrees despite that.)

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: bastion
Oh, you mean like sharia law in parts of Birmingham. Ah, but that's alright because it's only the muslims policing themselves.
If you don't believe that or the MSM just come to Birmingham and look for yourself. Just don't come if your are a woman not prepared to wear a burkah or a man wearing any sign that is not Islamic.

Complete lie, I pass through four times a month on the way to London, nonse of that is true

The Fox news 'journalist' who invented that myth is currently awaiting jail after he pretended he was a CIA terror analysist so he could get the Fox job- keep up:

www.washingtonpost.com... 0/15/eb1b7818-7345-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html

a reply to: Bluesma
Thanks for your posts in this thread and your unique perspective from the trenches so to speak.

I didn't realize how different the mindset was over there but the way you explain it makes a LOT of sense given the history over the last century.

This thread has disturbed me more than most here. I get the feeling many felt the exact same way during the buildup to WW2.

History does repeat, sadly.
Add this thought from another site I read today.

There are a multitude of fuses affixed to dozens of powderkegs and little kids with matches are on the loose.

It could happen at any time. One military miscue. One assassination. One violent act that stirs the world. And the dominoes will topple, setting off fireworks not seen on this planet since 1939 – 1945. I can see it all very clearly.

Zerohedge

I feel like I can see it coming clear as day also.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Bluesma when Europeans have grown up with two world wars, some of us tend to get a bit edgy when we see so many are embracing media propaganda from right wing facist and xenophobic sources and engaging in ill treatment of refugees. The ones who know our European history are not so quick to embrace facist ideology and are wary of it and its potential. Maybe being in France you don't see it the same way, but twice the world has had to come to save the French from facist and nationalistic ideologies. It would be nice to see the French stand up to it instead of rolling over when the chips are down.

That may all be true, but anything can be used for good or bad. Some people used it for bad but that doesn't mean a person can't be proud of the achievements of their ancestors. By which I mean those achievements which made this planet a better place. What have those refugees contributed?

wow, so many desire for violence. Are you serious? When has that EVER helped?

1 + 1 = 2
violence + violence = violenceviolence

When do we get to zero then if it always just add?

violence + compassion = ?

They could buy china 3-d printers and start cracking umm i mean printing houses, ha!

And also migrants are just people. If you were in those shoes, can you say for sure that you would not do or be the same? I sincerely doubt it!
We are just the lucky ones with somehow stable environment, but for how long will that last? newsflash...guess what, nothing last forever!


It is always easy to point fingers, until you are not the target!