Are Multi-Partner Marriages Gonna Be a Thing?

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2

originally posted by: Bluesma

Your freedom ends where another's begins.

Yeah, like how we choose not to kidnap, rape and murder people, but how some psychopaths do...

Or how don't steal from each other, as sociopaths do...

No, we have laws to prevent people from taking justice into their own hands (mob rule.)

And likewise, we have laws to prevent the family from perverting into something unhealthy!

All those examples above refer to transgressing the freedom of another, (except the last one).
They should all have laws against them and be enforced. If a man forces a woman to marry him (or vice versa) against their will, then that too, should be stopped by the law.

But if three people all want to enter into such an agreement and living situation, that is their choice, and it does not impede the will of anyone.

originally posted by: ATODASO

cool, i wasn't using it in the religious sense, but the ideological one.

No, my view is focussed largely on common sense and what I know to be right in my heart. The facts just support my case. I advise people to read on those subjects because I feel they need to.

if you have any info you could direct us to, it would be helpful in supporting your case.

What ideological belief system might that be? I myself couldn't even tell you. I'm pretty open minded and often question things I've assumed to be true. My beliefs often change. Except for a belief that what is right and natural matters in this world. That always seemed true.

LOL DIDDO!!!

a reply to: Bluesma

Well, leaving a pile of illegal drugs in a school cafeteria isn't impeding on anyone's will, so that's okay?

a reply to: Night Star

It would be my honour to marry you, Night Star

I've always been a romantic soul too.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Bluesma

Well, leaving a pile of illegal drugs in a school cafeteria isn't impeding on anyone's will, so that's okay?

We know children aren't allowed the same rights as adults. I am talking adults.

What are you suggesting?

That knowing it is possible to have more than one spouse would be tempting normally "ethically correct" people to do it??? LOL!

And straight people might be tempted into homosexuality if they know it is socially acceptable too....

just curious, how many of you people vehemently against this have ever actually had a genuine conversation with someone in a poly relationship? because i'm seeing a LOT of unquestioned assumption and ingrained "moral" choices being touted as intellectual viewpoints and it's quite honestly a little bit sad and a lot ignorant.
I'd be happy to wax lyrical at great length about how my current [polygamous, lesbian] relationship is the most healthy, honest, loving and communicative situation i've ever been in and i could tell you about the ways my brains were exploded and the things i learned when i stepped outside the monogamous paradigm at the beginning of the year...
but something tells me it will fall on deaf ears.
i mean, no skin off my nose, it's not like anyone's disapproval has stopped us being the greatest thing on earth thus far ;3

a reply to: continuousThunder

People are most vehemently against things, especially when they do not take the time to try and consider them.

I am reminded of Aristotle's quote: "It is the mark of an educated mine to contemplate an idea without accepting it".

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2

originally posted by: Bluesma

Your freedom ends where another's begins.

Yeah, like how we choose not to kidnap, rape and murder people, but how some psychopaths do...

Or how don't steal from each other, as sociopaths do...

No, we have laws to prevent people from taking justice into their own hands (mob rule.)

And likewise, we have laws to prevent the family from perverting into something unhealthy!

Morals, feelings, and common sense are not socially shared, they are personal.

To say society is moral is ignorant. Society is a collection of individuals all with their own ideas, morals, and feelings, and everything else that an individual possesses.

One size does not fit all.

And as far as your claim on laws, there is no law that says people cannot live together, and love each other in any combination of numbers.

Just because you disagree with something that you have no control over, does not make it right or wrong. It is simply something that is. Freedom of choice and free will allows for this, and it does not mean you must engage in such behavior, should you choose not to. But you should know better than to infringe on other people's free will as well.

In fact, right or wrong seems to be wholly personal as well.

originally posted by: Cygnis
a reply to: continuousThunder

People are most vehemently against things, especially when they do not take the time to try and consider them.

I think we are sometimes afraid of ourselves, first and foremost!

I realized late in life that I had problems with jealousy when I was with a man, primarily because I was afraid of my own ability to remain loyal if faced with an opportunity - so it was natural to assume he was the same.
Over time and opportunities arising, I found there isn't that much dreaded loss of control. It just isn't there. Like the dreaded closet monster when you're a kid.

We considered seriously swinging, even went to a couple clubs to check it out. I was scared to death. Found out I just have absolutely no inclination- even if my mind has embraced the idea, it is just not in my body or my personality or something. I can walk amongst them without discomfort now.

So I suspect it might be so with other people, who fear their inner animal could be a fierce beast just waiting for someone to leave the gate open...

a reply to: Bluesma

You really don't understand where I'm coming from. For one, I just proved your logic faulty. If something has a harmful effect to children then it's not okay. Multiple adults living together, and having sex together, is not a healthy environment for children to live in. As for why, there is such a thing as escalation. Even here on ATS I have read threads about people who started getting into porn, then illegal porn and now find themselves attracted to children. That's how perversion works; step by step. Serial killers often start with torturing small animals, then breaking laws, then hurting people, then hurting and killing them. People hooked on coc aine most likely started with pot. And no, of course not everyone who starts down a dark path goes all the way. But some do. Somewhere between a dangerous curiosity and a horrible extreme, there needs to be a boundary.

A 1993 British study found the incidence of child abuse was 33 times higher in a household where the mother was living with an unrelated boyfriend. And you don't think that adding more adults in a home won't greatly increase the amount of child abuse?

As for your comment about straight people being tempted into sex if it was socially acceptable, it almost sounds like you're putting words in my mouth now. I made a comment about how cultural outlooks change and that it was no excuse for the choices we make. (And to keep you from misunderstanding me again, I am pro-gay rights.)

It seems like a lot of people in favour of this are overlooking the dark side of human nature. People are not automatically civilized. Some kids may be born with more gentle and faithful personalities than others, but if you were every in a public school playground you'd see how barbaric normal children's behaviour can be. Everyone has a dark side (or devil on your shoulder.) For example, homicidal fantasies are disturbingly common.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

You've "proven" nothing.

My parents were a threesome for a while. They had group sex regularly. I walked in on some homosexual sex and my dad moved out for a while to live with two other homosexual men as an experiment. All this when I was under the age of eight and I knew everything as it happened.

Guess what? Kissed a girl and didn't feel anything. Never did it again.
Went to places of group sex, and had no inclination to join in.
A relationship of three just seems way too complicated for me- I have tons of other interests I'd rather put energy into.

Your "logic" is based upon your imagination, not experience.


ETA- it was the early '70's- they also smoked pot and dropped acid a lot. Guess what? I don't do drugs.
Kids most often achieve their sense of individuating from their parents by becoming the opposite of their parents.
That is why you have patterns of generational changes swinging back and forth.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Bluesma

As for your comment about straight people being tempted into sex if it was socially acceptable, it almost sounds like you're putting words in my mouth now. I made a comment about how cultural outlooks change and that it was no excuse for the choices we make.

Okay. I don't exactly understand the point, because I am not getting the usage of the word "excuse" in this context then.

I guess I took it to mean the excuse would be "because it was available" - as if having the option available would tempt people into it, who otherwise wouldn't be. (the drugs being a "temptation" in your metaphor).

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
Sure, and societies where marrying women as young as 13 is normal, or even children for that matter! There are societies where human beings eat each other! Human sacrifices, etc. You can find exceptions to anything! I am talking about what's normal!

Lumping cannibalism in with polygamy is a reducto ad absurdum. The two are wholly unrelated.

Who makes the determination as to what is 'normal'? You?

If two, or more, adults want to enter into a marriage contract why is this a concern of yours?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

really some of you are not actually thinking with grey matter,stop watching gangbang porn video's.
there are several alternatives to increase the women in china,having multiple partners does not cure the problem their will still not be enough ladies and this is fact as birth rates remain the same,
so as most of you here are intelligent how about suggesting real cures to the chinese problem.

even if other nations sent them 1000 orphans each as long as they where cared for and allowed to choose their own partner when they came of age,would be a far better solution to china's problem.
cloning is another
syrian refugee females is another
this op is about the chinese problem not just polygamy .

ats used to be a great think tank come on guys n girls

(that is if you read the source even)

originally posted by: stuthealien
there are several alternatives to increase the women in china...

The points I am making have nothing to do with China. Try to follow along and leave your strawmen elsewhere.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: stuthealien
there are several alternatives to increase the women in china...

The points I am making have nothing to do with China.

thats my point entirely ,

originally posted by: stuthealien
thats my point entirely ,

Who cares? The people I was engaging in conversation were not discussing China. If you want to interject yourself into that conversation then respond to the points we/I were making.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

they made a analogy that was all,and i did not interject this is a open forum so deal with the alternative views.
i would suggest your not here to discuss china's problem just polygamy as it satisfies your own sexual desires.

originally posted by: stuthealien
she made a analogy that was all...

The people I was having an exchange with were not discussing China.

...and i did not interject this is a open forum so deal with the alternative views.

I said you interjected yourself into a conversation with a non sequitur, China was not relevant to what I or the people I was speaking to or our conversation.

i would suggest your not here to discuss china's problem just polygamy as it satisfies your own sexual desires.

I am not interested in discussing China's issues. I was speaking to people about polygamy in a historical context.

I expect more hilarious spousal abuse videos to flood LL from China moreso than now if this were to take place.