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originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Astyanax
I agree to some extent. I also agree (as did Descartes) that we cannot trust our senses therefore true reality can never be known - Or we can never be certain we are experiencing true reality.
With regards to perception of reality, I think this is greatly effected by the schemas/pre-conditioned views/ideas of things which effect our perception - our top down (think that's the right one) processing makes us fabricate 'truths' (what we believe are truths not actual truths) and effect our perception of things.
A bit like how most people who are bad at art will draw a cup incorrectly - they first of all perceive the top of the cup is an elipse but once they learn it is almost circular and it's their schema-effected perception that is wrong the drawing changes.
(Not sure if this post makes sense - just woken up).
originally posted by: Talorc
This is not what Descartes believed. He thought that "true reality" could be ascertained using reason.
originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: namelesss
Each a Creator working 'their' Way back from whence they came, The One Infinite Creator...
... being Your very own "Creator" it is up to You. "Change Your thought or You'll get what You've always got..."
Your earlier argument was that reality was reflected accurately, but perhaps not precisely, in our faculties.
Seems you've changed your tune.
The model may also explain why some folk seem to perceive things others don't, such as ghosts and aliens.
The appearance of reality derived from our brains and senses can safely be taken as veridical
It could be that they are just having problems with their interface-generating internal software.
originally posted by: cooperton
By definition, pursuing truth would imply a removal of illusion and all falsehood. Hence the liberation promised to a fulfilled truth-seeker. Whether or not the illusion is forcefully perpetuated by some parasitic entity that thrives off our ignorance, or if it is our own willful ignorance, I do not know, but I'm guessing its a combination of the two.
Never give up, fellow truth-seekers.
originally posted by: InTheLight
Who determines what is illusion? A programmed majority afraid to step away from their staunch, dogmatic ineffective sciences for fear of ridicule from their peers.
When I first meditated to a higher plane without prior formal training, I determined my experiences were figments of my imagination until I researched others' experiences which matched mine exactly; hence collective experiences equal objective reality. The reality we experienced collectively exists as a truth, we just tapped into it.
The reality of our existence through our senses is another reality, another truth, and another form, so we can perceive realities as animated energies with consciousness in many realms, including the subconscious and dream state.