IS in Egypt claimed to have shot down the Russian plane that crashed in the Sinai

Rocket 'attack' on UK tour jet: Pilot with 189 passengers dodged missile above Sharm El Sheikh with just 'seconds to spare from disaster'

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CNN reporting Black Boxes affirm bomb on plane. Bomb was in cargo, next to the fuel line.

a reply to: angeldoll

Biggest load of crap I've seen CNN report in awhile. The FDR wouldn't confirm a bomb, it would show a sudden end to the recording. It certainly wouldn't point to a location if it was

I don't understand how they're coming out with this so fast that it was a bomb. It hasn't even been a week. It will take a long time to put the pieces together and analyze the crash site. I get they (UK/USA) heard some "chatter" when ISIS communication was surveillanced but that's not proof. Couldn't it just be them (ISIS) talking about it to trick people into thinking they took it down?

Also, if the USA is repeatedly saying Russia for the most part is not targeting ISIS, why would ISIS be so keen to take down a Russian plane vs. a plane filled with citizens from a coalition country that IS targeting them? Seems there's a lot of British citizens there in Egypt vacationing, why not target a plane filled with British citizens vs. a country that's not really targeting ISIS as per the USA? Ide think ISIS would be more upset at the people targeting them vs. not targeting them, or is Russia really targeting ISIS but the USA is refusing to admit it?

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Rocket 'attack' on UK tour jet: Pilot with 189 passengers dodged missile above Sharm El Sheikh with just 'seconds to spare from disaster'

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It's worth pointing out for those that don't click the link that this wasn't a terrorist attack, the rocket was attributed to careless missile tests by the Egyptian military. Additionally the aircraft was on approach rather than at cruising altitude out of reach of many missile systems. Not really relevant to this thread.

TASS, this morning, is reporting that Russian officials are not, as is often thought, from Moscow.

It turns out that they are from Missouri and they want some sort of convincing that what is on the recorders is proof of an explosion.

tass.ru...

MOSCOW, November 6. /TASS/. The Russian side so far has no evidence confirming that the crash of the Russian plane in Egypt was caused by an explosion onboard, a source in the Russian mission at the special commission of the Egyptian aviation authorities probing into the crash said on Friday.
"Russian specialists will request the French investigators and the Egyptian commission to provide confirmation of the onboard explosion identification," the source said. "As of now, we can speak only about certain noises recorded by the cockpit voice recorder."
"It is too early to say that the nature of these noises is identified, moreover, to say that they indicate an explosion," the source said.
"We have no such data. We will ask the French and the Egyptians to provide concrete proof of their theories," he said.

What I want to know is last week there were reports of the pilot requesting a landing ! Why would they lie ?

dang... that's the 2nd thread closed about the 'noise' heard on the black-box recordings


from the OP of one of those threads (I am not going to read another 4 pages of tripe to find out if anyone has addressed the proper question....

"...I have to ask how poor was the airport security if the bomb was allowed on board?..."

the fact is, airport security is conducted by a handful of multi-national security contractors/providers...

It is entirely likely that IF a device was snuck aboard the Russian Flight... it came to get into the baggage area because there are many secret supply & transport activities underway all the time via the drug trade operators...
the bomb might not have been handled as a bomb but just another drug shipment that the clandestine drug kingpins pay huge amounts to maintain

a pair of insider, baggage handlers or a executive type made arrangements for a 'package' to be stashed aboard that flight----but nobody knew (except the perp) that it was not 10 kilos of coke but a bomb that was being transported...

now... either the CIA or other black-ops planted the package in a false flag blaming IS
or else IS itself had somehow wormed it's way into the clandestine drug transport system for smuggling dope into Russia (under false pretenses)


was the black-ops drug smuggling operation hacked by ISIS and a bomb was substituted for a duffle-bag of dope?
or was the black-ops just conducting a false-flag

the USA & UK jumping all over the (very early) bomb hypothesis leads me to suspect the Feds are trying to create a diversion from themselves....
what say ya'll

originally posted by: St Udio
the USA & UK jumping all over the (very early) bomb hypothesis leads me to suspect the Feds are trying to create a diversion from themselves....
what say ya'll

I say, you just gotta love the Russians for taking this so calmly ... it's admirable, to say the least. If the US had been like this, on 9/11 ... then we'd be looking at a different world.

Hope the Russians have the strength to keep this posture up ... as it's admirable.

a reply to: St Udio

The airport security was really poor. Apparently it was common for people to pay off the security staff with small amounts of money, to avoid security examination of their luggage. I don't think it would have been difficult at all for a baggage handler to put something extra on the plane.

www.dailymail.co.uk... rt-safety-Sharm.html

Dale Parkyn, 47, from Harrogate, paid up earlier this year with his wife Joanne and said: 'We walked right through the security gates and security procedure, straight through the airport, avoided all the queues, and then he put the case on the conveyor belt and the girl checked us in. At no point did my luggage go through any scanner. When I think now it was bizarre.

He told Sky News: 'At the time it was quite amusing that for us, for £20, we'd avoided all the queues.

For what it is worth: (parentheses mine)

www.bbc.com...

Senior French aviation officials familiar with the investigation told the BBC's Chris Bockman in Toulouse (French aviation hub, birthplace of the Concorde) that they had ruled out the possibility that there was any fault or technical issue with the plane that led to the crash.

a reply to: bjarneorn

You cannot compare this to 9/11...

imo, the russians dont know wtf happened and they're pretending to be all calm on the outside. I bet inside the Kremlin is going berserk right now!

This whole situation is a disgrace!

a reply to: combatmaster

The Russians are being very cautious about this incident. I think they very much want it not to be a terrorist attack. They are already looking bad over this, not having reacted as quickly as the UK did to protect their citizens who are tourists. It's egg on their face. They are not used to having to be overly concerned about the public. It's a new thing for them. They are uncomfortable in the situation. lol.

The people going berserk, though, are the Egyptians. This incident is going to cost them a bundle. They are upset already with the western intelligence agencies who won't share detailed information with them. (Who would?) There is nothing they would like better than to wipe the insurgents from "Sinai Province" out and are hopping mad that the UK and the Americans are not showing them everything. The sad fact is that Egypt can't be trusted with top secret information on intelligence sources, etc. They are too leaky.

This is from the TASS news feed, Nov. 7:

tass.ru...

CAIRO, November 7. /TASS/. Egypt has urged all the countries to share information about the crash of Russian A321 plane over Sinai, the head of international commission looking into the causes for the crash, Ayman al-Muqaddam, told a news conference held in the Egyptian capital on Saturday.

"I have said that we are ready to accept all information related to the crash, from any side," al-Muqaddam said. "We need any information... And if any side is willing to provide us with this information, we have no objections."

"Reports have been appearing in the media and some of them referred to official intelligence sources that testify in favour of a certain scenario," he said. "In connection with this, the commission states that it has obtained neither any information nor evidence to the issue."

"We are urging the sources of these reports to provide us with comprehensive information which will enable us to accomplish the mission," al-Muqaddam said.

"Now the commission is examining all possible scenarios of the disaster," he went on to say. "But no conclusions have been drawn yet."

I have been watching TASS a lot because I think it will be one of the first news outlets to get word of test results from swabs of the debris being conducted in Moscow.

Here are comments made by the chairman of the crash investigation committee, Ayman al-Muqaddam. These concern the sound heard at the end of the audio recording.

www.theguardian.com...

Chairman of the crash investigation committee, Ayman al-Muqaddam, says a noise can be heard in the last second of the cockpit recording from the Russian jet that crashed last week. He adds the committee, made up of 47 investigators, is considering all possible scenarios for the cause of the accident

www.lefigaro.fr...

(Translation)

Mokaddem, added that "the inquiry with great attention consider all possible scenarios to elucidate the causes of this accident and has reached no conclusion so far." "The initial findings did not identify the cause of the breakup of the aircraft," he has said. "The data of the two flight recorders have been successfully downloaded, the time between the takeoff and the latest data is recorded 23 minutes and 14 seconds". According to Mr. Mokaddem a "spectral analysis" will be performed to determine the origin of a "sound heard in the last second of the record."

The FBI will be assisting the Russians in the forensic investigation of crash debris. To me this indicates a desire by the Russians to simply get the facts as opposed to playing political footsie with them.

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. has agreed to help the Russian government with its investigation into the deadly crash of a Russian charter plane in the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, senior American officials said on Saturday.

Some American officials said that the Russians want help doing a forensic analysis to determine what brought down the Airbus A321-200, while other officials said that the request from the Russians was more general. Although most of the debris is scattered over nearly eight square miles in the desert, some parts of the plane were taken to Russia for analysis.

It is rare for the Russians to make such a request, which was first reported on Friday by CBS News, and some American officials interpreted it as a sign of the challenges facing investigators.

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It was probably not ISIS who did this.

Fist ISIS state that they shot it Down. Now they say it was a bomb that brought i Down.

If ISIS did this they would have known from the start how they brought it Down... right. They shouldnt have to correct their facts.

a reply to: spy66

ISIS never actually said they "shot it down". They "brought it down", they said. Some idiots, me among them, ASSumed that they had shot it down. ISIS went on to wonder why everyone was talking about "shooting it down", when they never said they "shot it down".

They said they would tell how they brought it down in their own sweet time.

One of the reasons the intelligence services of the US believe that ISIS did "bring it down", probably with a bomb, is that they intercepted communications between terrorist groups, on their own grapevine, celebrating the event.

This is one of the reasons that Egypt is PO'd with the US right now. They want to be able to listen in on those "grapevines" too, but the US won't let them. The US doesn't believe that Egypt can be ziplipped enough about this stuff and would probably send everybody back to square one on terrorism by blabbingtoeveryone what the Americans were doing. ISIS would buy new cellphones and everything intel-wise would go to ratcrap.

A member of the Egyptian team investigating the crash spoke candidly, but not for attribution:

(Translation)

www.lefigaro.fr...

"The analysis conducted so far of the noise on the black box indicates that this is a bomb," said a Member of the Egyptian investigation committee, who requested anonymity. "We are 90% sure that this is a bomb." When asked to explain what may be the assumption justifying the 10% missing, he replied: "I can not talk about that, for the moment. "

The official Egyptian position is that it is still too early to speak of a terrorist attack.

I'm beginning to think, based on photos and statements about the debris field from the crash, that the bomb that brought this aircraft down may have been much bigger/more powerful than the device currently being hypothesized.

The aerial photo of the debris field showing the wings of the aircraft puzzled me when I first saw it, and I couldn't quite figure out the plane's attitude on impact.

www.abc.net.au...



What this photo shows is only the front end of the aircraft, from the cockpit area to the wings. The rest of the aircraft is missing from the photo! The following diagram from a BBC video report, is helpful.



Investigators have already said that parts of the plane are missing.

Here is a photo of the tail.

www.wsj.com...



Notice how clean the break is at the "roof" of this section of the fuselage. This has been interpreted by some as an indication that the tail weakened and failed structurally and was ripped from the plane by aerodynamic forces upon it, without recourse to an explosive device as an explanation.

During the eary stages of analysis of this incident, that would have been the explanation of CNN's aviation analyst:

wtvr.com...

The plane’s tail was found about 5 kilometers (3 miles) from the rest of the plane wreckage, the Russian state broadcaster Russia 24 reported.

The distance from the tail to the rest of the debris could be telling — especially because the tail was previously damaged, CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo said.

“To me, it says (the tail) exited the plane before (an) explosive event and before the fire engulfed the plane,” she said.

However, this doesn't account for the part of the plane stretching from the tail to the wings, which didn't come down with the rest of the aircraft and which appears to be missing!

I think it is possible that a much larger bomb than has hitherto been postulated, may have blown up the entire middle portion of this aircraft, in bringing it down, and that the tail may have been wrenched loose from the plane in the way it was, because of the violence of that explosion.

I think this was a very big bomb. To my knowledge there are no photographs of large pieces of the middle portion of the aircraft.

Have they really recovered all of the bodies? Have we been told the truth about the condition of the victims? Maybe I am wrong about this but the apparent absence of the middle of the aircraft makes me wonder.

A bigger bomb might leave less evidence, all comingled with the other baggage.

a reply to: FlyingFox

That's probably true. It would certainly scatter evidence widely. Everybody investigating this crash has remarked on the suddeness of the end. The tape just stops, with vague references to a noise at the end of the tape. No screams. Nothing.

A very big bomb would do that. It looks like this plane was literally blown in half by the detonation.

Two members of Congress already asking for stepped up attacks on ISIS and troops on the ground.

In almost every war, the event that precipitated a step up in activity was a false flag.

It's most interesting to me that right after the UK Govt said it was a bomb, they started to find evidence that the bomb existed.