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non-self is always here and everywhere, I know it is not different from me, I am non-I right now...
I am sorry but we will not agree here, because I am a firm believer that Buddhist or Zen and other masters were telling the truth.
After that point, you can explore what you want with even more insight into the experiences.
So just because you had a state of pure unaltered consciouseness doesn't mean you found truth.
originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Yes, I read it. The point is helping can happen even if there is no helper. Or it doesn't. Being concerned about your close ones well being can happen or not even without a self.
originally posted by: UniFinity
We are disagreeing about the final goal of spiritualist, which is only the absolute and nothing else. No relativity, No I, no non I - but ONE. I AM is not there any more, there are no experiences, doer, etc...complete dissolution or absorption.
What you say is true. But what you are not saying is also true, and is missing from your experience.
For instance you don't say anything about prana, karama, reincarnation or other non material "things". You have no direct experience of them probably. Hey, it ok, I don't ether, for now. Except prana is not a mystery to me and I can feel it.
They are not imaginary and are true and they exist
Clear in understanding and even in experience. But you seem not to believe me and it is ok
But this all comes down to knowing yourself and these things are apart of all of us. And if you are missing this knowledge and experience than you do not know yourself as well as you think.
But actually uniting with absolute it totally another matter.
Do you think that they experienced DE and that is it?
know my self in all aspects, this is spirituality. Nothing more and nothing less.
Spirituality is not just about DE