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originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Atsbhct
why is he entitled to 2 million dollars
He was subsequently thrown in jail for 100 days because he wouldn't attend the program [he requested a secular one]. More than 3 months in jail. I'm fine with this settlement.
he might just spend on more methamphetamine?
'Might' being the operative word. Lets hope 100 days was long enough to kick the habit.
originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: jrod
No, it is true. Religious refers to a religion. AA, from the very start, was non-religious spiritual.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: liejunkie01
And when you don't "buy in" (or at least pretend to) I bet you get iced out pretty quick, don't you?
AA isn't treatment or rehab -- it's a social support system. If you don't go along with the crowd, you'll be made into an outsider...and what good does that do for someone who wants help?
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Annee
Look up "Oxford Group" ... Bill Wilson, AA's founder was a member. The Oxford Group. I'm on my phone right now so I have to keep it short until later.
Much of what AA espouses is what you would find in a narcissistic relationship.
So at least it seems that AA is better than nothing, right? Not so fast, says Deborah A. Dawson, a respected epidemiologist at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. In her 2005 article in the journal Addiction, Dawson pointed out that many health problems often improve on their own through what’s known as "spontaneous remission." Everyone gets over a flu or a headache, sometimes even without Nyquil or common aspirin. She calculated that the natural rate of recovery for alcoholism was 24.4 percent. In other words, over the course of one year, a quarter of alcoholics got tired and just gave up. No meetings. No treatment. No nothing. They just woke up one day and said, "Enough."
The psychiatrist has spent more than 20 years studying and treating addiction. His latest book on the subject is The Sober Truth: Debunking the Bad Science Behind 12-Step Programs and the Rehab Industry. Dodes tells NPR's Arun Rath that 12-step recovery simply doesn't work, despite anecdotes about success. "We hear from the people who do well; we don't hear from the people who don't do well," he says.
There is a large body of evidence now looking at AA success rate, and the success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent. Most people don't seem to know that because it's not widely publicized. ... There are some studies that have claimed to show scientifically that AA is useful. These studies are riddled with scientific errors and they say no more than what we knew to begin with, which is that AA has probably the worst success rate in all of medicine.
It's not only that AA has a 5 to 10 percent success rate; if it was successful and was neutral the rest of the time, we'd say OK. But it's harmful to the 90 percent who don't do well. And it's harmful for several important reasons. One of them is that everyone believes that AA is the right treatment. AA is never wrong, according to AA. If you fail in AA, it's you that's failed.
Earlier that evening, Thacher had visited and tried to persuade him to turn himself over to the care of a Christian deity who would liberate him from alcohol. According to Wilson, while lying in bed depressed and despairing, he cried out, "I'll do anything! Anything at all! If there be a God, let Him show Himself!" He then had the sensation of a bright light, a feeling of ecstasy, and a new serenity. He never drank again for the remainder of his life.