It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: deadeyedick
You asked:
How are his views any different than the current potus
And in reply I showed you that Obama believes in evolutionary theory, he is not a creationist like Ben Carson.
As you can see, Obama's views are different when compared to Ben Carson's.
you can be Christian but not jewish if you accept evolution. Nothing in new testament contradicts evolution, the old testament does tho. But Jesus came and let us know the real facts not the pagan superstitions in old testament.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: deadeyedick
You asked:
How are his views any different than the current potus
And in reply I showed you that Obama believes in evolutionary theory, he is not a creationist like Ben Carson.
As you can see, Obama's views are different when compared to Ben Carson's.
So can he be Christian and still believe in evolution solely?
You have proven again that Obama is a liar.
I think a major point you all miss is that history has shown us that a president can be a Christian without burning sciences at the stake.
No one wants to completely remove the theory of evolution but the pro evo crowd has shown that they would be just fine accepting evolution as being an absolute fact and that is far dangerous than any belief carson holds.
No one wants to completely remove the theory of evolution but the pro evo crowd has shown that they would be just fine accepting evolution as being an absolute fact and that is far dangerous than any belief carson holds.
where would you get grain silo pyramids from if you were reading the bible?
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: deadeyedick
You asked if we had proof the pyramids weren't used for grain storage, as some sort of attempt to show that means that they could have been used as grain storage.
I suggested that since we have no proof Stonehenge was used as a picknick spot, that it could have been a picknick spot.
I'm following your lines of logic ...
No you are not following my line of logic.
The thing you forgot is that the theory had roots in a biblical interpretation and the Stonehenge concept was born from your own imagination. I get the point you make unfairly.
originally posted by: HorusChrist
where would you get grain silo pyramids from if you were reading the bible?
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: deadeyedick
You asked if we had proof the pyramids weren't used for grain storage, as some sort of attempt to show that means that they could have been used as grain storage.
I suggested that since we have no proof Stonehenge was used as a picknick spot, that it could have been a picknick spot.
I'm following your lines of logic ...
we will have to ask ben I suppose. I am not really a big supporter of the idea as a reason the pyramids were created but I have read some threads on here where folks have shown the reasoning biblically based. If I had a gun to my head and had to guess weather or not grain was ever stored in the pyramids I would say yes and hope for life. It is highly plausible that they stored grain but not so much that that was a sole purpose.
No you are not following my line of logic.
The thing you forgot is that the theory had roots in a biblical interpretation and the Stonehenge concept was born from your own imagination. I get the point you make unfairly.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Let's not forget there is very little historical evidence that the Jewish people were slaves and built the pyramids in the first place.
In U.S. Army Intelligence, I was trained that the truth most often lies in the exact opposite direction of the public rhetoric. You must learn this technique if you are to successfully glean the truth from news reports.
LEARNING TO THINK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF PROPAGANDA
"History is more or less bunk." ~ Henry Ford
"The falsification of history has done more to impede human development than any one thing known to mankind" ~ Rousseau
“The biggest cover-up in the history of mankind is the history of mankind itself”
“There are two histories: official history, lying, and then secret history, where you find the real causes of events.” ~ Honoré de Balzac
originally posted by: Nichiren
Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew. During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.
In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same. Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".
originally posted by: pthena
The original Jews were the people from the Babylonian Captivity who didn't want to return to Judea, because they enjoyed the benefits of Babylonian and Persian culture. They aren't Israelites or Judeans. They are Babylonians. There is no mention of Jews until Esther. They didn't exist until Esther.
originally posted by: sweftl337
The word “Jew” never existed in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and Jesus spoke mostly Greek and Aramaic. First of all, if we go back some 2000 years, there were no Jews. There was a land known as “Judea” and in that land lived many different peoples. The people of Moses were the Hebrew Israelites – there was no Jew.
“Judaism as we know it today did not exist before Christ. Before Christ, there was only the faith of the Israelites, until by a gradual process, the pure faith of the Israelites was subverted by corrupt teachings. These corrupt teachings were transmitted orally by the Pharisees. Christ condemned these teachings when calling them the ‘traditions of the elders.’”
Judaism Discovered
"The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drove the Jews from Elath.
Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written?
It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first "Jews" were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel."
Who was the First Jew?
The late Rabbi Stephen F. Wise, formerly the Chief Rabbi of the United States said, "The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud mark the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism."
The learned Rabbi was correct in distinguishing the true religion of the Old Testament as Hebrewism for it was the religion of the real Hebrews, who were not Jews at all. Judaism, the religion of the Jews, is as the learned Rabbi says, based upon the Babylonian Talmud, which contains the supposed oral law. It was never reduced to writing as part of the Bible. This oral law gradually gained greater force among the Jews than the written law in the Bible, with which it often conflicted in Jesus' day, the Babylonian Talmud was known as the Tradition of the Elders.
The Bible is not a Jewish Book
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: deadeyedick
No one wants to completely remove the theory of evolution but the pro evo crowd has shown that they would be just fine accepting evolution as being an absolute fact and that is far dangerous than any belief carson holds.
No they have not, that is just what the deniers like to say.
Even if people did think that, it still wouldn't be as dangerous as holding on to fundamental religious beliefs.
why'd you say it has roots in biblical interpretation then
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: HorusChrist
where would you get grain silo pyramids from if you were reading the bible?
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: deadeyedick
You asked if we had proof the pyramids weren't used for grain storage, as some sort of attempt to show that means that they could have been used as grain storage.
I suggested that since we have no proof Stonehenge was used as a picknick spot, that it could have been a picknick spot.
I'm following your lines of logic ...
we will have to ask ben I suppose. I am not really a big supporter of the idea as a reason the pyramids were created but I have read some threads on here where folks have shown the reasoning biblically based. If I had a gun to my head and had to guess weather or not grain was ever stored in the pyramids I would say yes and hope for life. It is highly plausible that they stored grain but not so much that that was a sole purpose.
No you are not following my line of logic.
The thing you forgot is that the theory had roots in a biblical interpretation and the Stonehenge concept was born from your own imagination. I get the point you make unfairly.
we will have to ask ben I suppose. I am not really a big supporter of the idea as a reason the pyramids were created but I have read some threads on here where folks have shown the reasoning biblically based. If I had a gun to my head and had to guess weather or not grain was ever stored in the pyramids I would say yes and hope for life. It is highly plausible that they stored grain but not so much that that was a sole purpose.
The theory seems to be that the pyramids were created to store the grain and the mummies were scarecrows.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: deadeyedick
No one wants to completely remove the theory of evolution but the pro evo crowd has shown that they would be just fine accepting evolution as being an absolute fact and that is far dangerous than any belief carson holds.
No they have not, that is just what the deniers like to say.
Even if people did think that, it still wouldn't be as dangerous as holding on to fundamental religious beliefs.
Well the recent comments that creationist should not be teachers does not help. The push to remove all mentions of opposing theories from schools shows that indeed some minds are completely made up on the subject and action should be taken to remove other trains of thought. I would have to say that your comment represents only a small portion of the evo's.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Again you post such as though I just crawled from under a rock and decided to ramble on with no knowledge whatso ever.
You are pretty bold to try to get people to believe that creationism was never taught in a public school.
I myself went to school for a few months and was indeed taught creationism along with evolution.
Speak for yourself and not the whole world.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Again you post such as though I just crawled from under a rock and decided to ramble on with no knowledge whatso ever.
You are pretty bold to try to get people to believe that creationism was never taught in a public school.
I myself went to school for a few months and was indeed taught creationism along with evolution.
Speak for yourself and not the whole world.
Ok, I can't speak for fringe Christian schools that do it, but I CAN speak about overall school curriculums, especially public school curriculums. It was never a valid topic in public schools. Some public schools have attempted to add these curriculums to the teaching schedule, but court rulings keep saying no.
They were never taught to begin with.
It was never a valid topic in public schools.
theory of creation
In order to deny ignorance, you have to realize just how ignorant you are.