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Would you risk having sex in California ('yes means yes')?

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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:12 AM
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the word “verbal” was removed from the bill


So no you don't have to keep saying yes. Calm down.

I think the matter is serious, though the wording of the bill can't seem to satisfy the needs of it.

You see there are plenty of people continuously abused sexually that have no voice. Many years of not being able to voice anything. Like when children are sexually abused they have no voice.

I don't think this is just about the one off one night stand turned violent scenario. Rape encounters have so many faces, I can see why it is hard to define how to show or voice consent.



edit on 31-10-2015 by zazzafrazz because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

YOU are absolutely right!
The levity was inappropriate...



You see there are plenty of people continuously abused sexually that have no voice. Many years of not being able to voice anything. Like when children are sexually abused they have no voice.


Maybe this bill will help those who are helpless.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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You know you live in a country with to many lawyers when you need to sign a written contract to have sex.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz


the word “verbal” was removed from the bill


So no you don't have to keep saying yes. Calm down.

I think the matter is serious, though the wording of the bill can't seem to satisfy the needs of it.

You see there are plenty of people continuously abused sexually that have no voice. Many years of not being able to voice anything. Like when children are sexually abused they have no voice.

I don't think this is just about the one off one night stand turned violent scenario. Rape encounters have so many faces, I can see why it is hard to define how to show or voice consent.


The "yes means yes" law has nothing to do with children as the following article mentioned:


Whether or not a 15-year-old girl or boy wanted to have sex with an 18 year old is immaterial; she or he ise not deemed old enough for consent to matter.
'Affirmative Consent' Is Bad for Women


However, one place it really matters is in pornography:


Rape is an inflammatory word, especially with respect to the adult industry. Actual depiction of rape may result in an obscenity trial and a prison term for the videomaker. Pornographers such as Max get around the rape issue by ensuring that at some point the female starlet verbally consents to whatever is going on. A typical Max Hardcore scene looks like a rape. A girl is pursued and captured. She cringes and cowers; Max yanks her by the pigtails and slaps her around. But it is not rape, because she tells us it isn’t. Images battle with words. Turn the sound down, and it is a rape.
Maxed out


The "yes means yes" law will make the above illegal, finally. It's unbelievable to me that in the 21st century pornographers were getting away with "legal rape" in California. I wonder how much this law has to do with that. Remember, California has been the pornography capital of the world for a long time.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Shamrock6

So if I do not achieve all stamps, you'll beat me senseless and throw me in jail!!
Just kidding brother!


No no. Two words.

Supervised probation.




posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

I know it doesn't have anything to do with children.
I was making a comparison of voicelessness an adult can have to how it happens with children.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
You know you live in a country with to many lawyers when you need to sign a written contract to have sex.


What do you think a marriage license is?


California should legalize prostitution. If he/she says no, you get your money back...



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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if both parties have to consent, if one doesn't; doesn't that make BOTH OF THEM sexual offenders? he'll, if neither of them do, they are breaking the law.... I don't like this at all



of course I am talking concensual

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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: NightFlight

originally posted by: Bluntone22
You know you live in a country with to many lawyers when you need to sign a written contract to have sex.


What do you think a marriage license is?


California should legalize prostitution. If he/she says no, you get your money back...


Marriage is a legal contract that gives women the right to take men's stuff....



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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Me and the old man had plenty of fun for the 20 years BEFORE we got married.
Funny enough, it was a legal reason that made us get married...

Anywho, he won't divorce me until the youngest is gone, our joke is "he could never afford the child support!"




posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

Unfortunately, this is not the only insane sex law on the books.

How many states is the act of sodomy against the law? Don't forget folks, that's not just anal.


And...for those of us in the BDSM crowd.....in NJ...you are considered mentally unstable if you consent to being hurt.


I'm not surprised one bit by this law. Not one bit.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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Political correctness gone too far?



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: nullafides
And...for those of us in the BDSM crowd.....in NJ...you are considered mentally unstable if you consent to being hurt.


Oh no.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: Profusion As a Californian born and raised, the only risk is catching a communicable disease... that's what people should worry about in any state.
Generally we have a lawyer print us up a contract agreeing on consent and keep a recording of the constant agreement during personal acts...
All joking aside, how does any law enforcement know what people talk about or say behind closed doors? Is big brother in the walls now?
Why not just 'no means no?'
This law is absurd.
If it gets rid of porn encouraging unloving manner in the bedroom, maybe that's good. To each there own, as long as they understand what they are doing and what it means. Some people find certain things or actions during intimacy help them to understand better their mental makeup. As long as no one gets hurt emotionally, mentally or spiritually... it's no ones business.
edit on 31-10-2015 by peppycat because: clear thought on OP



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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Would I ever even go to California? No. I can't bring my loved ones.

My dog is probably not welcome there because she looks like a bulldog.

My shotgun has a pistol grip.

My AR-15 is an AR-15.

Heck, my truck gets horrible gas mileage and would never pass an emissions test. Not that I even think emissions tests are something necessary...just another way to get your money.

Screw Commie-fornia, but only if it says "yes...yes.....YES!!"
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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Profusion

Frankly, I wouldn't even risk going to California.


You've watched too many movies.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Soooo wouldn't this apply to both parties? I mean, do they both have to "continuously" give consent to each other the entire time? Like both just nodding to each other or holding up a "consent" flag?

I totally agree that many people do not take the concept of consent seriously enough but I'm confused as to how a person abides by this law.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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Advised against by eriktheawful



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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This was it, she thought, as they kissed passionately. He whispered into her ear, "so, can I get your verbal consent?"

Buzzkill.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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I'm still trying to grasp the idea behind this law..

Don't they already have anti-rape laws? Or was rape not illegal before this?

I don't see how this law will stop a rapist from assaulting someone. People who don't care about consent aren't going to care just because of a law. Besides, they can just use violence to force someone to provide written consent. If a man raped a woman but he has clear written consent, then he's good to go?

This does is make it easier for women to call "rape" on someone who is 100% innocent, which is already a serious issue being made worse by california politicians.

Cool law. Can't wait to visit your disgusting state. Your population is so perverted that you feel the need to have people treat sex like it's a job.




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