Are We Looking For A Fight In The South China Sea?

originally posted by: works4dhs
Chin is a bully. If you let a bully get away with taking something he'll keep on taking until he's stopped (see Hitler, Adolf).
the way to deal with is, stop him and stand up to him right away (Berlin Airlift).

Very well said!!

China is a COMMIE BULLY and that is very dangerous for the world. This bully has to be stopped on the tracks immediately.

a reply to: criticalhit

They are pushing their borders. Basically occupying international waters=> narrowing the trading routes.

a reply to: victor7

Other nations hold multiple Islands there as well.

China isn't stopping any trade, it would be foolish for them economically to do so.

I think people should actually take a hard look at China's armed forces and available troops and their buying power.

www.globalfirepower.com...

If The United States started building islands and claiming the waters around them people here would be outraged and call America evil or whatever else America gets called daily. People would call for another country to challenge the US.

China builds islands and claims waters nobody here cares. The United States for once does something good by challenging China's claim to free waters and America is once again evil and looking for a fight.

The amount of people here who hate The United States so much they would justify something like China's behavior is pathetic.

a reply to: Realtruth

5 Major Threats to World Peace, Development and Progress

a) ISIS and fanatic Islam
b) Pakistan's Nuclear proliferation i.e. selling nukes in semi and completed state to the highest bidder
c) Commie China's territorial expansion and resources capturing ambitions
d) US and allies poking their nose in other countries and conducting regime change designs
e) Drug trade across the globe poisoning the veins and souls of anyone and everyone victimized

These 5 variables have to be contained and in some cases "exterminated" mainly a), b) and e)

Beyond these 5 factors, world has a brighter future!

a reply to: Realtruth

Yes china is going to start a war over the south china sea.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Realtruth

Yes china is going to start a war over the south china sea.

Then people in the USA better get prepared for something that maybe more than they can handle. China is a sleeping giant and the USA hasn't had a very good military victory record for decades.

We also gave China Long Beach Naval Air Base, the only major deep water port that can take large ships on the west coast in 2000.

Large corporate and political interests have sold the USA out on many fronts. China has a surplus of money and manufacturing everywhere there. The USA has been gutted slowly of it's ability to produce since the implementation of NAFTA.

We have a coward for an President that never served a day in the military, and secretaries of state deleting servers, and lying about it. We look like a joke because of our current MO, and other world powers are testing us politically and militarily.

idk what to think these days because the lack of cohesion in the ranks, on every level.

a reply to: Realtruth

Other nations hold multiple Islands there as well.

China isn't stopping any trade, it would be foolish for them economically to do so.

I think people should actually take a hard look at China's armed forces and available troops and their buying power.

And those nations haven't violated UN convention laws of the sea like China has done.

China is violating UNCLOS articles 192 and 123, which are on the protection of the marine environment, especially in enclosed and semi-enclosed seas such as the South China Sea. Article 192 states that “States have the obligation to protect and preserve the marine environment”, while article 123 requires the countries bordering an enclosed sea to “coordinate the implementation of their rights and duties with respect to the protection and preservation of the marine environment”. While each of the parties in the Spratlys dispute would naturally think that it, and it alone, has the rights to build on the disputed islands and reefs, it is undeniable that they all have a duty to protect and preserve the marine environment of the semi-enclosed and environmentally vulnerable South China Sea.

amti.csis.org...

You just can't build islands anywhere you want in protected waters on protected reefs.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h


Then maybe the USA is looking to start a war.

Reason could be to negate all Debt to China.

Many the USA should impose trade sanctions on everything coming and going to China first, and see where that gets them.

Let's see "Hey China surrender the island or you force us to impose full trade sanctions" I'll bet China would be out of there in 24 hours, if not hit them with negation of all our debt.

If we are going to go to war with China we need to make it hurt on every level, but I have a feeling the USA doesn't have the backbone.

a reply to: crazyewok

I can't tell if they've been affected by cellphones or antidepressants ,with these answers.
Haven't we SAID China is playing the bully to phillipines Veitnam and Japan?

a reply to: Realtruth

You guys are always wrong on these things ... you are so blown up with the US fantasy of military might, you can't see your own didly.

This has to do with oil, not the trade lanes ... and historically, the south China sea, is the responsibility of China ... period. Bing a bong, nothing more to say about it. The US is playing the "West India Company" in this manner, boasting "opium" as trade ... literally.

In this particular issue, China is 100% correct. And as somebody pointed out, China should actually stand up for themselves for once. They won't of course, they'll back down to the US as most people do to "insane" maniacs. And, to be perfectly honest ... this "backing down" is wrong. And I'll tell you why ... because if the US isn't confronted, and it's allies ... they won't stop ... the middle east, is just a way point. And its going to end with us having to erase the U out of the US from this planet. We have on one side, a confrontation that may cause hundreds of thousands of lives, and the US will lose it's position in Asia ... or on the other hand, sooner or later ... millions, maybe even hundreds of millions of lives lost.

Even if we didn't "erase the U from the US", and just allow it to go about it's insanity. They won't stop ... next stop North Korea, that's only a way point to Russia and China. China will sooner or later, face it's doom by the "insanity" of US policy.

It's time to end their perpetual war, and tell these bosos to go solve their own mental problems at home.

a reply to: bjarneorn

So you can point out where the law says they can restrict travel around these islands, and that they have the right to set up a 12 mile limit, right? Or where it says they can stop anyone from traveling through a 12 mile limit, right?

a reply to: bjarneorn

Says the socialist about the BURGOUIS American capitalists.
NOT really ,just playing cops and robbers when the robbers try to kick down the door.

a reply to: Realtruth

Then people in the USA better get prepared for something that maybe more than they can handle. China is a sleeping giant and the USA hasn't had a very good military victory record for decades.

As far as China being something that the US can't handle...never happen.

Sleeping giant you say...if the US were to invade China's mainland then there would be problems, but if it were to become a mainly Naval battle they wouldn't have a chance.

We also gave China Long Beach Naval Air Base, the only major deep water port that can take large ships on the west coast in 2000.

Actually we leased it to the Chinese, but that was stopped by Republicans...but in the end they lease it out to a South Korean shipping firm.

After review by the DoD and CIA, the lease went through, at an agreed-upon payment of $14.5 million per year from the Chinese, with renewal scheduled after ten years.[3] However, continued controversy and opposition by Republican lawmakers caused cancellation of the lease, and the new cargo terminal, which was in fact built by the Long Beach Harbor Department (Port of Long Beach), was leased to the Hanjin Shipping Company, a South Korean firm, which continues to be the terminal's primary customer and major partner.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Realtruth

Uhm ok.... no


China just lost in the Hague.

Hague court agrees to take up South China Sea row

UNCLOS, which the Philippines and China both signed and ratified, establishes the procedure for countries with conflicting claims. China refused the Philippines initial request for arbitration so they filed a complaint (about 15 in total dealing with the region - China and other nations in the region) under UNCLOS. The Hague ruled they have jurisdiction in the matter, which torqued China off. China's response to the suit was to argue the court had no jurisdiction.

China's position -

China insists it has sovereign rights to nearly all of the South China Sea, a strategic waterway through which about a third of all the world's traded oil passes.

So far 7 of the 15 claims have been accepted by the court. The remaining are to be refined by the submitting countries and resubmitted.

China's response -

China has said it will not abide by any ruling.

So again China is responsible for the escalation in the South China Sea.

China would not win in a war against the US. Any attack on the US by China is an attack on NATO. Secondly the port is still owned and operated by the Port of Longbeach. Considering it sits next to the Port of Los Angeles, which is the busiest port in the western hemisphere, and the fact the lease you are referring to occurred back in the early 1990s, I don't see how its relevant to what we are discussing.

Leading up to, and then through WW2, Imperial Japan had this plan called The Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. The concept was to establish Japanese control in critical areas of the Pacific to assure a constant flow of raw materials as well as uninhibited military and commercial shipping.

China is today, basically, seeking to establish the same by first, claiming the Spratlys; which is an island-collective claimed by numerous Asian nations and also, one of the most critical commercial shipping lanes in the region.

The Philippines quietly approached the US to put a stop to it but... we initially did nothing. The result was that China was able to complete most of the construction required to turn what was once, basically, sand bars and coral reefs into naval and air bases.

As of a few days ago, the US sent a single destroyer through the area now claimed by China. The Philippines thanked us what basically amounted to an... 'okay, we did it'. event. The current US administration has no desire whatsoever to do much of anything to assist in protecting allies and/or maintaining open international sea lanes.

In a nutshell, between GHW Bush and Bill Clinton, the US industrial complex was allowed to skip to Asia... mostly China, leaving this nation with a middle class that has since become extinct and a government with but a fraction of its former revenue base, to support itself financially.

The red ink grows and grows and someday, it's gonna bleed back down over this entire nation. But... for now, we are heavily dependent on the... um, People's Republic of China, which should be, in my humble opinion, a crime.

The US may putt-out a few more passages by sea or air but we're in no-way, whatsoever, anywhere near ready for anything else... nor with the leadership should it ever demand more.

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a reply to: Realtruth

Then maybe the USA is looking to start a war.

No they are letting China know they are violating UN laws of the sea.

You can't just create an island on top of protected marine habitats in international waters.

Good, come over and fight us then. I am tired of listening about it. I know I will take out at least 100 myself. The cookie cut hive minders are going to run into a extremely large group of independent thinking armed angry American adult men who will do nothing to stop coming with tactics hive minders cant comprehend. 24 hours a day rain, dark, snow, we will come at you never ending until your in the ground. Just start that fire. 120 million American guys ages 15-57 going from nice guys down the street to the psycho killers. GOOD LUCK CHIN.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: bjarneorn

So you can point out where the law says they can restrict travel around these islands, and that they have the right to set up a 12 mile limit, right? Or where it says they can stop anyone from traveling through a 12 mile limit, right?

Who do you think you are, GOD? You decide whose to pee in their backyard, and who won't? Because you got some idiots in the UN, to write under a petition ... you think that's law? Even if I "agree" to such things, in a general way ... there are exceptions, where I won't honor it. And this is one of them.

Have you looked at a map lately? can you see the "light blue" ground around that island, that stretches towards China and Vietnam? It's the continental plate ... your "petition" doesn't apply here. Because it's a "reef" that is sticking up from the extended continental mass, called "land", and usually referred to as Asia. It's part of their landmass.

And even if that wasn't the case ... who are you to sail across the world, and claim this for yourself? This is China's backyard, and you are sailing your warships around the globe to claim them for yourself? You don't see it that way do you ... you really don't get it.

Have you any idea, how much deaths you have caused in Asia? millions, tens of millions ... do you have any idea of the environmental damage you have caused in the Area, and that isn't reported in your news outlet. Do you? You don't have a clue ...

Let me try to give you a hint, or a clue ... if I sailed my warship (well, lets just claim I have one for arguments sake) to the coast of the US ... to your backyard, my nuclear armed vessel ... me being your enemy. Even if I stayed on "commercial" routes there, with my Military Vessel ... you think you'd let me? fat chance!

As I said, the Chinese are 100% correct on this issue ... they SHOULD nuke the US if that's what it takes to stop the US. But what they SHOULD and WILL do are two entirely different things. But "fortunately" for all of us, the Chinese are peaceful, which is more than can be said about the US/Britain ... so "opium" and other not-so-environment-friendly activities will continue in Asia.

So, "cheer" up old chap! The US will be "victorius" once more ... because no one dares to challenge their madness!

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Realtruth

Yes china is going to start a war over the south china sea.

I doubt they will go that far.

They must know the USN would annihilate the chinese Navy.

The will just poke and poke then as soon as it gets to hot they will scurry off.