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ServantOfTheLamb: The question of whether there is a Creator, is more on the grounds of philosophy rather than Science. Why? Lets use a watch to answer that question. If we are using Science to describe a watch, then the results we should get should all be about how the watch works. It should describe the mechanisms available, there function, and maybe how long each mechanical process takes. That is all we should get from a Scientific point of view. Where is the creator of the watch? Science doesn't care. Science is a process used to describe the mechanistic processes behind the way something works. It does not care about anything on the level of an agent. It does not give you any information on the agent who created the watch. We would have to use logical reasoning rather than an evidential argument in order to determine the existence of an agent behind that watch. We need philosophy in order to talk about things on the level of an agent.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Ghost147
The question of whether there is a Creator, is more on the grounds of philosophy rather than Science. Why? Lets use a watch to answer that question. If we are using Science to describe a watch, then the results we should get should all be about how the watch works. It should describe the mechanisms available, there function, and maybe how long each mechanical process takes. That is all we should get from a Scientific point of view. Where is the creator of the watch? Science doesn't care. Science is a process used to describe the mechanistic processes behind the way something works. It does not care about anything on the level of an agent. It does not give you any information on the agent who created the watch. We would have to use logical reasoning rather than an evidential argument in order to determine the existence of an agent behind that watch. We need philosophy in order to talk about things on the level of an agent.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Ghost147
The question of whether there is a Creator, is more on the grounds of philosophy rather than Science. Why? Lets use a watch to answer that question. If we are using Science to describe a watch, then the results we should get should all be about how the watch works. It should describe the mechanisms available, there function, and maybe how long each mechanical process takes. That is all we should get from a Scientific point of view. Where is the creator of the watch? Science doesn't care. Science is a process used to describe the mechanistic processes behind the way something works. It does not care about anything on the level of an agent. It does not give you any information on the agent who created the watch. We would have to use logical reasoning rather than an evidential argument in order to determine the existence of an agent behind that watch. We need philosophy in order to talk about things on the level of an agent.
originally posted by: DbDraad
The Christian view on creationism predicts that science would show a starting point of creation and that there will be an end of creation...a stopping point of some sort. Everything in between is detail. The starting point is pretty much excepted science ATM....and everything point at it all ending in a few billion years...so we're still on track.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: DbDraad
The Christian view on creationism predicts that science would show a starting point of creation and that there will be an end of creation...a stopping point of some sort. Everything in between is detail. The starting point is pretty much excepted science ATM....and everything point at it all ending in a few billion years...so we're still on track.
That is an over simplified and incorrect way of describing scientific theory to make it seem like it aligns with Christian mysticism. By your same rationale, I could use ANY mythology to explain the universe. After all, most mythologies have a beginning of the universe story and many have an end of the universe story.
TzarChasm: Where is God's creator? Who made the watchmaker? This is where your cleverly fashioned rhetoric falls apart.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Ok. Fair enough. Christian mythology.