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originally posted by: ashpack
The UK government seem to think something was put in the cargo hold. They are today flying home the 20,000 Brits from Sharm although there baggage is being flown home separately on cargo planes.
originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: ashpack
I'll be curious to see how this all pans out, seeing as I'll be off the grid hunting in rural Texas all weekend...
Vladimir Putin has today suspended all flights to Egypt hours after accusing David Cameron of leaping to conclusions about a Russian jet being brought down by a bomb.
The Russian President's U-turn came after a 10-minute phone call with Mr Cameron where he suggested Britain's decision to ban flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh was premature.
Despite the tension between the two leaders, the Prime Minister still shared British intelligence he believes proves the disaster in Eqypt which killed 224 people on Saturday was caused by an explosion.
MI5 intercepted 'chatter' between known terrorists on the Sinai Peninsula and secret services on the ground in Sharm will interrogate Egyptian baggage handlers who may have smuggled in an ISIS bomb.
Less that 24 hours later Russia's most senior spy Alexander Bortnikov has recommended that all Russian flights to Egypt should be suspended on safety grounds and Mr Putin has agreed.
The move comes as French media claimed information from the black boxes proved the jet was destroyed by a bomb. An unnamed source reportedly linked to the investigation into the flight data recorders claimed the Metrojet flight was 'definitely' blown up by an explosive device.
The claims were reported by French news magazine Le Point, which said the findings emerged after analysis of the black boxes by Russian, French, German and Irish investigators in Cairo.
The source, who has not been independently verified, said: 'It was not a probable security violation but a definite one.
However, the claims by Le point also come amid reports that another source close to the investigation said the black boxes were yielding almost no useful information on establishing the cause of the disaster which claimed the lives of 224 people.
"As long as we haven’t established the causes of the incident, I consider it appropriate to suspend the flights of Russian aircraft to Egypt. This primarily applies to the tourist flow,” FSB director Aleksandr Bortnikov told a meeting of the Russian Anti-Terror Committee on Friday.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Putin agreed with the recommendations of the Federal Security Service (FSB). He added that Putin had instructed the government to ensure the safe return of Russian citizens from Egypt and to cooperate with the Egyptian authorities on establishing air traffic security.
The flights will be suspended until a “proper level of air communication security” is established, he said.
Peskov said that the decision to suspend flights was “solely connected with security” reasons, and doesn’t suggest that Moscow considers the A321 crash to be a terrorist attack.
originally posted by: ashpack
It looks like the UK acted on the US intelligence but not much coming out about the intelligence apart from "additional activity in the saini region that caught our attention" before and after the crash all related to "internal messages seperate to the public claims of responsibility already made"
A British plane carrying 189 passengers came 'within 1,000ft' of a rocket as it approached Sharm El Sheikh, it emerged last night.
The Thomson flight from London Stansted only took evasive action after the pilot spotted the missile speeding through the air.
The jet landed safely, and holidaymakers were not told they had been seconds from disaster.
The revelation comes amid claims British jihadists had spoken about an Islamic State 'mole' at Sharm el-Sheikh airport minutes after a Metrojet plane crashed in Sinai, killing all 224 on board.
According to the Sun, British extremists were discussing details of the plot in online 'chatter' picked up by US intelligence officers.
Sources told the newspaper there was suggestion there might still be an Islamic State agent active in Sharm el-Sheikh airport.
Meanwhile, US news outlet NBC said American officials had heard leaders from the terror group boasting about the downing of a Russian passenger jet over Egypt.
Citing unnamed officials, the report said ISIS chiefs in Raqqa, Syria, were heard speaking to an affiliated group in the Sinai Peninsula about taking down the plane and how it was done.
An intercepted message from the group also warned of 'something big in the area' before the crash.
The Department for Transport confirmed the Thomson near-miss incident took place on August 23 – just two months before the Metrojet plane crash.
originally posted by: usafage
....................Putin has to own this thing plain and simple and hit those responsible with an extreme heavy hand. We missed our chance to be done with these people the day after 9/11 and this is what you get. Now it's his turn.
Hell even if it was mechanical (not looking likely now) never let a chance like this get away. The world is a cut throat brutal chess match and when you get the opportunity to dispose of your enemies with your easiest means at your disposal you do as such.
Ask yourselves what would Dick Cheney do and why in the hell did Putin not run with this?
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mzinga
No, I still think it's mechanical. But regardless of what the investigation reveals, with governments saying bomb, anything else will be called a cover up.
European investigators who analyzed the two flight recorders from the Metrojet plane that went down last weekend in Egypt are categorically saying the crash is not an accident,
The investigators said the cockpit voice recorder of Metrojet Flight 9268 shows an explosion and the flight data recorder confirms the explosion is not accidental.