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Ben Carson is a Creationist

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I'm guessing you are talking about the New Deal. I applaud it, still do think it was a brilliant idea.
Put the people to work building things - the Civilian Conservation Corps, for example. Our country is FULL of lakes created by those men - and we all certainly enjoy our state parks and lakes.

We need to improve our infrastructure - not be bribing other countries into "friendship" with us, when so many people are suffering. For example, all of the foreclosed and now abandoned homes could be rehabbed by those out of work, providing the homeless with not only pride in a job well done, but being stakeholders. What are we going to do with all the empty buildings?

At the very least, buildings that are too old to renovate (like warehouses that are no longer "up to code") can be taken apart and the materials used for rehabbing those that are salvageable or building "new" structures with the reclaimed materials.

I don't want Hillary, either. I don't trust her.

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I'm guessing you are talking about the New Deal.

No. Later. NASA, and the Apollo missions.

There has been no other sweeping programs, lasting presidencies and congresses, with broad societal benefits, since 1958.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs


I don't "not believe in God", first of all. 
I'm an agnostic. 


......so you do "do believe in God"?

Or are you saying you're an agnostic atheist?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: SonOfThor


However, I put people like you and Sanders supporters in the same category. A statist fundamentalist is just as dangerous, if not more dangerous than a theocratic fundamentalist. History is proof of that.

I suspect that's because you don't really understand what Sanders is talking about, and don't really intend to investigate it.
At least I have the nerve to read up on these GOP guys and see what they are about.

They are free to persuade me - yet they fail over and over. I've made several points in several threads about things I agree with that some of them have said.

Have you actually LOOKED at Sanders ideas, or have you just bought into the asinine idea that he's a communist? Because, he's not.

I actually think that it should be up to the states. If some states want to go 'democratic socialist' and others don't - fine. We are still (in theory) free to move from state to state. That would be the best way to "try it on". Like Brownback has decided to "try on" the Dominionist ideology (and that is fact) - and Kansas is now in deep trouble.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: Prezbo369

I am agnostic - I DON'T KNOW.
If God or Jesus shows up at any time in my conscious existence, here or in the ethereal "other world", I'll say, "Hey! Wow, so - you really are here!"

Meanwhile, I think all we can do is muddle through our lives NOT KNOWING.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

The year I was born. 1958. I recall watching the moon landing on tv, and my dad filming it with an 8mm camera in our living room.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
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So - you guys are fine with a person who has no experience in office, who believes literally in the Genesis account of how life developed, to run this nation?


Wow.

Okay, I started the thread, and I'm going to leave it here - and see what everyone else has to say about this.

Just want to leave a small aside note here: THEOCRATS are trouble.



I'm wondering what drives your thought process here. The fact that he believes in something you don't doesn't make him wrong (or you wrong). The argument about proving Jesus or God is also irrelevant, as neither are disproved either. Finally, many Christians have led this country to great things, or grown businesses into great things. What you seem to miss is that people can separate personal religious beliefs from business decisions.

Also...comparing to ISIS? Perhaps on the simplest level - "both believe in a religion", but as far as their decisions? Give me a break. That's like comparing you to any other athiest - both believe a similar theme, but you likely live very different lives.

Anyways, I digress. Ben Carson would be a brilliant leader. What the country needs is someone different with no political experience.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: stolencar18

I'm not an atheist. I'm not an atheist. I am not an atheist. Get it?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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It's always interesting when a politician asks people to compare his beliefs to a country (Denmark and others) when that country can't stand up and have a voice in things.

I wonder if the Danes are happy and thriving under their system...



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: stolencar18

They are, and if you did your homework, you'd know that.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

The point remains the same. Why can't you overlook the semantics and see the concept?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If you were truly agnostic, it would not mater to you what people believe or do not believe. You would simply be skeptical of either side.

Instead, you've shown quite well though out this thread, that you tend to take a dim view of any who do believe in their religions or feel that parts of their religious beliefs are true.

If you were a TRUE agnostic, you would feel the same way about any atheist.

I'm sorry, but you have taken a side and it's quite obvious.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: stolencar18

What semantics? Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, who by his own accounts was a "bad boy" who "made good" and is now a published author - is also a Six-Days creationist who doesn't trust science and thinks "Satan" made up Darwinian theories.

Are you saying he can be POTUS and not allow those "beliefs" to clutter up his Oval Office and policy decisions?

That's why the comparison to ISIS - these people want to FORCE Christianity on the rest of us. Just like ISIS is forcing non-Shiite muslims and Chrsitans to kowtow to their "religious ideas."

You can hate me all you want - and continue to misconstrue what I say, or Sanders says, and dismiss the fact that the Scandinavian "Nordic Model" works, and insist that "trickle-down economics" actually works (when it is very apparent that it DOES NOT WORK).....but it won't change the fact that our nation is losing ground, bribing other countries, and allowing corporate interests to BUY OUR LEADERS.

If nothing else, Sanders at least has the integrity to refuse funding from "special interests". He's not "bought and paid for".

That alone, makes him worthy of an audience.


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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I just love how some can so easily predict who is capable of running an entire nation because of a belief system. Even funnier that their whole justification is based on who believes or doesn't believe like they do.

All this thread proves is that the OP has an issue with Christianity.

Honestly, is anyone really prepared to run a country without having already done so? A governor would be as close as one could get.

One should look for leaders with an ability to work together, draw consensus, use solid judgement, critical thinking and common sense. And the minute that individual shows favoritism to corporate interests, they should be dismissed, as they are no longer working for the American people.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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One should look for leaders with an ability to work together, draw consensus, use solid judgement, critical thinking and common sense. And the minute that individual shows favoritism to corporate interests, they should be dismissed, as they are no longer working for the American people.

Exactly.



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: TerminalVelocity


If you were truly agnostic, it would not mater to you what people believe or do not believe. You would simply be skeptical of either side.

It doesn't matter to me, as long as they keep it to themselves, refrain from indoctrinating children, and stop trying to infuse our country with their "beliefs".



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well the question was whether you "do believe in God"?

It wasn't "do you know if God exists"?

I'm not sure why people are so hesitant to simply say they lack belief or they don't believe?



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
So being a creationist means one is incapable of leadership? Don't crack open a history book you may be disappointed.


No let's crack open a recent news clip and see that Carson himself believes a Muslim shouldn't be president.

It appears that Religious beliefs do effect this mans thinking.

www.cnn.com...



Washington (CNN)Ben Carson says the United States should not elect a Muslim president. "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that," the retired neurosurgeon and Republican presidential candidate said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." Carson's comment comes on the heels of GOP front-runner Donald Trump taking a question from an campaign rally attendee who said, "We have a problem in this country; it's called Muslims."

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: TerminalVelocity


If you were truly agnostic, it would not mater to you what people believe or do not believe. You would simply be skeptical of either side.

It doesn't matter to me, as long as they keep it to themselves, refrain from indoctrinating children, and stop trying to infuse our country with their "beliefs".


Thank you! You just proved my point: you have picked a side.

If you truly did not care, you would not care at ALL. If you were truly agnostic, you would not care if someone preached their religion, as you would believe that it is completely up to the individual to make up their mind.

I see that you did NOT say that you also feel it's wrong for atheists to preach as well. Your lack of saying that speaks VOLUMES of what it is you truly are.

You are not agnostic. If you were, it would not mater at all what Carson or ANY political runner thinks or believes in as far as religion goes.

There have been many world leaders in the past, and many great scientist in the past who were religious or held religious beliefs.....



posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: TerminalVelocity

So a person cannot be a secular agnostic?



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