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Are We Looking For A Fight In The South China Sea?

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posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: crazyewok

I can't tell if they've been affected by cellphones or antidepressants ,with these answers.
Haven't we SAID China is playing the bully to phillipines Veitnam and Japan?


I think they have been so dissolutioned with the US government and there buffoonery everywhere else from south America to the middle east they just find it hard to believe the USA is in the right this time.

I would not blame them, blame the politicians for crying wolf.
edit on 29-10-2015 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

...and oil is what? It's a commodity. It's also moved by *gasp* ships. Ships travel in... *wait for it* ...shipping lanes. Well, by golly, you're right...it is about oil.

Huh...how about that.

It's also about TV's. Cars. Fish. ...oh, and any number of commodities, and trade, that travel through that area via ships, and also airplanes.

It's about oil... No kidding.

China is in violation of UN agreements that it signed onto long ago. Look past your bias to the truth of the matter. The U.S. has every right to enforce right of passage.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Sure but the issue revolves around how a communist country controls the media and how they sell it to the people. As has been pointed out the Chinese media is spinning these incidents by telling their people they have only built lighthouses and nothing else on the islands.

China lipped off about what would happen if the US sailed / flew by the areas in question. We did and China looked like a fool to their own people. China has a lot of internal issues right now and the Chinese government is backing themselves into a corner. Every time they they spout the propaganda the more they lose the ability to get out of this situation without starting a war.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

You mean if you sailed your ships within the 12 mile limit of the US just like China just did?

www.zerohedge.com...

news.usni.org...

And not a protest, or ships sent to follow them, or warnings issued, or ambassadors summoned. So yeah , you can shut it about that now.

China has no right to stop anyone from making innocent passage within 12 miles, even if they had a 12 mile limit, or if they were in the Chinese EEZ, which they're not.

It doesn't matter of that continental plate extends out there or not. That doesn't give China claim to everything on it any more than the US owns everything on our continental plate.

Funny that you call it a petition but China acknowledged it as law until they decided to take the resources in the area.
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posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I dont know.

China would likely still be able to spin it.

They could buzz your ships with jets and just claim they "chased" the USN away. Of course a lie, but as you said they own the media, they can spin it anyway they like really. Its not like they haven't come up with outlandish BS before.

At any rate I trust the USN not to be the ones to start the fight. If the worst happens its china fault.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

I doubt they will go that far.

They must know the USN would annihilate the chinese Navy.

The will just poke and poke then as soon as it gets to hot they will scurry off.


the USN?

Is that the same army that ran away from Vietnam? That had a stale mate in Korea? And those years, were actually the "good years" of the US army.

You don't have anymore "german" scientists, they've all passed away ... and Clarke and Schwarzkopf were the last of the ancient british/german commanders.

All you have now, are morons in your army ... that can't even figure out 9/11, get a clue in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Lybia. Can't figure out, where it's intel coming from and that's just the start.

Is that the Navy you're going to shoot down the Chinese with?

Yeah ... right. Luckily the Chinese won't risk confrontation. :-)



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Erm yeah.... we are talking navy and airforce here not army.
If a conflict broke out I doubt a single US solder would step foot on mainland china for obvious reasons, plus the fact the conflict will be centered on the disputed island so again it will be primarily a Navy concern.

Sorry but in the department of Navy's and airforce the USA will win hands down in a straight up fight with China.
There really is no contest.

There is a saying.

Better to say nothing and be fought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Just for your information...

Not that you'll listen, or read, in this case...

USN? That's United States Navy, not Army. ...and it wasn't running away in Vietnam. The army, or a large portion of it anyway, along with the other branches were pulled out...a quantifiable difference that even so bitter a hater as yourself should be able to figure out.

As for Korea? A negotiated settlement brought the fighting to an end, but only after China lost, at the least, several hundred thousand men, possibly more.

But you are right, China won't risk confrontation, because they know, at the moment, what the results would be. Guess what? It wouldn't end well for the Peoples Republic of China Army Navy. No matter that your fantasy tells you otherwise.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 06:14 PM
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Are we? Last I heard China made some island with what looks like a military installation right in the middle of international waters, where a major trade route runs through.

I wonder why China needs a an island that places them within striking distance of their neighbors when they have other means. Hmm, it could be a staging area for land invasions..



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: bjarneorn

Erm yeah.... we are talking navy and airforce here not army.
If a conflict broke out I doubt a single US solder would step foot on mainland china for obvious reasons, plus the fact the conflict will be centered on the disputed island so again it will be primarily a Navy concern.

Sorry but in the department of Navy's and airforce the USA will win hands down in a straight up fight with China.
There really is no contest.

There is a saying.

Better to say nothing and be fought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt


The US would loose a war With China in Asia. The US would probably pull their assets from all the islands that are within Chinese missile range. The same goes for the US Aircraft carriers.

The US are nothing but a hyped up military. The soldier who have to face the devestation are probably not even motivated to face China.


edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: spy66

According to who, praytell?



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 06:51 PM
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Much nonsense about some "Law" which is in quotes because there is no actual "Law" there isn't truly a world Govt.

Let's get down to the real of it.

The world moves forward on technology and Innovation and has done so in a massive way since the Industrial era began, most of you are in the positions your in, comfort, dominant Military, etc etc et al because of that.

The problem now... is America has been ruled by a "non industrious" class of people for all too long, When America was Great we built the worlds greatest Dam the Hoover, we didn't cry if the spotted wogley Fish lived there or whatever dumb crap we fret today post the 60's lived there, at the turn of the century we didn't debate the building of skyscrapers, if it was "okay" to blow out the Panama Canal and how much Coal we burned didn't matter and we became "For a time" the greatest nation on Earth. If you apply yourself to the FUTURE you get a FUTURE

You guys can debate the Chinese vs the US Military all you want, 6 years ago, the first time I came to ATS before dropping out a while "There was no debate" even saying China would rise was still laughable... now it's different

Another Decade of this there will again be no Debate, except in regrds to us winning anything, call them wussies if they back down they wont for ever and when they stop backing down it will be because they can wipe us off the map.

China is TERRAFORMING, China is moving Forward, it isn't about raw numbers either it's the willingness, China is being the USA better than the USA is, a century ago we built the Trains and skyscrapers and pioneered free HS, were acquiring new Territory left and right and building Factories.... Today we build Transgender bathrooms and cry about bs.

China IS kicking the entire Wests collective Arse... the end.

Your living in nations getting nothing done, Shanghi is the new NY, building Islands when the Earth is 2/3rds water is the REAL answer to population, the step after that is the Moon and Mars and in the West we are a bunch of sissies giving Nasa almost no money of substance while the Chinese have plans to mine the moon for what they need for generation 2 Fusion reactors before generation one has even been built...

America, Westerners "Wake up" your living in the past and from the dreaded "Elite" down to the lowest peon your spoiled and worried about luxuries and to the 90th% won't get your hands dirty let alone your lawns and you ARE loosing and loosing badly. You gave the world free education and now wont pay for Universities or Teachers, you gave the world modern cities and now it takes over a Decade after 9-11 to build a new building and it pales before even Islamic technophobe nations, you harnessed the Earth and took control of water and now you tear those structures down for bs reasons, you connected East to West and now don't have a single Bullet Train, you went to the Moon... and never went back lol

China is building Islands, that is illegal, waaaaaaaa

Where the hell do you think people will go without buildings, power and Terraforming... 3 Gorges tilted the world on it's Axis! We are all still here. Stop being a bunch of mary's and get going again, the 60's thought process made us into Idiots, we have an Internet we use it for copyright infringement debates and porn, we back down from savages in the Middle East and make pals with them.

China is who you USED to have the balls to be. Now people oppose 3-d printing because Walmart will loose jobs lol when every damn thing in the store is made in China anyway and you accept that in exchange for minimum wage jobs?

Do you know why they are building a new Canal in Central America, it's not because they are out to get you it's because you lacked the WILL to do it yourself and that is the ONLY debate on Island building too.

Like America in WW2 China wont enter the fight until it KNOWS it will win and then you and your loved ones will DIE horrible deaths and there is no other story unless you change. Your moronic rifles wont save you from Drones, your Amazing Navy will be replaced one day by miniature drones under the water or some form of INNOVATION that is a game changer, you know a game changer like we used to do when we built the first A-Bomb and there is absolutely NO WAY you can avoid that fate when the next guy has 5x as many Engineers at work and makes sure the smart kids go to school while you have no child left behind these guys elevate geniuses, while you call bernie a Socialist for wanting Free College MY KID lost the gifted program as part of the school system, we worry about the welfare of the lowest common denominator in our society they hand pick brilliance from birth and give them steroids to be in the Olympics for shiz and giggles before sending them to OUR schools to bring home PHD's while our kids can't afford to attend them...

The American people are all about bs 60's Values.

Let's give a poetic moment so you Understand how backwards you have become... Lance Armstrong was literally castrated for what?

Using Science to enhance performance? They feed that crap to infants, smart drugs will be in their schools lunch menus we will throw kids out of school for self improvement, they will embrace cyrbernetic and genetic engineering and ARE, we wont allow Stem Cell treatments at the doctors office to save lives, they will burn the coal we will die of the Cancer to support monopolies making money off of it, we sterilize our kids and turn them gay via they food with 1.5 Billion people they just doubled the number of kids they can have and yeah... are starting to build islands to house them.

That's all the Chinese are doing here... it's not a crime. You sit back and are INTIMIDATED by technology, are either religious idiots or live in some BS Gaia worshiping crap where you're 100% sure technology wont fix your problems which is Religion over Science, you can claim your an Atheist but when building a factory assures you you're destroying the Earth your a primitive spiritualist as Bad as any monotheist of extremity any day and that wont keep you on top.

The American list of grievances is as bad as Islams and that is what the route your on will bring, a desert that is filled with backwards people, it's embarrassing that when China builds Islands, instead of saying "How do we do that and beat them at their own game" We risk ending all life on Earth to try to stop something that is our only hope long term... it is no different than Iran being willing to start WW3 over religion, it's shameful, boooo, booo on you for becoming a primitive

There is an answer to China building a few small Islands, it's going out and building a new State on the Eastern shelf somewhere and harnessing the Ocean to power the whole country not risking all life on Earth because suddenly you want to live in the past.

We will NOT be able to defeat China soon, there is no debate. They will dust us when Universities like Berkeley cost 150 G to graduate and put out 25,000 social workers and only 142 programmers.






edit on 29-10-2015 by criticalhit because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Bagdad Bob all over again.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spy66

According to who, praytell?


It is common sense. The US fleet and bases in Asia would be swarmed With cruice and balistic missiles.

The US would pull out their moste valuable assets and would not be able to retaliate in a maner that would be needed to defeet China, and probably Russia.

At the Moment the US dont really have any support from their allies to engage in a military conflict With China. The cost is way to high. The US dont have the assets to take on China in Asia on their own. The US probably dont have the Money or the motivation from the american people to take on China either.
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posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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The US is doing what it always does when any nation tries to claim waters that they challenge it. And it always goes the same. This is not the first time the US has done this with China and the results are always the same. China of course does not want this issue to go to any international court as it will lose. China acknowledged the current laws of the sea by sighing both the agreement and the convention. So legally China has no leg to stand on so the go this route.

Internationally of course nobody is going to support them. The precedent set would be disastrous. A great Naval power like the US could start building artificial islands in key strategic areas that could nations completely off from access to the free trade at a global level. And every country could it within their region.

China'sd does not have a realistic military option. If the US,Japan and India were not backing and supporting the other states in the region that might work. China however can not challenge the US and would be hard pressed to challenge Japan or India either. Combined those three with ASEAN make it impossible for China to even have a chance in a conflict.

So China can not win in a court, it can win with direct military action and in can not win with diplomatic action. So its only hope is to try and care off the other powers in the region, ignore the US when it challenges it and hope none other regional powers pushes the issue.

And if the US was looking for a fight in the South China Sea it would simply seize and destroy the China's artificial structures and see what China did about it.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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We don't have to just your lauch site which are already targetted,all CNC,bases ,ports We'd probably leave army suff alone cause WE wouldn't need to land at all.
Subs are standing by.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: works4dhs
Chin is a bully. If you let a bully get away with taking something he'll keep on taking until he's stopped (see Hitler, Adolf).
the way to deal with is, stop him and stand up to him right away (Berlin Airlift).



So America has to stay the biggest bully on the block? China trying to take our spot! Can't have that!



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: spy66

Neglecting the fact that the U.S. has the same weapons? ...and vastly more, unfortunately, experience at it.

Their missiles can not reach Guam, while bombers from CONUS staging through Guam can most assuredly reach them.

The US Navy and Air Force are numbers two and one in the worlds most powerful Air Forces. Couple that with allies from Japan. India. Australia. ...and assorted other allies who all stand to lose if China goes unchecked. China's surface navy is no match for the USN. Sixth Fleet is the big dog on the block.

Economically, China is a match, or nearly so, for the US. Militarily? While the gap has closed, it's still rather large. Again, couple that with allies who are, together, nearly a match for China? There is no way China wins conventionally. Nuclear? Well, there's really no winner there at all.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
We don't have to just your lauch site which are already targetted,all CNC,bases ,ports We'd probably leave army suff alone cause WE wouldn't need to land at all.
Subs are standing by.


This week at least...

How did the Soviet Union fall? Unable to spend the money to keep up.

How much longer will the USA be able to maintain this military while trying to compete against 1.5 Billion potential workers.

How long do we keep superiority with a 19 trillion debt, multiple engagements around the world and against someone building scientists at 5x the speed you are?

You're right for the moment, but they don't think in the moment.



posted on Oct, 29 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

You are so full of it. The US couldnt build a island like the Chinese are doing even if they wanted to....the US are broke. The US cant even afford to have their assets in one of the worlds hotspots at the moment.

You must be an american who dont see how week you have become. And that is a danger to all of us. But mostly for you and Your kind.

By the way, You american are the last who should cry about international Law or even human rights or any laws at all for that mater. You have broken them all in the name of: The Interests Of The Uniteded States Of America.

Wake up. You are a moderator.



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