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Transgender woman Tara Hudson loses all-male prison appeal

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Yes but how much time did they do? Were they in general population or protective custody? Forgive me for not taking the word of someone that was doing easy time on the weekends. That's WAY different.... but then again I have no experience in this.




posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Ah, I'll concede dude, I'm just happy for the girl in the OP to be in a female UK prison and not male now, common sense decision by the judge as far as I see it.
Now that I understand your original assertions which inspired our respectful conversation were just opinion, I have no real interest in arguing opinions.

I've shared my opinion and given my reasons based on knowing former prisoners of Eastwood Park, you've shared your opinion and given your reasons based on being employed by the Canadian prison service, all good.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: MrCrow

I think he needs to stop complaining and serve his time. He is still male, and should be in a male prison, but in solitary. There is still some sort of male organ present, and this is clearly a violent individual, capable of inflicting a lot of harm to women in a women's prison.

I see from reading that they moved him. When he beats the crap out of female prisoners, how are all of the people defending him going to feel about that?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand






Ah, I'll concede dude, I'm just happy for the girl in the OP to be in a female UK prison and not male now, common sense decision by the judge as far as I see it.


I guess I missed that.

Was the decision reversed?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: MrCrow

I think he needs to stop complaining and serve his time. He is still male, and should be in a male prison, but in solitary.
Yeah a judge disagreed with you and the original lower court magistrate who decreed male prison.
We shall see I guess, and a legal precedent has been set in the UK which I support.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: grainofsand






Ah, I'll concede dude, I'm just happy for the girl in the OP to be in a female UK prison and not male now, common sense decision by the judge as far as I see it.


I guess I missed that.

Was the decision reversed?
Yes www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Sounds like a cluster of guesses.

The goal all along has been to protect everyone and let us hope that happens.

She is a predator.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
She is a predator.
May I ask what you base that unsourced assertion on?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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1500 in dental work is probly 1 tooth not like he got all his teeth knocked out just saying it's almost 2k for a crown these days

And pre op male prison unfortunately that's just how it must be for now ... in protective cusity just like the sex offenders and snitches



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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I am just curious why we are having sympathy for an admitted violent criminal here?? All he needs to do is start a fight and they will throw him in isolation. Thats how it works in many prisons. You want to be left alone?? Just start a random assault and they will isolate you. Cant understand why people will insist on calling him she, especially when he is legally a man. At the very best, I would refer to him as it if he is having such a problem being the male that genetics birthed him as.

Let the violent man remain in a male prison, we dont need him committing acts of violence on other guilty female prisoners as well. he can be as violent as he wants now.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Sure, you want to be called spider-man, whatever. What's in a name? Who cares if you think you're spider man? As long as you don't violate my freedoms or break any laws -- I could care less if you walk around in a spider-man costume.

I also could care less that my neighbor is insanely religious and believes in things I think are delusional and silly. She's happy with it, ignores me and we both live in peace.

Let me know how the surgery turns out, I'm curious how they're going to do the web shooters. If you don't mind, may I ask what you do for a living? I would imagine that a spider-man surgery would be extremely expensive indeed!



Oh, its easy, if I can't afford it, all i have to do is leak top secret cables to wikileaks - get thrown in a federal prison and have the taxpayers pay for it since I have a right to demand that you recognize me as Spider man.

And that is how it affects you.


Speaking of delusional and silly .... although I prefer the term "lunacy"

Why should I be compelled to 'play along' with someone else's lunacy? A dude is a dude.

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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 03:30 AM
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originally posted by: AmericanRealist
I am just curious why we are having sympathy for an admitted violent criminal here?? All he needs to do is start a fight and they will throw him in isolation. Thats how it works in many prisons. You want to be left alone?? Just start a random assault and they will isolate you. Cant understand why people will insist on calling him she, especially when he is legally a man. At the very best, I would refer to him as it if he is having such a problem being the male that genetics birthed him as.

Let the violent man remain in a male prison, we dont need him committing acts of violence on other guilty female prisoners as well. he can be as violent as he wants now.


I can answer all of these questions for you.

Because they are crazy. That's why.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Well, if you don't think the government should be paying for such things you have some options:

1. Write your representatives

2. Start a petition

3. Raise awareness by organizing rallies

4. Donate time and/or money to candidates that support your views

5. Make sure to always vote

6. Run for office yourself

I know we all (myself included) complain about things, but we still do have quite a few avenues to create change!



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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In many of these cases, a bit of basic biology might work wonders with some of you (I am an optimist):

Reality of intersex:


To answer this question in an uncontroversial way, you’d have to first get everyone to agree on what counts as intersex —and also to agree on what should count as strictly male or strictly female. That’s hard to do. Do you count “sex chromosome” anomalies as intersex if there’s no apparent external sexual ambiguity?

Here’s what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.


How common is intersex?

So, let's split it down the middle and say that intersex happens in 1 in 1750 births. That's a population of about 184,000 folks in the US alone who don't physically or scientifically meet the "criteria" for the either/or of male-female.

Developmental sex:

Some may know that ALL of us started our lives as females.

Difference between sex and gender:

Sex is how we are classified based on physical characteristics. Gender is a constellation of factors that describe our sense of identity within our culture as male, female, somewhere in between, neither, etc.

Anomalies (not "unnatural" or "deformations" or "defects") occur naturally:

There are a group of people living in the Dominican Republic that regularly experience female children becoming male children at approximately puberty due to differences in bodily enzymes: Source - BBC News.

Although it is a good way to generally get a handled on these concepts, it is not sufficient to point to trans* folks simply as having a different gender identity than their sex. It is sometimes a conflict between psychological and physiological forces but is not always .

... but the fact remains that both psychologically and physically ... there are more possibilities than the either/or (sometimes called "the binary") FOR SOME PEOPLE.

They aren't making it up; they don't have psychological problems; they aren't looking for attention.
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posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: markovian
1500 in dental work is probly 1 tooth not like he got all his teeth knocked out just saying it's almost 2k for a crown these days
Agreed, my two upper front implant teeth came to £2000, that was after a headbutt as well lol


And pre op male prison unfortunately that's just how it must be for now ... in protective cusity just like the sex offenders and snitches
Nope, a judge disagreed with you so she is now in a female prison, unlucky, common sense won the day over bigotry.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
From your source...


Hudson has had reconstructive surgery and lived as a woman all her adult life but is still legally a man.


The law is being followed. She is still legally a man and since that is the case, they cannot legally put her in an all women's prison.

She is where she should be by law IMO.

It's a bad situation all the way around. Gray areas that certainly need to be defined sooner or later.


This goes to prove only one thing i'm afraid...that the law is an arse.

The law is both made and practised by logical, thinking and intelligent Human beings, unfortunately without an ounce of common sense at times it seems.

She'd be better off serving her entire sentence in segregation i reckon, that's what i would do if i were her...unless she's a right tart, then go for general pop and have a whale old time of it.

If Bristol Prison's Governor won't allow her to voluntarily stay in segregation, all she has to do is spit in his face or call him a c*** or something and she'll get into it that way.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

Nope, both your good self and Kangaruex4Ewe are incorrect because a judge has decided that she serve her time in a female prison now. This has set a legal precedent in the UK so whether you like it or not 'the law' in the UK will provide for trans folk in the future to serve time in the gender appropriate prison.

And to all you folk in the thread almost baying for blood, just look at her:
...you really think a male prison was appropriate? Really?

Either way, unlucky to all the bigots, a UK judge made a common sense decision, and I'm chuckling to myself at how angry I imagine some of you are right now lol



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MysterX

Nope, both your good self and Kangaruex4Ewe are incorrect because a judge has decided that she serve her time in a female prison now. This has set a legal precedent in the UK so whether you like it or not 'the law' in the UK will provide for trans folk in the future to serve time in the gender appropriate prison.

And to all you folk in the thread almost baying for blood, just look at her:
...you really think a male prison was appropriate? Really?

Either way, unlucky to all the bigots, a UK judge made a common sense decision, and I'm chuckling to myself at how angry I imagine some of you are right now lol


Well, in that case, i'll take back what i said.

I'm pleased common sense prevails, at least in one small corner of the legal system.

Good for the Judge.

You know, sometimes i wonder if we ought to spend a year of our lives, perhaps during middle to late teenage years, as the opposite gender to that with which we identify.

In all probability, it would erase gender bigotry in a single generation, if those prone to such things could experience the other side of the coin for a while...if nothing else, it would create a great deal of empathy for all genders and we'd finally see an end to the 'battle of the sexes' i'd imagine.

Would probably work for many situations actually.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX
You know, sometimes i wonder if we ought to spend a year of our lives, perhaps during middle to late teenage years, as the opposite gender to that with which we identify.

In all probability, it would erase gender bigotry in a single generation, if those prone to such things could experience the other side of the coin for a while...if nothing else, it would create a great deal of empathy for all genders and we'd finally see an end to the 'battle of the sexes' i'd imagine.

Would probably work for many situations actually.
I like your thoughts

Another good one (but not practical) would be for everyone to be born with a twin of the opposite gender. I have a twin sister and her experiences compared to mine, growing up and continuing through life, have taught me how bigoted and discriminatory the world actually is.

My little corner of the UK has quite a high trans population, with most folk quite accepting and tolerant to the point that the bigots are too scared to act on their thoughts because the majority would quickly fight in defence of a trans person being abused.

I passed a trans woman the other day in town, pretty dress, but bigger shoulders and stronger jaw line than I have, I smiled to myself that I live in a tolerant place where that person feels safe and comfortable enough to walk the street without any fear of abuse.
I would challenge such abuse every time, but I've never seen it happen here and that pleases me.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

Agreed. She will be MUCH more likely to be abused repeatedly in a men's prison.

So will any white guy under 6 ft. tall and 200 lbs. Should we have a special prison for them as well?



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