So Obama repeatedly says no boots on the ground until...

a reply to: Metallicus

Can you imagine if American Citizens all started to settle their disagreements in the same way as our Government

By going golfing?

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
he randomly decides that boots will be put on the ground? What is this trickery? More lies. This is it. I'm done with this country. I know it doesn't matter to anyone, but I will not participate in this governments activities any longer. I am disgusted. I'll grow my own food and figure out a way to create my own world. It will take time and they will get their share, but one day I shall be free.

This is about getting that pipeline from Iraq through Syria. Helping the Kurdish pushes the Kurdish Statehood and allows the US corporations to make an economic deal with the Kurds to run the pipeline.

Of course, running a pipeline through Syria at all diminishes Russia's economic prosperity. I can't image Putin is going to play nice if that begins.

originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
he randomly decides that boots will be put on the ground? What is this trickery? More lies. This is it. I'm done with this country. I know it doesn't matter to anyone, but I will not participate in this governments activities any longer. I am disgusted. I'll grow my own food and figure out a way to create my own world. It will take time and they will get their share, but one day I shall be free.

Congratulations to you, you have taken the first step, a resolution to achieve a specific outcome.

Just one thought. Do you plan to stay in touch with things to monitor whats going on so you can adapt etc?

I ask myself this question should I resolve to do what you have recolved to do.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So Americans where mad when troops where in irak, he takes them out, people get mad.

Americans didint want boots in syria so he didint send any, americans start calling him weak, then he sends in the troops.

Dont change people, its comedy hour at its best.

Maybe it's not as it seems...

When people are unhappy, they complain. When people are happy, they barely complain.

Think of 2 crowds of people. Crowd 1 is happy that the US isn't putting troops in Syria, the other is angry that they aren't doing a thing about it.

Which voice do you hear the most? You hear crowd 2 because crowd 1 is happy about the current state and has no reason to complain or pay much attention to the complaints of crowd 2.

Now Obama puts boots on the ground. Crowd 2 is now happy, but now crowd 1 is mad about what Obama has done. Which crowd do you hear the most? Now you hear crowd 1 because they are unhappy, and crowd 2 is happy.

You can notice such things in many areas (real life, product reviews, etc). Then you also have to factor minorities and majorities.

Example:

Let's say you have a forum, and there are 2 crowds (one is happy, the other is sad).

Crowd 1 has 100,000 people. Crowd 2 has 1,000 people.

Crowd 1 is happy, 100,000 happy people. The majority won't have a say in any of the complaints going about because they have nothing to worry about, they're enjoying the current events/things.

But if you look at the forum, it will be cluttered with complaints, and it will seem as if nobody is happy with what is going on. But it turns out, it's just 1,000 unhappy people from crowd 2. It may look like nobody is happy, but it's really just the minority standing out.

I am not saying that this is the current case with the topic at hand. I'm just saying that it is something to consider.

I think this has been in the pipeline for a while now. Maybe there is a Jade Helm connection here.

Think about it, they just spent all summer training large amounts of Special Forces units in our South West, dessert like, region of the US then turn right around a couple of months later to deploy a large amount of Special Forces in Syria.

It would be nice to know how many of the deployed over there just trained in Jade Helm.

Our government is good for keeping Special Ops hidden from the US public. Look how long they were planning the raid on Osama and no one knew a thing till it was done.

originally posted by: crimsongod21
a reply to: Jahari

First thank you for your service in the military it takes a special type of person to do that.

It is amazing that almost all vets I know feel the same way about war in the middle east. I.e let them fight it out themselves our interference only seems to bring more heat and danger back upon us.

It's called blowback.

he randomly decides that boots will be put on the ground

You think this decision was RANDOM? Do you keep up with the news at all?

ALL of us at one time or another have said we would/would not do something and then had to change our strategy because of unforeseen circumstances.

Clearly you are only taking a cheap shot at the President.

No troops sent: "Omg Obama you are weak! Russia and Putin showed you up lol! What a pathetic government."
Troops sent: "Omg Obama you are a liar! Why are you going to risk lives? And LIE! What a pathetic government!"

They really can't win.

And it's ironic to hear all the "this is truly evil and must be stopped! posts.. followed by the "Putin is not a coward! U.S. must have an agenda by not helping! posts.. followed now by the "Liar government you suck I'll never support you and your stupid decisions!" posts.

Make your stupid minds up.

The U.S. actually winning a war, boots on the ground or otherwise -- *giggles girlishly*

Believing what congenitally mendacious, vote-pandering politicians tell you -- priceless!

US should not send boots on the ground. This fact would be a breeding and rallying ground for Jihadists all over the world to provide services to fanatics organizations.

Syria under Assad, Egypt under Sisi, Jordan under secular minded royalty are good examples for a peaceful Arab ME.

Because ME has been under heavy socialist influences for last 6 decades, so to smoothly implement free market democratic system would very difficult. More so when opposing influences like former regimes, Islamists etc. would be constantly working towards toppling the new and fragile set up.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

President Obama could personally hand every American a $100 dollar bill and those who hate him would complain that:

1. It wasn't $200
2. He's spreading Germs

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
So Americans where mad when troops where in irak, he takes them out, people get mad.

Americans didint want boots in syria so he didint send any, americans start calling him weak, then he sends in the troops.

Dont change people, its comedy hour at its best.

It's about consistency. He has none, and when he does make a move, it's symbolic at best.

What on earth are 50 troops going to do? If he is going to go to war, then it needs to be done and done in such a way that there is no doubt we are at war. And if we are staying out of it, then stay out of it.

originally posted by: neOrevolutionist
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

President Obama could personally hand every American a $100 dollar bill and those who hate him would complain that:

1. It wasn't $200
2. He's spreading Germs

Actually, I'd wonder where he got the money from. And if he's handing me $100 in tax dollars, then why didn't he just leave it alone instead of taxing it from me in the first place.

For those that are upset at this news, what specifically are you upset about? Do you think that we aren't really going to fight ISIS and you feel the actual reason we're going in isn't justifiable? Or do you think that we are going to fight ISIS, but that isn't an appropriate action to take at this time?

And for those in the latter group, is there a line ISIS could cross where you think it would be appropriate to send troops in on the ground?

Personally, I don't mind the news, but it's an interesting debate. For me, I think generally, we should let other countries tend to their own affairs. However, my line for when it's appropriate to intervene was crossed by ISIS some time ago. They're doing some genuinely awful things and the countries they're occupying seem completely unprepared to deal with them.

But it's worthy of debate, IMO, because I think that line is in different places for different people. So I'm just trying to understand the other side a little better.

a reply to: jw3714

50 troops ...

We may have some of the best special forces out there, but they aren't winning the war with 50 troops.

All this is a coordinated effort on both sides to restart the Cold War.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Most United States citizens didn't or don't want boots on the ground over there. What the politicians are saying or doing is always something different from what their constituents want or say for the most part. Happens on both sides of the aisle last I checked.

a reply to: Kuroodo
Funny thing is though, many of those complaining the USA aren't doing enough are those who disparage them for doing too much.

I can point the finger at a few people here who cheer on Putin, yet freak out when the Americans do the same.

So blinded by the belief the Americans are the most evil empire to ever live, they will never be happy with anything they do.

a reply to: nightbringr

Funny thing is though, many of those complaining the USA aren't doing enough are those who disparage them for doing too much.

Why is the glorious and mighty USAF not bombing the oil refineries under ISIS which gets thems 100s of millions of dollars in revenues to pay for foot soldiers and buy new weapons?

7000+ sorties in last few months and ISIS still standing? A small difference has started to show once the Russians started bombing with their air force. Once Russians are done with ISIS in Syria then their focus will move to ISIS in Iraq and world will see how quickly terrorist organizations can be blown up.................not requiring 7000+ sorties btw.

a reply to: Christosterone

In truth Obama has tried, and Congress blocks him. Believe it or not, Obama is not a dictator.