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Are We Looking For A Fight In The South China Sea?

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: criticalhit

So if the US goes 12 miles off the coast of China we can build islands all around them and landlock them and that is fine? If China does not like it then they are starting a war?




posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

It's called war for a reason. No one but you has said anything about them not retaliating.

No one would see the complete launch, and even if you saw part of it, prove where they're going. The B-2 would attack the defenses, opening the way for low level B-1 strikes, while the B-52s would come after carrying every cruise missile they could.


Yeah you have way to much faith in your B2s. Non of the B2s can launch from the US without revealing where they are heading. How many times would they have to refule depending on their rout to China?

It is good Pentagon dosent think this is a good idea.
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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: spy66

USAF - B52 fact sheet

Range: 8,800 miles

Deployment -
Minot ND Air Force base - distance from that base to China is 5939 miles one way.
Barksdale LA Air Force Base - distance from that base to China is 7200+/- miles one way.


They can take off from their US bases, fly non stop to drop their weapons and then fly to another base to land and refuel or they meet up with an aerial tanker, get some gas, and return to their home bases. They could also top off prior to their target, allowing a direct flight back home.

* - B-2 Stealth Bomber Range - Intercontinental.
* - B-1B Lancer - Range - Intercontinental.
* - F-111 Ardvark Range - 3400 +/-

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: spy66

Yes, because China and Russia have radar systems deployed in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that would track them.

Four refueling points if it's a round trip.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: criticalhit

So if the US goes 12 miles off the coast of China we can build islands all around them and landlock them and that is fine? If China does not like it then they are starting a war?


Ummm no. That would interfere with with sea lanes and then we would be doing just what the chinese are doing.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

Yes, because China and Russia have radar systems deployed in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that would track them.

Four refueling points if it's a round trip.


It is stupid to even try and defend Your case. You would not be presenting clasified US attack info. on a Public forum. The other fact is that you wouldnt know what actions the US government/Pentagon would take against China. There are at least 9 simulations done that are suitable for action against China. The one you present is more like the one the US had planned for Iran. And the one they used in Afghanistan and Libya. But these did not go un-noticed by China or Russia. THe US did not bomb Libya or Afghanistan With their B2s without Russia or China knowing about it. What make you think they would be able to do it against China?

Even the run they did in 1999 in Europe(Kosovo) didnt go un noticed by Russia.

Would the Russians and the Chinese need to have a radar in the Pacific Ocean to spot a herd of B2s at 50 thousend feet flying towards Asia? Nop.

One thing you have missed out on so far is that Russia moved one of their military satellites between two of the US satellites used for airforce Communications. They moved in just 4 months before the Russia built their base in Syria.

PS. I have already posted this info With a link on ATS earlier.



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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

USAF - B52 fact sheet

Range: 8,800 miles

Deployment -
Minot ND Air Force base - distance from that base to China is 5939 miles one way.
Barksdale LA Air Force Base - distance from that base to China is 7200+/- miles one way.


They can take off from their US bases, fly non stop to drop their weapons and then fly to another base to land and refuel or they meet up with an aerial tanker, get some gas, and return to their home bases. They could also top off prior to their target, allowing a direct flight back home.

* - B-2 Stealth Bomber Range - Intercontinental.
* - B-1B Lancer - Range - Intercontinental.
* - F-111 Ardvark Range - 3400 +/-


Is that With a full load.

When the US used the B2s to bomb Libya they had to use 4 refules, when the departure was from the US.

Their alternative landing Places were Kypros, Germany and the UK.


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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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I think we are testing the waters. I mean now they are making these islands they may try to claim water further out to be considered international waters. Also our military may have concern what is going on the island. It could be anything from plants that handle highly toxic material to military and anti missile instillation. Regardless of all that we ignore the obvious and that is China has become an engineering empire. The vast construction between islands, bridges, buildings are incredible. When I compare it to America workforce we should be scared. Just watching a video on weibo of how they put some bridge up and the equipment and men they used was so impressive. When I put that into military context it was intimidating.


a reply to: Realtruth



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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If a aircraft carrier can run on nuclear power why couldn't a b2 or other stealth craft? One of the claims for Area 51 is some sort of toxic fuel source that anyone who works there signs papers of secrecy that even if you sued for getting cancer and odd sickness you can't. Any theories what that fuel would be? Or does regular jet fuel cause this?

a reply to: spy66



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
What China are doing is wrong.

If a fight starts for once it wont be the USA fault.

International maritime law is there for a reason and China should respect it.


Didn't you watch the video ..?
The USA is drilling 200 miles off Alaska's coast .. is that maritime international law to go that far and do what you want ..?
So it's ok for us, but not for others rite ..? one word .. hypocrisy ..! You can't go into someone else's back yard and bitch and wine about what should happen there ..

IridiumFlareMadness is correct above .. it's going to take something BIG to knock the people into their collective senses ..



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: spy66

Wow, so now communications satellites detect aircraft. That's amazing. Man I knew Russia could do anything but that's just amazing.

You're right there is no point in discussing it. You'll just come up with some other reason why Russia and China are the most incredible countries on earth and far more advanced than anyone else.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: junglimogli

A drilling platform is not, in any fashion, the same as a man made island with a big ass runway built on it.

A platform can land a helicopter. Not bombers that can interdict the local seaways should they choose to. Or fighters that can do the same to the airways. Or both, to do both. Not to mention the anchorage for small warships.

There is no comparison.

ETA: Nor is the US claiming it as sovereign territory, to my knowledge.
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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: ubernood
If The United States started building islands and claiming the waters around them people here would be outraged and call America evil or whatever else America gets called daily. People would call for another country to challenge the US.

China builds islands and claims waters nobody here cares. The United States for once does something good by challenging China's claim to free waters and America is once again evil and looking for a fight.

The amount of people here who hate The United States so much they would justify something like China's behavior is pathetic.



No America just:
1. Instigates civil unrest to install puppet governments (Egypt, Ukraine, etc)
2. Backs and supports al Qaeda and ISIS
3. Lies to go to war (Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, etc.)
4. Assassinates heads of state to install puppet governments (1950s through 1970s), culminating in the 1975 with the Church Committee to investigate intelligence activities.

Yeah, China is totally a bully. Hahahaha, that is rich. No wonder most Americans believe the bulls#!t line - "they hate us for our freedoms."



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: criticalhit
You're right.
There is absolutely no good reason to stop China from building artificial islands off of their coat.

It's like, what kind of world is this when a country can't even work on an experimental new concept without some asshat coming along to dictate some bs "law"

Get a f'n life

edit on 30-10-2015 by NowWhat because: china


Also, screw your sea lanes. Make a new one.

Can you really see a world were we attack them for building something cool? Over money? Over the bottom line?
F' it.
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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:50 PM
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a reply to: NowWhat

You missed the point.

#1 - They are not building "just off their coast".
#2 - Building artificial islands is fine.

Artificial islands don't create sovereign territory and by extension there is no 12 mile territorial boundary.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 05:35 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: NowWhat

You missed the point.

#1 - They are not building "just off their coast".
#2 - Building artificial islands is fine.

Artificial islands don't create sovereign territory and by extension there is no 12 mile territorial boundary.


In Your book it doesnt, but that has nothing to do With this at all. China will have that Island no matter what you claim and it will be there to further strengthen Chinas Territory. Even if the US in pease time vant to sail their millitary ships past the island in protest.

The US as a matter of fact do keep a distance already.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 05:44 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66

Wow, so now communications satellites detect aircraft. That's amazing. Man I knew Russia could do anything but that's just amazing.

You're right there is no point in discussing it. You'll just come up with some other reason why Russia and China are the most incredible countries on earth and far more advanced than anyone else.


You can make fun of it as much you want. Your dream theory wont come true.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: spy66

Like China you are also missing the point. If China attacks any vessels sailing through the area within the illegal 12 mile limit China claims, China will be starting a war with no leg to stand on.

Denounce the US all you want. Yours and China's dream theory on territorial sovereignty wont come true.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

International law trumps all... Isn't that what we're told anytime the US does anything in their own defense/interests???

Yet here is the US on the side of the angels according to international law...and suddenly international law is meaningless...

Doing 180 degree reversals like that must be painful.

China is clearly in the wrong, but don't count on some here ever admitting to that. The bias' run too deep.



posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: NowWhat

You missed the point.

#1 - They are not building "just off their coast".
#2 - Building artificial islands is fine.

Artificial islands don't create sovereign territory and by extension there is no 12 mile territorial boundary.


Personally I agree 100% China is making a bold move creating an island, and laying claim to it.

I think we can all see the slippery slope effect of this, if other nations see it's ok to create an island where ever they choose.

This is not only a US issue, but one that can effect all nations if island building becomes normal, and is over-looked by nearby countries.

China needs to be put in check, hopefully war will not happen.

But what does everyone think about the island that is already made?

1) China hands it over as an international port, or stop?

2) They get to keep it as long as it's not military?

3) The island must be removed?

4) They have to hand it over to nearby countries that already have islands in that area?

This is going to be interesting to see how everything plays out.
edit on 31-10-2015 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)







 
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