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A conference organised by the hardline Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir is underway for Muslim groups to discuss what they say has been unjustified Government intervention within their community to deal with terrorism.
The conference, part of a campaign entitled Innocent Until Proven Muslim, is underway in Bankstown in south-west Sydney.
The group's media spokesman Uthman Badar told the conference the Muslim community has been what he described as violated in a bid to deal with the threat of terrorism.
Mr Badar said the level of hysteria and intimidation towards the Australian Muslim community has reached new levels with women and children now being targeted.
He said attempts at de-radicalisation are nothing more than an agenda of forced assimilation justified by exaggerated fears of a security threat.
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
That's what I am trying to figure out. What exactly is your purpose for immigrating if you have no intention of assimilating?
Indeed, peace-loving moderate Muslims have nothing to fear from Australians
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sublimecraft
Exactly. If you want to be a Muslim be a Muslim. But be an australian Muslim. If you want to be a Middle East Muslim ... live in the ME. If you choose terrorism .. sufer.
Australia is racist as hell when it comes to Muslims or anyone who wears a turban on their head, I know this from personal experience. Even normal everyday Australians harbour this deep seeded hate which I think is mainly fueled by sensationalist media. It's like they cannot tell the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist, it's just all the same thing to them.
but instead what those particular individuals can do is go and find a culture more suited to their way of life - like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Afghanistan.
That has got to be one of the most narrow minded statements i have ever read....do you really believe what you just wrote ?
Why does everyone have to be the same and behave the same way? What is the threshold for how Australian a person must be to live in Australia? Can they wear their own clothes or build their own religious buildings?
they can just not come here to begin with if they are not willing to enjoy our freedoms and assimilate 100% into our culture
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
That's what I am trying to figure out. What exactly is your purpose for immigrating if you have no intention of assimilating?
There are only two alternatives. You assimilate or you change Australia to be like the country you left.
If they admit they have no intention on assimilating, that is worrisome.
they can build their personal architecture to keep close to their nostalgic customs - as long as those customs do not result in eroding ours or harming anyone - aka: assimilating
I really can't make it more simple than that - unless I'm mistaken you appear to be reading my words, ignoring some of them and putting the rest into a pre-conceived narrative you have about this whole topic?
I have quite a few Muslim friends here in Australia (and abroad) & we have had some very "colourful" conversations about this as well as many other related topics. So I'll say here what I say to them and any other Muslim in my company who engages me in debate - "transparency is the key to your freedom so you have nothing to fear from us, unless you are hiding something from us, so if you will not assimilate into Australian culture 100%, you will be viewed as an invader - it's your call. We are not America and you will do well to review the Cronulla riots and how Australians deal with extremist Muslims when the law enforcement cannot - watch the documentary "Bra Boys" and don't ever mistake our kindness for weakness" Do I make myself clear - you will be given a fair go but if you circumvent, disrespect or take advantage of that for nefarious purposes....then suffer the consequences. Indeed, peace-loving moderate Muslims have nothing to fear from Australians - it's the extremists in your midst that will bring you harm when they hide among you spreading their hate behind closed doors resulting in the authorities treating you all like extremists......until you prove otherwise. Sad, but true.
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
That's what I am trying to figure out. What exactly is your purpose for immigrating if you have no intention of assimilating?
There are only two alternatives. You assimilate or you change Australia to be like the country you left.
If they admit they have no intention on assimilating, that is worrisome.
It's an interesting question, did those who colonised Australia assimilate into the Aboriginal culture - no, of course they didn't because they believed theirs to be superior.