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Police say gunman kills 3 in downtown Colorado Springs

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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: sageturkey
So I guess it's ok the use the tragedy to fuel the agenda as long as you add RIP first...
Shameful.


So its totally okay for gun nuts to use tragedies to push their agendas, but its not okay for the oppositon to use similar tactics?

okay got it!


Gun Nuts...
Lo Ciento, no comprendo Austin Liberal Democratic Socialist.
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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:25 PM
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a reply to: olaru12



I wonder why Colorado has so many mass shootings.


We have a very high suicide rate and also a higher than average amount of multiple sclerosis cases

Altitude maybe



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: sageturkey

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: sageturkey
So I guess it's ok the use the tragedy to fuel the agenda as long as you add RIP first...
Shameful.


So its totally okay for gun nuts to use tragedies to push their agendas, but its not okay for the oppositon to use similar tactics?

okay got it!


Gun Nuts...
Lo Ciento, no comprendo Austin Liberal Democratic Socialist.


Well what would you call a guy that walks down the street with a gun and kills 3 people?



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

A Lunatic.

Most likely someone (Once Again) on prescription SSRI's or anti-depressants.
You know, the 800lb Gorilla in the room that Big Pharma pressures the same media that incessantly advertises their products to not report on.

The "Gun Nuts" that were being referred to is anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment.
And no, I don't believe that it's proper for them to use a tragedy to support their agenda either...

edit on 31-10-2015 by sageturkey because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: VashTheStampede

How confident would you be firing garage SMG's?

I don't don't doubt people can make them, well if they have the machinery needed, but you think they would reliable and safe?
Also if we are talking all out ban, which I am not for, wouldn't that mean you would also have to make your own ammo?
Not talking reloading here, though I am sure that would suffice for a while, but when those supplies run out or are harder and more expensive to get.
Make shift bombs that are meant to go off once is one thing, getting something to propel a projectile using a small explosion with both home made guns and ammo sounds like a good way to do some damage to the person firing.


Yes,especially if I made them,I work a CNC machine very often if it went down it might take me a little longer to make one but it would be the same quality if not better than the Stens used in WWII,(not the resistance made ones,the British made ones)a SMG is actually a lot simpler design to make than a handgun and I've built a few handguns from of stainless steel barstock,SMG would be very easy to make even by the unskilled,the safety is up to user but if that fails yes I could make one with good safety.(easiest part of the gun really)
Ammunition would be easy to make,melt down brass,aluminum,or steal to use as the casing,gun powder is just Potassium Nitrate, Charcoal powder, and Sulfur powder,so that should be easy to get ahold of,primers can be reused but it is time consuming,but it can be done with a little know how.For projectiles I could melt down old lead fishing split shot weights,or really use just about any somewhat heavy metal,perhaps even silver or pewter if need be.
The only way someone could get injured is if they aren't well aware of how exactly the internals work and if they use metal too weak for the job,aluminum or pot metal for the action is a good example of a future exploding weapon(if chambered for .380,9mm,.40,0r .45),though it could work if the aluminum or pot metal was thick enough,but it would make for a bulky weapon(if aluminum,aluminim might be ok for the frame though),or a bulky and heavy weapon if made of pot metal.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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I was just down that way this week ('hood where the shooting happened).

The cops have been pretty tight lipped about the shooter and victims. Definitely no motive to speak of, yet.

Sounds like he woke up and lost his sh!t. Most ppl don't wake up on a Saturday and start walking the streets with a rifle and gas cans.

Glad he is off the streets and am so sorry for the victims and their families.

By the way, the Springs have WAY less shootings than my hometown. It's like ppl think mass shootings happen here all the time because there have been two very high profile shootings in the past. Columbine and the Aurora theatre shootings.

But, for the most part, people here are very friendly and polite, family oriented type folks. At least that's how it is in my community.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: VashTheStampede

Cool, you just described someone with knowledge and experience in the matter, that will not be the majority especially with street level criminals like you said would be making them.
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posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: Tiamat384
a reply to: odzeandennz

I think it's because guns are easiest to kill with, but if it were impossible to get a gun then we'd hear of mass kilings or serial killers using other weapons. Though, If someone wants a gun, stricter gun laws won't stop them.


yea that makes sense... maybe thats why we hear of mass gardening hose attacks in countries with strict gun laws that are 3 times more populated than the US ...
no.


originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: olaru12
-- how many ages ago was the rights to bear arm passed, and what was the main reason and under what circumstances... so many laws changed since, except what seems to be making the news on a weekly basis: gun control....


I'm really sick of this. It's been too long this has been able to keep happening.


Oh, I'm sorry, did you think I meant more gun control?

I didn't.

We have a very good set of laws on the books about background checks and keeping guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. Why is it that those laws are not being enforced?
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we sure do, and the statistics are there to prove it...

oh, im sorry did you think i was agreeing with you...?



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: VashTheStampede

Cool, you just described someone with knowledge and experience in the matter, that will not be the majority especially with street level criminals like you said would be making them.


You think people like me won't bend cash offers we will get to make guns for criminals?
I personally won't but other will,it is human nature to fall into the money trap,in fact one such person was making SMG's for members of a Australian biker gang,he also made suppressors for them(extremely easy to make),and had the sense to reduce the firerate from an uncontrollable 1200 rpm to a very controllable 600 rpm and this guy was just a Jewelry maker.

Article: www.dailytelegraph.com.au... groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916

Also should a gun ban happen I'll be making and selling pistols and revolvers to those who need protection from the criminals,I'll have a good guy system to where I nab the prints from them then have them checked out by my buddy in the FBI,if they are clear they may purchase a weapon.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:28 AM
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You think people like me won't bend cash offers we will get to make guns for criminals?

Not all, but your original statement was about criminals making them.



Not to mention if they took away literally every gun in the country the criminal could make them.

This to be exact. Also the ironic part would that you would be the 'criminal' in that case. Sure breaking a law you don't agree with but hey that is a pretty subjective stance. Who is to say what laws should be agreed with?


Also should a gun ban happen I'll be making and selling pistols and revolvers to those who need protection from the criminals,I'll have a good guy system to where I nab the prints from them then have them checked out by my buddy in the FBI,if they are clear they may purchase a weapon.

Oh the irony in that statement, well assuming you are not a fan of background checks which I may be wrong.
Creating the background check system. Well at least you would be some what sensible in your gun manufacturing and selling.

Your guy was selling them for 15k btw.

On August 12, 2010, Parkes gave John one of the weapons, a silencer and two magazines in a shopping bag in exchange for $15,000 in a brown McDonalds takeaway bag, court documents said.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au... groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916

You think the average street thug has that kind of cash to spend?



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: VashTheStampede



You think people like me won't bend cash offers we will get to make guns for criminals?

Not all, but your original statement was about criminals making them.



Not to mention if they took away literally every gun in the country the criminal could make them.

This to be exact. Also the ironic part would that you would be the 'criminal' in that case. Sure breaking a law you don't agree with but hey that is a pretty subjective stance. Who is to say what laws should be agreed with?


Also should a gun ban happen I'll be making and selling pistols and revolvers to those who need protection from the criminals,I'll have a good guy system to where I nab the prints from them then have them checked out by my buddy in the FBI,if they are clear they may purchase a weapon.

Oh the irony in that statement, well assuming you are not a fan of background checks which I may be wrong.
Creating the background check system. Well at least you would be some what sensible in your gun manufacturing and selling.

Your guy was selling them for 15k btw.

On August 12, 2010, Parkes gave John one of the weapons, a silencer and two magazines in a shopping bag in exchange for $15,000 in a brown McDonalds takeaway bag, court documents said.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au... groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916

You think the average street thug has that kind of cash to spend?



I notice his price and I immediately thought that's ridiculous(they cost under $100 in material alone),if it was me they would be say $500,but then again I wouldn't sell anything to a criminal.I sure people making them for criminals would make them affordable since that way they could sell more of them. IMO the right to self defense is a natural right and we don't have any right to try deny anybody the natural right to protect ones self,every animal in nature has a defense mechanism ours are firearms or what ever else will fit in a pocket and work in a pinch. My point was if a jewler can make good quality smg it should be to relatively easy for someone else to make a crude but works well smg out of sheet metal and basic garage tools. I do think for the most part background checks are unnecessary,I personally think mental illness checks would be better and more effective,but until then I'm fine with them.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: VashTheStampede

Sorry you are using one example of a man I am sure you know nothing about, to prove a point about street criminals that have probably have little knowledge in how the interior of guns work or what metals to use and how to work them.



IMO the right to self defense is a natural right and we don't have any right to try deny anybody the natural right to protect ones self

As long as they pass your good guy system of course!

Which you don't really agree with...
How ever that works.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz

we sure do, and the statistics are there to prove it...

oh, im sorry did you think i was agreeing with you...?


I missed where you posted the link to the statistics about whatever it is you disagree with. I'm afraid I don't know what you disagree with because you were cryptic. In fact I don't even know what your response was supposed to mean at all.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: odzeandennz
Read my post again, tell me, do you know what "impossible" means?



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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originally posted by: Tiamat384
a reply to: odzeandennz
Read my post again, tell me, do you know what "impossible" means?

yea, im not going to entertain 'impossibilities'
its not impossible to get guns in countries which can go 6 months or 1 month without a mass shooting incident.
to say if guns were somehow 'impossible' to get, we would see mass 'hammer over the head ' killing spree in ludicrous.
you can massage your denial and mask the fact that guns drive a temptation that exists.
-if all things can be used as a weapon, hypothetically, if a hammer and a rifle is placed on a table and you ask someone to choose '1' weapon, i wonder what they are going to choose... im sure there is an excuse to twist the psychological implication guns have in our society.


originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: odzeandennz

we sure do, and the statistics are there to prove it...

oh, im sorry did you think i was agreeing with you...?


I missed where you posted the link to the statistics about whatever it is you disagree with. I'm afraid I don't know what you disagree with because you were cryptic. In fact I don't even know what your response was supposed to mean at all.


ill give you the comparable stats to other countries in about a week or two when the next mass shooting happens.
ill be sure to include, all stats, church killings, school killings, rogue highway sniper shooting, toddlers that accidentally kill each other or parents, police who shoot first and ask questions whilst hand cuffing a corpse, biker shootouts, guy walking down street killing people etc.
given you stance, it makes sense the fact that you couldnt decipher what my response meant.
ill also include a link to why 'the right to bear arms' was constitutionally institutionalized, what year it was and what was going on during that era, and why its clutched on to this day despite the amount of chaos it causes as a cascading snowball effect.

.. actually i wont. im wrong, youre right. why try to edify when i like the entertainment



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 04:16 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker

We have a porous border. When Money talks, Cartels listen.

Guns and ammo would flow as easily as Cocaine and heroine.

Show me a city where there is no coc aine and heroine.... same applies and as easy or easier to transport into the country.

Not to mention, 300 million in circulation today.


This wins the thread, when it comes down to it the cartels will supply whatever is demanded here in the states... all the laws in the world wont stop that.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:05 AM
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Living here it sure did stop up traffic down town. I was home(NO it wasn't ME) at the time.
We are kind of ,"Meh another nu,bites the dust" I do pray for those shot however or for their survivors,who have paid for this creatures ambition's.
Our police handled it well.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 08:45 AM
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We have a porous border. When Money talks, Cartels listen.

Guns and ammo would flow as easily as Cocaine and heroine.

Show me a city where there is no coc aine and heroine.... same applies and as easy or easier to transport into the country.

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That is if You're under the impression that the Cartels are a separate entity. The ones You capitalized "Money" and "Cartels" are interconnected.

Did You know that in 2001 when 'The Taliban' was in charge of Afghanistan they supplied 7% of the world's opium? Now since 'The War' Afghanistan supplies 88+% This 'could' explain the uptick in the opiate based pain medicine overdoses AND the upswing of heroin use/abuse...

Now, please dis-regard if You actually meant a 'Heroine' (female Hero) because I too would CONCUR "We" (collective) NEED a Hero or 5...


'Fast and Furious' just wasn't a name of a crappy movie series, it also was the name of a program that ARMED the Cartels and when the Cartel Head Honcho gets busted, He miraculously escapes in a pre-dug tunnel...

Wakie Wakie...

We will call the new heroine "Ms. Yin" but to be frank, I could be 'happy/content' with anything other than what 'is'...

Have a fruitful day! I'm goin' fishin'



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

you dont see those cause it is easier to kill with a gun.
its is impersonal and you can do it from a distance.

much harder to beat someone to death with some chucks or to be right in front of them stabbing them to death.



posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz

ill give you the comparable stats to other countries in about a week or two when the next mass shooting happens.
ill be sure to include, all stats, church killings, school killings, rogue highway sniper shooting, toddlers that accidentally kill each other or parents, police who shoot first and ask questions whilst hand cuffing a corpse, biker shootouts, guy walking down street killing people etc.
given you stance, it makes sense the fact that you couldnt decipher what my response meant.
ill also include a link to why 'the right to bear arms' was constitutionally institutionalized, what year it was and what was going on during that era, and why its clutched on to this day despite the amount of chaos it causes as a cascading snowball effect.

.. actually i wont. im wrong, youre right. why try to edify when i like the entertainment


Yeah, why bother providing statistics, when legally purchased guns and those that are not given illegally are concerned. I understand why since they don't support your side.



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