Stunning Warning: War Coming to Europe

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: tony9802

Would you PLEASE stop posting rhetorical nonsense featuring that thrice cursed Gellar woman? She is a racist and a bigot, and her OPINIONS are not based on fact, but on her psychopathology. As sources go, she is about as reliable as a lead life jacket.

I guess I can try to go "easier" on the articles I choose to post..I think your comment is confusing though, let me see if I can clear up a couple of things:

Opposing Islam is not racist action. I believe Gellar is simply analyzing and opposing an enormous exodus of Islamic faith practioners being escorted by EU members into Europe. That's all she's doing there.

I don't believe she is psychopathological: I believe she is aware and acknowledges that there is a conflict currently between various faiths, this includes the judaic faith.

There are plenty of xtian arabs..there are plenty of xtian africans.. but they are not the ones welcomed into the exodus..Those welcomed in the exodus are principally muslim, and generally, people from muslims nations have a very distinct way of conducting, oraganizing, life, law, and culture, which is frequently at odds with a generally xtian democratic occident.



Do not worry though, I too become very weary of posting articles that are automatically slandered merely because they criticize the dangers of radical muslim predetermination. The caliphate is here(?), I am sorry that so many of you are unable to gleam that right straight in the eye..


YOU DO NOT WANT MUSLIMS TO TAKE CHARGE OF A NORTHERN COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Everything that you said in this post is true. The western world and The United States in particular has fanned the flames and moved the Islamic world into action. We made these extremist states both by brutal opposition and sometimes by direct support.

Now, they see us (and rightly so) as a clear and present danger to their way of life, and now they are becoming a threat to ours. It is written into their canon to do so, a prerequisite of the dogma; their leaders need little provocation to justify goading their population into risking their lives internally within their culture, and externally we give them plenty of reason. I still maintain that it isn't going to come down to much of a fight and (this is where I will offend both sides) if it comes down to it, I for one can't qualify which way of life is better or worse, more moral or less, and even further, none of that really matters anyway when it comes down to brass tacks. I would prefer that the way of life that I know is maintained but in the end. I sincerely believe that if behavior trends on stay on their respective current courses, Islam will dominate for the reasons that I have already stated and some others that I have not. What we have done and what we continue to do is wrong, but the Islamists do intend to dominate Western culture one way or another and they are taking steps to do so; and in many of these countries Islamists ARE the leadership. It is already done.

They fight to maintain their culture and I will fight to maintain mine because I have more to lose than gain from such a societal shift, and I believe the same holds true for my children and grandchildren. I don't care if we provoked them. I will accept the moral failing but I won't roll over and shrug my shoulders and say "Ah well, we deserve it then" because of it. Compassion is a fine thing, and acknowledging the wrongs that we have done is even more difficult and commendable but blinding yourself to the threat because of it is stupid.

As an aside, while there are certainly Islamists and extremists within the Syrian refugees it is difficult to say how many, only time will tell. I do think that the number of males vs females and children is... very strange. That is not the usual demographic of a fleeing population. They take their families, they don't leave them behind undefended in a dangerous war-torn country if they are just trying to get out. It is difficult to say what is going on here but it is extremely foolish to not take note.

originally posted by: skywatcher44
a reply to: anticitizen

No I do not think so % wise it will not change as much as the Doomgloomers are forcasting.

www.muslimpopulation.com...

I think this would have to be looked at again in 2016, after the Mass exodus from Africa, Syria and the ME crossing into Europe!

originally posted by: anticitizen

originally posted by: skywatcher44
a reply to: anticitizen

No I do not think so % wise it will not change as much as the Doomgloomers are forcasting.

www.muslimpopulation.com...

one of the sources in your quote says muslim population increases 50% over 20 years.
add the decline of christians in europe.
add the massive muslim invasion aka war refugees aka economic refugees that's just in the beginning.

so -> europe will be islamic soon.

Well 50% increase in a Lets say UK 5% ish Muslim population will give you 7.5% muslim population ( Its not happening )
or if Germany has imported a million Muslims that is 1.25% of the population.
So Europe will not be Muslim soon.
Look again the European countries with a larger Muslim population, only five historically over 10%.
www.muslimpopulation.com...
Angry Nationalism will be more of a problem than the integration of mostly thankful to have escaped Muslims. Peace..
( I realize these are 2014 statistics )

Turkey is hosting more than 1.9 million Syrian refugees, Turkey is a 99% Muslim country . Iraq, facing its own armed conflict, is hosting about 250,000 Syrians.

More than 1.1 million refugees are in Lebanon. Many have taken up residence there in communities’ abandoned buildings, sheds, spare rooms, garages, and in tent settlements on vacant land. Conditions are often crowded and unsanitary. Even so, families struggle to pay rent for these spaces.

About 630,000 refugees have settled in Jordan, mostly with host families or in rented accommodations. About 80,000 live in Za’atari, a camp near the northern border with Syria, and about 23,700 live in another camp, Azraq.
Source.
www.worldvision.org...

Dey duck r juuubs.....

Unfortunately for Geller, us Europeans are little bit more civilised and possess the rudementary understanding of mathematics to see this is a load of nonsense hyperbole that has no basis in reality and isn't something we're going to go to war over.

Some of us even have a basic grasp of history and know Europe and Islam have peacefully co-existed for nearly 1,500 years and taking in a few refugees is going to make little to no difference to life whatsoever.

Be a scared, hate filled, racist if you want, but I'm going to make myself a good cup of (Muslim) tea, partake in (Muslim) morris dancing and have a (Muslim) curry.

originally posted by: bastion
Dey duck r juuubs.....

Unfortunately for Geller, us Europeans are little bit more civilised and possess the rudementary understanding of mathematics to see this is a load of nonsense hyperbole that has no basis in reality and isn't something we're going to go to war over.

Some of us even have a basic grasp of history and know Europe and Islam have peacefully co-existed for nearly 1,500 years and taking in a few refugees is going to make little to no difference to life whatsoever.

Be a scared, hate filled, racist if you want, but I'm going to make myself a good cup of (Muslim) tea, partake in (Muslim) morris dancing and have a (Muslim) curry.

while you enjoy your brutal muslim style slaughtered food from a man that doesn't let his wife and daughter go to work because women are only second class humans in this culture...

you don't live in problem zones where muslims are the majority and set up their own laws, encourage their own culture instead if adapting, don't give a damn about learning the indigenous language and not even police trying to get there because of fear of clashes, do you?

I live in a northern town and you are telling me you hardly see any "foreigners". When you say "foreigners" what do you mean? Bradford is a northern town and in 2011 nearly a quarter of the population were muslim. Apparently from 2001 to 2011 this jumped 80%. So we are now nearly 5 years on from then so I would say 30% is probably more realistic now given higher birth rates amongst muslims. So that would be 1 in 3 in a northern town and yet you don't see any. There are many villages in the north of England so maybe you are lucky enough to live in one of those where everything is quintessentially British. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk... eport/

This report www.huffingtonpost.co.uk... shows that in Manchester the muslim population is 14% again Manchester is a northern city. Certainly Rochdale, Oldham and Ashton-under-lyne have many different religions and cultures living together, again northern cities.
a reply to: woogleuk

a reply to: tony9802

Just a few percent of the total population. How on earth are they going to start a war. Most of them are just like anyone else and dont want any trouble.

Your article is off its chomp

Of the 494.7 million EU citizens, 224.5 million are Roman Catholic, 115 million are atheist, 57.8 million are protestant, 39 million are Orthodox, 15.9 million are Muslim and 1.5 million are Jewish.

islamineurope.blogspot.co.uk...

originally posted by: anticitizen

originally posted by: bastion
Dey duck r juuubs.....

Unfortunately for Geller, us Europeans are little bit more civilised and possess the rudementary understanding of mathematics to see this is a load of nonsense hyperbole that has no basis in reality and isn't something we're going to go to war over.

Some of us even have a basic grasp of history and know Europe and Islam have peacefully co-existed for nearly 1,500 years and taking in a few refugees is going to make little to no difference to life whatsoever.

Be a scared, hate filled, racist if you want, but I'm going to make myself a good cup of (Muslim) tea, partake in (Muslim) morris dancing and have a (Muslim) curry.

while you enjoy your brutal muslim style slaughtered food from a man that doesn't let his wife and daughter go to work because women are only second class humans in this culture...

you don't live in problem zones where muslims are the majority and set up their own laws, encourage their own culture instead if adapting, don't give a damn about learning the indigenous language and not even police trying to get there because of fear of clashes, do you?

I boycott halal for those reasons and think it's an area that should be made illegal (the right to practice religion should not extend to the right to hurt other, human or animal).

I live in a predominantly Muslim area of my City and don't see any of that, sadly there probably are a very small minority who do that but all the ones I've met don't. They live within the law, adapt and don't want any Sharia nonsense as most fled those countries to be able to enjoy a freedom. There's no real tensions here on either side that I've noticed.

When these inexcusable cases have occurred and been uncovered they've been reviewed and changed swiftly.

I agree there are areas where the kind of inclusion I see here hasn't taken place but the blame lies on both sides not just the Muslim population (i.e failure to learn a language is inexcusable as it prevents you from engaging with society) - it's hard to integrate into areas that offer little chance and cold reception, which is where the more extreme cases you point out tend to occur.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: anticitizen

originally posted by: bastion
Dey duck r juuubs.....

Unfortunately for Geller, us Europeans are little bit more civilised and possess the rudementary understanding of mathematics to see this is a load of nonsense hyperbole that has no basis in reality and isn't something we're going to go to war over.

Some of us even have a basic grasp of history and know Europe and Islam have peacefully co-existed for nearly 1,500 years and taking in a few refugees is going to make little to no difference to life whatsoever.

Be a scared, hate filled, racist if you want, but I'm going to make myself a good cup of (Muslim) tea, partake in (Muslim) morris dancing and have a (Muslim) curry.

while you enjoy your brutal muslim style slaughtered food from a man that doesn't let his wife and daughter go to work because women are only second class humans in this culture...

you don't live in problem zones where muslims are the majority and set up their own laws, encourage their own culture instead if adapting, don't give a damn about learning the indigenous language and not even police trying to get there because of fear of clashes, do you?

I boycott halal for those reasons and think it's an area that should be made illegal (the right to practice religion should not extend to the right to hurt other, human or animal).

I live in a predominantly Muslim area of my City and don't see any of that, sadly there probably are a very small minority who do that but all the ones I've met don't. They live within the law, adapt and don't want any Sharia nonsense as most fled those countries to be able to enjoy a freedom. There's no real tensions here on either side that I've noticed.

When these inexcusable cases have occurred and been uncovered they've been reviewed and changed swiftly.

I agree there are areas where the kind of inclusion I see here hasn't taken place but the blame lies on both sides not just the Muslim population (i.e failure to learn a language is inexcusable as it prevents you from engaging with society) - it's hard to integrate into areas that offer little chance and cold reception, which is where the more extreme cases you point out tend to occur.

i too am living in a city with a muslim population that grows quicker than the original population.
they are still a minority but..
most crimes are comitted by this muslim minority.
girls have most problems with offensive muslims, although a minority.
i won't even imagine how life here will be if they are the majority!
also there are places where they have their own infrastructure, so they won't need to learn our language.

i'm sick of the mentality that we have to adapt.
it's THEM who need to change or go!
simple as that.

if they commit a crime, if they still don't speak the native language after 2 years, if they don't eat western meat, they failed the integration test and have to go!

Exactly what they wont do... Respect. a reply to: woogleuk

a reply to: anticitizen

Do you have any evidence to back that up as it'd go against ONS stats here in the UK. I'm not saying 'host countries' need to change, just make basic efforts to help people learn the ropes in a new country (i.e invite new neighbors round for a brew instead of throwing bricks through their windows - common sense stuff).

I agree with the last paragraph apart from 'western meat' - does this cover vegetarians, allergies, or people of other religious slaughter like Kosher or only Muslim? Also what even is Western meat, in the UK eating horse and various offal ispretty much unheard of but common in France, every country has their own culinary dishes

I think 'air strip one' will be the last to go under, starved into submission, being an island is not that good at times, proven twice in the last century.
With to-days weapons, it would not take long, only a weeks worth of food in storage...

a reply to: bastion
that's the point: i don't have to make any efforts! muslims, who come to live here, have.
but if you don't force them, they won't do anything.

this isn't a problem of immigrants as most people from european or american countries know how to assimilate.
this is a muslim problem.
we give and give; and they take and take. that has to stop!

we even weaken our ethics and laws for them to let them butcher their animals in their barbarian way and we let them cover their women etc. just to please them.
time to re-think about tolerance if it's only one-sided!

a reply to: anxiouswens

By foreigners I mean anyone whose first language isn't British-English (or other native languages like Welsh).

Skin colour or religion doesn't mean one isn't British....some Muslims have been here since their ancestors fought for us in various wars, I welcome them more than some Eastern Europeans.

a reply to: tony9802

Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester, etc etc are breeding grounds for jihadist idiots in my own personal view.

Pamela Gellar is about as good a source as Giorgio A. Tsoukalos from "Ancient Aliens".

She's a shock jock who blames everything on Muslims. Why she hasn't been charged with hate crimes yet is beyond me.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: anxiouswens

By foreigners I mean anyone whose first language isn't British-English (or other native languages like Welsh).

What a ridiculous comment. MANY foreigners speak English. If you're that much of a Xenophobe, you're typically a large part of what is contributing towards hatred of foreigners.

I do see the issue people have with people from the Muslim world.

When we go to their countries, we have to conform to their rules and practices, few exceptions made. Even Princess Diana got into trouble for pointing her FEET in the wrong direction at a meeting in Saudi Arabia.

However, when they come to our countries, they make all sort of claims on religious freedoms and expect us to change laws to conform to THEM.

If you want to go live in a different country, then expect to follow their laws and customs.

a reply to: ketsuko

If the young immigrants were culturally disposed toward creating a vibrant economy, their own countries would not be third world pits; if they were in the up and coming countries, they would not be leaving in droves. Like it or not, not all cultures are equal.

You left out how western nations are taking up all their resources not to mention also starting wars in those nations to get those resources.

You have to assume the immigrants will have the education and skills and willingness to add to your economy and be able to create that wonderful future you envision.

Start checking into those nations they are coming from many Muslim nations do have decent educational systems.

Why aren't the young Muslims in France or the UK proving to be boons to their economies?

How do you know they aren't?