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originally posted by: Plotus
An international nuclear exchange......... nobody wins...
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Plotus
Yeah, everyone would DIE.
We want to WIN,not die.
Perhaps the last to die.... those in submarines. There is no win....... win what? Everybody dies.
originally posted by: StargateSG7
BEIJING — A state-run Chinese newspaper has claimed
the country is "not afraid to fight a war" with the U.S.
"In face of the U.S. harassment, Beijing should deal
with Washington tactfully and prepare for the worst,"
according to the editorial in the Global Times, which
came just a day after an American destroyer sailed
into disputed waters in an open challenge to Beijing.
The newspaper is known to represent the more extreme
and nationalistic views of China's political establishment.
"This can convince the White House that China, despite
its unwillingness, is not afraid to fight a war with the
U.S. in the region, and is determined to safeguard its
national interests and dignity," it added.
WebLink to Story on NBC News:
It looks like china is NOW WILLING to START A WAR
with the USA because the high-level leadership
now thinks the USA has become WEAK militarily
and politically on the world stage!
There will be DIRE CONSEQUENCIES if the
USA does not fix it's current educational,
economic and military standards with
regards to quality of people, and quality
of equipment and the POLITICAL WILL
to use vital resources when necesssary.
Busting some common misconceptions
about the USA's military, it can be shown
that it is INDEED WEAKENING on an absolute
and relative basis which means that sooner
or later we will NOT HAVE A BIG ENOUGH
STICK to ensure that China will be kept
in check. And at the END of this text
is an outline of SEVERE REAL-WORLD
CONSEQUENCES TO YOU AND ME if the
USA is no longer ABLE to defend itself!
--- MYTH: The USA Outspends everyone
--- else combined on it's military.
--------- WRONG !!!!!! ---------
Actually , China has NOW SURPASSED the
United States as the world's LARGEST
spender on their Military department!
What most people DO NOT take
into account is the question of:
"Research and Development Dollars,
Operating Budget and Capital Goods
Purchasing Power Equivalence Formula."
The U.S. Defense Budget is about
$600 Billion while China's is $150
Billion on an unofficial basis.
One must take into account that salaries
for Chinese researchers, mid-level development
personnel and engineers is about 1/3rd of the US.
Then one must add in that the Operating
Costs of all the Chinese tanks, missile systems,
Navy and Army personnel and leadership
is 1/4th (one quarter!) the cost of
the USA's military machine.
The actual MATERIAL BUILD COST of all
those new Chinese missiles, tanks, ships,
jets, etc. is 1/6th of the US.
So the average of 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/6 = 1/4.33
can be calculated and converted from
150 Billion absolute U.S. dollars that
China spends on its Military:
$150 BILLION US absolute value x 4.33 equals
a $650 Billion Dollars US True Equivalent!
AND UNLIKE the US, where the "Black Budget"
(i.e. monies spent on military items and
research NOT publicly reported) is INCLUDED
in the general DOD budget documents (about
$50 billion US in 2015), CHINA's military
Black Budget is TRULY OFF-THE-BOOKS but
various sources in the intelligence
community have reached numbers
somewhere between $15 BILLION
($65 Billion US equivalent) to
as high as $30 BILLION ($130 Billion
US equivalent) , so in fact, the TOTAL
Chinese Military Yearly Budget could be
equivalent to as much as $780 BILLION DOLLARS US !!!!
That is a STAGGERINGLY HUGE NUMBER and
that number will ONLY INCREASE EVERY YEAR !!!
This means that China will be able
to OVERTAKE the United States just in
Military Spending alone. Then add in
the 300,000 Engineers, Mathameticians,
BioSciences and other PHD level Graduates
that graduate EVERY YEAR in China which
is already FOUR TIMES LARGER than the USA!
It means that the USA is DONE FOR MILITARILY
on an absolute basis by the year 2020!
And as Chinese military training has gone
from ZERO to nearly Hero status in just
15 years and based upon currently rising
and ENFORCED academic standards in China,
I see that it will only another 5 to 10 years
before Chinese Officer-level training
and schooling quality achieves or
surpasses the same level of today's
USAF and US Naval Academy students!
That will be quite a devastating BLOW
to U.S. military capabilities. This year's
Chinese officer cadre (and enlisted members!)
will be the FIRST COHORT to graduate in 4 years
to a MODERN military with MODERN equipment and
Top-Level strategists coupled with a HUGE
(5x Larger than USA!) enlisted cadre of
men and women who will be more than
just adequately schooled and trained!
Question: Can China Defeat the USA today
in the year 2015 in a conventional
The Answer Today is NO!
Ask the SAME question in the year 2020
the answer will be YES! China WILL be
able to defeat the USA in a conventional
military confrontation in the year 2020
due to SHEER NUMBERS OF and the much
increased quality and calibre of equipment
And when combined with the pan-Asian concept
(not just in China!) of "Keeping or Saving Face"
any military confrontations WILL ESCALATE
and China WILL NOT BACK DOWN -- PERIOD !!!!
While the USA's Homeland has not been
truly invaded and occupied for any length
of time in it's past history, by the year
2020 it will be a VERY REAL POSSIBILITY
that China will not only have the NUMBERS,
but the HIGH- ENOUGH QUALITY equipment
and personnel to actually mount a MAINLAND
INVASION OF THE USA AND WIN that
confrontation and thus OCCUPY the
ENTIRE US mainland AS THEY SEE FIT!
America, you NEED to fix your economy
and military NOW! or face the VERY REAL
POSSIBILITY of true Military Defeat and
OCCUPATION of the ENTIRE terrtories
of the USA...and...UNLIKE what America
did in 1945 where tthe USA re-built the
former enemy combatants, CHINA WILL
NOT BE AS NICE !!!! They will REMOVE
AND DESTROY ALL CURRENT OCCUPANTS
of any territory they gain!
Again, restore your economy and military
to a powerful state so that you have a
BIG ENOUGH STICK to MAKE SURE that a
rising and newly POWERFUL CHINA is
kept in check from starting ANY
territorial ambitions !!!
originally posted by: StargateSG7
With a few thousand men it wouldn't be all that hard to smuggle them in via fishing boat or freighter into one of the west coast ports like
San Francisco, Seattle, Portland and Vancouver.
They could disappear into the bigger cities
And arm themselvrs to the teeth but my take is
They build custom drones with predesigned plans,
Pre built software and easy to make munitions.
Then spread out to various critical infrastructure sites (i.e. Powerplants, pipelines, phone lines, transformer stations, major power lines, water and sewage distribution junctions, all Walmarts
Costcos, grocery stores and their major distribution centres, gas stations, refineries, major manufacturing such as car plants, steel mills, farms, seed warehouses, etc) Then you
Send all the drones at once with incendiaries.
Best time would be at night just before winter
sets in. Other soldiers smuggled in shipping
container would attack airports, bridges, highway junctions, hospitals, schools, stadiums, tunnels,
Radio antennae, tv and radio stations all at once.
To get the land base nuke silos, it will have to be
A suicide mission using manpads, watercutters
And thermite metal cutting systems to
Directly attack the doors of the missile silos.
Basically cutting holes in the blast doors so
You can thrown some C4 down the launch silos to destroy the nukes missiles themselves.
China could easily over many months do satellite based radar imaging and spotting of ocean
thermocline bulges to find US nuclear subs
And destroy them in the first attack wave.
Again, thinking outside the box, a 747 commercial
Airliner could carry 200,000 pounds of 55 gallon drums of napalm. China has more than 500 of the craft which can fly all the way to the usa unheeded
After US SAM batteries and airbases/airports were destroyed by the smuggled in soldiers who did the night attacks using suiciding incendiary
drones and multiple shoulder fired missiles.
500 747's flying round trip day after day for a month dumping barrel after barrel of napalm
Onto cities and farms just before winter would DEVASTATE the USA !!!!!!!
If I can think such things up, imagine what
An arrogant bunch of thousands of technocrats
Could do with 50,000 brainwashed psych tested
Battle hardened soldiers equipped with drones,
Shoulder fired missiles and C4 could do when
Smuggled secretly into the USA ?!
IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TO DEFEND AGAINST!
My shrill posts are done for a reason!
It's to get the complacent thinking about
what can and WILL happen if a large country
Gets political and military leaders who suddenly
Feel the need to exercise some new found power.
Again, China IS NOT the Japan of 1941!!!!
Its 20 times larger, MUCH better equipped
economically AND militarily than ANY OTHER
Peer ever was .... !!!! AND it has a manufacturing
10 times the size of America's which is filled
With a hungry and hardened populace MUCH
MORE WILLING to endure severe hardship.
If America CONTINUES its spiral down into
Military, Educational and Economic weakness,
China WILL EVENTUALLY come in to burn down
Every village and turn the streets of America
into RIVERS OF BLOOD AND GUTS to achieve
a VAAAST territorial gain !!!!!!
Lest we forget the history of nations that
Fall into decline.....
It has happened before...
And it will happen AGAIN !!!
originally posted by: tkwasny
The "sniper behind every bush" is a vast understatement. The average gun owner has 8.1 guns. The average gun owner has about 1000 rounds of ammo for EACH GUN. If TSHTF, I will be, and the other 60 million gun owners will be arming our relatives and neighbors that do not have guns. The US unorganized militia will suddenly exist in numbers nearing 250 million as pissed off hornets that just got a stick jabbed into their nest.