For the First Time, I'll be Registering as a Democrat - for Bernie Sanders

a reply to: Freenrgy2

What's wrong with "a known socialist"? ... we (and most other western democracies) have a mixed economy that incorporates elements of several different economic systems.

You sound like a McCarthyite circa 1954. Perhaps you need to update your rhetoric?

LOL "wearing them down with facts" ... darn those silly facts, eh? You favor unsupported belief-based BS?

I'm sorry you feel that only those members with whom you agree should have the right to post here.

If you don't want to participate in our system of government, that is your choice. Don't hold it up like you're doing something noble through.

Limbaugh? Yeah, there's a prime example of a non-partisan, non-biased political guru. (That's sarcasm.)

Sorry you don't like America. There are other options. Sorry you prefer to see our country fail than get involved.

Why are you telling us all this? Purging to make yourself feel better, grandstanding to try and denigrate those who are involved in our process?

Er ... so?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I am a devout best man for the job, of which we really dont have a good choice. Just my opinion here but Bernie Sanders is an admitted socialist. America does not need another president giving away our country for free. I have friends from Argentina and Venezuela and if you look at the state of their economy it is clear socialism will never work. As a challenge and if you like please find an example of a country where socialism truly works. For an example if you will indulge me if you earn 15 dollars an hour and your neighbor earns 10, go to him and give him 2.50 for every hour he works the same as you (out of your pocket). In doing this you have made sure that all is equal. A country running out of toilet paper (Venezuela) kinda shows how socialism plays out. not meaning to flame or be disrespectful......just my opinion.

Ten Top Socialist Countries in the World

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

... compare that with ...

The Word's Happiest Countries - Forbes Magazine

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Australia
5. New Zealand
6. Sweden
7. Canada
8. Switzerland
9. The Netherlands
10. US

The countries that aren't socialist are mixed economies that incorporates elements of capitalism and socialism.

/shrug

I also will be registering with a political party for the first time ever so as to be able to vote for Sanders in the primary. I'm 60 and have voted in every election since I was 18, except for primaries.

And I will be returning to non-affiliated as soon as possible afterwards.

I have a fair amount of faith and hope regarding Sanders, but we have already seen how a good president with good policies can be pretty much held back by a corrupt incorrigible Congress. So in addition to getting another good president we also need to get us a good Congress.

As for the "he's a Socialist!" fervor... pffft. The form of government or economic model is less important than the quality of the people implementing it. The world has seen benevolent dictatorships and monarchies and it has also seen highly repressive/regressive governments working under the representative republic banner. There is nothing wrong with a Socialistic economic model, assuming the people implementing it are of high quality. It is clear that Capitalism as it is implemented today in the US is a miserable failure for the bulk of a population; it's about time to try something different. As unlikely as that is to happen any time soon in the US, but Sanders is a step in the right direction.


Call BS on the Establishment!

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic
Call BS on the Establishment!

BS! You mean Bernie Sanders!

I LOVE this as a campaign slogan!

I hope Bernie is the real deal.

So, how many are actually voting FOR Bernie.

Or registering as Dem in primary to vote against Hillary?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

But you were already a democrat, so you are just registering to vote? Good for you?

a reply to: Annee

Open_Minded Skeptic and I are registering to vote FOR Bernie. Not against Hillary. I don't have this hatred of Hillary that many have. I know she's a politician and I know she lies, but I don't buy the Benghazi and email scandals, or think she's some kind of evil witch. Much like Obama, she is a politician, and will do what is necessary to further her career.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

But you were already a democrat, so you are just registering to vote? Good for you?

No. Read the post. I have been registered and voting for years. Just never registered WITH a party.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Actually I am not sure where the info came from. China has a communist govt but those not in the party are primarily capitalist. China and Russia have produced the most todate Millionaires in the world. The other "socialist companies on the list are also a mixture of capitalism with socialized govt programs, mainly healthcare. They all have private business being taxed and creating jobs.

originally posted by: Annee
So, how many are actually voting FOR Bernie.

Or registering as Dem in primary to vote against Hillary?

I'm voting for Bernie, not against Hillary.

At this point in time, if Bernie doesn't win the primary, my second choice is still Hillary.

I don't buy into the Benghazi/Email witch hunts in any way, shape or form. I also don't buy into the latest "Bernie's a socialist commie" who's gonna destroy the American way of life B.S. being propagated by right.

My only problem with Hillary is that she, (like most politicians these days) is beholden to her donor base of Wall St. Bankers, corporate special interest and PACs.

IMO, Bernie Sanders is the only viable candidate who doesn't have those ties and his entire political history is reflective of someone who consistently places the will and the rights of people above those of big money special interest.

But if you take him out of the picture, I'm voting for whom I believe to be the lesser of two evils.

Right now, that would be Hillary.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Annee

Open_Minded Skeptic and I are registering to vote FOR Bernie. Not against Hillary. I don't have this hatred of Hillary that many have. I know she's a politician and I know she lies, but I don't buy the Benghazi and email scandals, or think she's some kind of evil witch. Much like Obama, she is a politician, and will do what is necessary to further her career.

That's good. Yes, she has always been politics (both strength and weakness).

I personally lean toward a Progressive Layered Gobal Democratic Socialism. So, I'm on Bernie's side.

But, I think the Fear Mongering of Socialism will give the edge to the GOP. Fear of the Religious Right is justified.

I love Bernie sanders' ideas and platform...but it's Hillary in the general election for me.

A lot of people say that both parties are the same, but for minorities, immigrants and gay couples..both parities are NOT the same.

"Paul Ryan" elected house speaker.

I can't take a chance on Bernie.

Not that Hillary has it wrapped up, but I remember the Fear Mongering about her Socialist history.

originally posted by: muse7
I love Bernie sanders' ideas and platform...but it's Hillary in the general election for me.

A lot of people say that both parties are the same, but for minorities, immigrants and gay couples..both parities are NOT the same.

Both parties are "the same" in that politics in general is "the same" regardless of what the ideology is.

One aspect of that is that just because politicians espouse a given ideology to get elected, that doesn't mean they'll actually act and work that way in office.

HOWEVER,

From the viewpoint of IDEOLOGY, your point is well taken. You have a party that supports equal rights, rational/scientifically based understanding, fiscal responsibility and forward-looking policies ... and then you have the Republicans.

I am constitutionally unable to vote for a party whose majority believes the earth was formed in seven actual days. Call me biased.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Good luck with that. Many people said the same thing in '08/12 in regards to Ron Paul. That went well, didn't it?

It's your vote, do with it what you wish. I believe all you Sanders supporters are in for a rude awakening.

a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Oh, I totally understand that Bernie is a loooong shot. I fully expect that he won't make it past the primary. So, I'm not really in for a rude awakening. I just want to do my part in supporting what I want, fully understanding that I probably won't get it. Such is life.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

obviously your economically clueless but i respect your choice who knows a technologically led paradigm shift may abort the
fubar reality we'll wake to but presently watch how the lambs are butchered.

originally posted by: Annee
I was a Republican until they became insane.

I'm now registered "unaffiliated". I will never be a Democrat.

I would love to live in "Bernie's World" - - - just don't think the timing is right that we can get any where close to it at this time.

There is a strong argument to be made that even if Bernie won, we would never see a "Bernie's World".

There is only so much the executive branch can get done in 4 or 8 years.

That said, he would certainly make a dent and anything we can do to even slightly change course from the rapidly growing economic disparity in this country (that neither party seems sincerely bothered by)...the better.