Disappointed migrants 'too frightened' to live in Swedish woods

a reply to: Liquesence

Lets put this into perspective, shall we?

I have several friends, occasionally one of them needs to crash on my couch. This is fine, and I offer them a seat at the table as I've made dinner. (Usually, they're over because of fights with their significant others, or some such silly non-sense.).

Ideally, you take what you are given, with gratitude.

However, if one of my friends were to demand he have my bed, and demand I make him steak for dinner, with ale and dessert.. I would probably ask him to leave, telling him he should go back to his own home, and deal with his problems there so he can have his comfy bed, and steak for dinner.

This principal is applied to a country too. You come to a country and are offered modest things, offered what can be spared, and that is not good enough for you? Then go back to where you came from.

Liquesence, are you saying that if I show up on your door step, in need, I can demand from you what ever I want, and you will provide it, your comfy bed, and a steak dinner, and dessert and drink, all the time, graciously?

a reply to: lifecitizen

Ha ha , but if you go west you get to Maralinga , google that .

a reply to: Cygnis

I *did* put it in perspective, in my previous response. That's the perspective most people are failing to see, including you.

Your examples aren't accurately comparable *because they don't take the other perspective into account.*

Failing to recognize the perspective of the refugee and the new places in which they find themselves, and which I previously metioned, is the fundamental flaw in your and most everyone else's reply.

That's not saying they should demand or get their way, but that they have a valid reason for how they feel in a new place.

Period.

a reply to: Liquesence

Oh, I understand the perspective. I just feel it's not terribly valid.

They're leaving what they know, and going some place far away, and it's vastly different to what their used to.

That is what we call "change". It's all around us, and quite constant. To move 3,000 miles, and expect it to look like, smell like, feel like where you came from is ignorant.

If we put the shoe on the other foot, what do you think their response would be, if suddenly a bunch of us people, used to air-conditioning, and fast food, and such showed up on their door-step, but refused what was offered? Do you think they would graciously try and accommodate us, or kick us out of their home?

"It's too hot, don't you have a room with air-conditioning?"

"There is no grass, and trees in your yard, I'm not comfortable with no greenery."

"This food tastes funny, don't you have any hamburgers?"

Home / country.. the comparison is mirco to macro.

Do I feel sorry for the migrants, no. They made the choice to leave, rather than deal with their own issues at home. With the numbers pouring over into Europe, they could vastly rival what they are running from.

I feel the same way with the influx from my Southern boarder.

I would expect nothing less if I migrated to another country. If I was seeking Asylum, I would expect bare necessities, not shangra-la.

Is a cabin in the woods ideal... All depends on your willingness to adapt.

a reply to: Cygnis

No, you don't understand. Otherwise you'd see that it *is* valid.

This is not simply about willingness or unwillingness to adapt, nor is it simply about "we don't like our accommodations we want something better so honor our desires." This is about people scared to live where they find themselves because it's different. Two different issues.

I refer you back to my previous posts so I spare my breath.

Good night.

a reply to: Liquesence

ok thats fine and all, we get that they may be scared. Oh well sorry. There was no more space in the crowded safety and illumination of an urban center. But this is the best they are going to get for the time being, and frankly its rather well in most peoples opinions.

Erm I think it bears pointing out that the vast majority of these refugees actually asked,nay begged, to go to Sweden rather than anywhere else. In point of fact, there was a bit of uproar in Denmark when buses of refugees refused to get off in Denmark and demanded they be taken to Sweden. Sorry but ya get's what ya given and basically get on with it, especially when faced with little in the way of choices. They could have stayed put in the numerous countries they passed through but chose not to in the mistaken belief that Sweden was the holy grail

And to the poster who mentions not being allowed to shoot intruders dead in their homes, same applies in the UK (and other EU countries) and yes we too can get sued for attacking burglars if deemed unecessary force

originally posted by: Tjoran
"Cold"? "Dark"? I don't even.. What did they expect to get, 5 star luxury hotel rooms in the middle of the city?

Funny you should mention a 5 star luxury hotel..
See this link yet?

Most of these people arrive penniless so what exactly do they expect. If they choose to go to a country near the north pole with 24 hour darkness during winter, one wonders when coming from countries close to the equator what exactly they thought they were getting?

Oh yes! one of the best benefit and standards of living in the world - no less - especially when one arrives without money and probably dubious language skills.

Honestly ridiculous doesn't even hit it. How many were families or single men not prepared to fight for their own countries but just here to trade a living off other working people? Anyone causing trouble should be deported before they become really disruptive. Surely one would be grateful and work their way out of the forest as soon as they could?

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Meh....even my kids know the saying, you get what you get and you don't pitch a fit.

If they don't like the accommodations then move on to the next place. No country is going to set anyone up with unrealistic accommodations. I would say the expectation was way too high. They have a place to live and food and no war. I would say that's a win for them.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

If you use unecessary force yes, but there is another law called self defense, but in another term which have no equal word in english:

1.If you commit a criminal offense against a building or a person
2.If you threat or by force stop someone reclaiming their gods within a 24/h period
3.If you have forcefully entered a, room, house, farm or ship
4. If you refuse to leave a living quarters after being told to leave.

You can use necessary FORCE in Sweden to sort the problem.. But it must be justified by the law, if he breaks in, and you shoot him in the face.. There is no justification for it, since the violence was overkill..

We have a case in Sweden now, where altercations with three people ( neighbors ) ended up with two people threatening had armed themselves and broke in.. The neighbor shot and killed the first person, in selfdefense.. However the second killing is not justified since its considered manslaughter or murder, in the USA he would have been freed.. Here he will be convicted for either manslaughter or murder for the Second killing and self defense in the first killing..

He cant justify the second..

No matter how you slice it the refugees who refused this accommodation are very ungrateful. If they would shut their complaining mouths for half a second they would have noticed the beautiful silence of nature and the complete abscence of gun fire and war torn violence like the other regugees did who graciously accepted this gift of assylum.





a reply to: starwarsisreal

Sweden is doomed and in denial. Also, only would a socialist country ever agree to be so overwhelmingly over populated by middle eastern Muslim immigrants. Since everything is everyone's, perhaps no one feels they can complain because it's not really theirs to complain about. Madness!

Ketsuko, you can keep insisting all you want, you guys are doomed. Your childrens children will be raised in a pseudo Islamic shariah ghetto hell hole. Grow a pair and fight back. All your PC garbage won't save you from reality. Muslims don't care that you welcomed them with open arms, all they see is weakness.

originally posted by: muSSang
Man oh man what ever happened to the saying "beggars can't be choosers"?
I guess the generation of entitlement had no boundaries....

That would be:

tiggare inte väljare

That is Swedish but I'd opine they'd need to hear/read it in Arabic:


ل متسول لا يمكن اخيار
l mtasawl la yumkin akhyar


namaste

originally posted by: Ivar_Karlsen

Disappointed migrants 'too frightened' to live in Swedish woods

There are trolls, boar, bears and other kind of wild life in the Swedish woods.
I wouldn't want to live there either.

HHmm... I've never been troll hunting before... Wonder if they taste like chicken.

As many others have said , If I am a refugee and I have a warm safe place to sleep I say thank you.

Heck moving to Germany has been eye Opening for me... but 1 thing I have not said and will not say is "well this isnt how we do it in America" Or some variation of that... and refusing shelter that is given to you strikes me as something similar.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Uh, yeah...Sweden is dark and very cold a lot of the time. Be careful what you demand is my advice. Sure they have great social free stuff, but simple geography dictates that you endure a largely cooler climate.

originally posted by: CrawlingChaos

originally posted by: Ivar_Karlsen

Disappointed migrants 'too frightened' to live in Swedish woods

There are trolls, boar, bears and other kind of wild life in the Swedish woods.
I wouldn't want to live there either.

HHmm... I've never been troll hunting before... Wonder if they taste like chicken.

I dunno.
Since conventional ammo won't bring them down i haven't been able to taste troll meat yet.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Can WE move to Swedens woods as refugees from Obama ?
HE thinks we are terrorists any way,might as well move to a country where we can live in the woods and mountains.

a reply to: Hyperia

THEY could USE us ,we will bring buffalos over so we can have ranches.