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Terrifying sleep paralysis shared by roommate and myself while in the "funny farm"

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posted on Oct, 30 2015 @ 05:56 PM
a reply to: Okeyd57


I don't believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy either.

I'm sorry you believe in a made up entity and believe he can compromise you. I would counter- there's still time for you to learn too and that you can free yourself of the shackles of religion.

posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 12:43 AM
a reply to: lifecitizen

You know what, do you know why no one ever stars you? Or why the general audience does not like you? I'm gonna tell you why, it's because you disagree without a single reasonable retort, you can't attack an argument, no; you'll just say you do not understand; you cannot attack a position, you'll just attack the person, so essentially you bring nothing what so ever to the table except retort. Dime a dozen sweetheart, now saying we are all the same therefor the collective unconscious has no merit, that isn't even an argument against the concept, but one for it; evidently you are missing knowledge when it pertains to theory of mind, or ignoring it outright, not sure which one. On my end, nope I don't think these ideas have objectivive "realness" at all, in fact they most certainly are hallucinatory, however they are archetypical which leads me to believe in a collective unconscious,Next time you disagree, disagree with substance; not just you are wrong, and I am right.

posted on Oct, 31 2015 @ 03:25 AM
a reply to: TechniXcality

Oh. Wow. You do have a problem with me...please, don't call me sweetheart. I've actually told you that before.

I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near as important as you're making me out to be. People hardly notice my posts. So yeah, I don't know how many stars I have..I don't check. You do though. You also care enough to msg me 3 times in a row accusing me of 'having the hots for you' when I don't even know you. I told you enough, to stop. And yet here we are again. Troll me again and I will cry to the mods.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 02:38 AM
a reply to: seaswine

Hey seaswine.

After reading the OP went through the comments to see what you've been told. Certainly a lot of people with SP experiences, and different understandings, among them, Satan doesn't exist, and the person who said it is all just a program in your head, or something to that effect. And those who try to explain it off as completely scientifically explainable.

I've had SP all through my childhood. And experienced most of what most people here have talked about, the fear of not being able to move, seeing apparitions, hearing demonically evil and filthy language in my ears, etc.

I've come to several conclusions, and have a comment about your experience in the "Pysch Ward" no one has even talked about yet, even though that is why you wrote the post to begin with.

Satan is indeed real. The Holy Scriptures of truth, God's word tells us he is. Now before the flood his fallen angels were able to materialize human bodies, but now they are trapped in the spirit realm, held in chains under dense bonds of darkness. So it is not as easy for them to materialize or manifest themselves to us as it was back then.

That is why it is easiest to capture a human right before or after sleep and wake. The wicked spirits are able to to prey upon your mind somehow at that time to paralyze you, manifest themselves to you, if it is a real manifestation or a hallucination they give you, I don't know. I imagine it can be both.

There is no coincidence so many people experience these wicked demonic beings. And usually the ones who delve into spiritism, the realm of Satan are the ones most affected, and those around them, even if they are not, just being around them, they will be affected. Things such as meditation, yoga, witchcraft, tarot card reading, using an ouji board, seances, etc, the whole gambit of the occult can lead you into having experiences such as this and others.

You didn't go into why you mixed "too many pills" with drinks, I'm guessing it was to get drunk and high. Illicit drug use is spiritism, and can open your weakened state of mind to demonic influences, that is why so many under the influence end up doing some of the most horrible things you can think of.

So perhaps this rage you had, while induced by the drugs had a demonic element to it as well. I don't know. It is possible though. In any event you admitted yourself to a Psych Ward where other mentally ill patients are. No doubt there are mentally ill people, and not a few of them are possessed, and have been led to insanity by demonic entities.

There would be no doubt in my mind, no doubt at all, that any Pysch Ward anywhere is going to be a hotbed of demonic activity, holding insane, and demon possessed people.

If you or anyone else here is ever admitted to one, you should logically expect to encounter the demonic. That goes without saying. If I were you, that wouldn't even have phased me, knowing already the hotbed of demonic activity those places must be.

Oh, and you're not the only one, or your roommate. Everyone there experiences demonic bullying, and probably all the time.

I would stay off the drugs, pill popping, etc. and be moderate with my drinking, and stir clear of places like that, and people who get into spiritsm, if you want to avoid experiences like that, and worse.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 04:08 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

I respect your beliefs and know that you don't mean any harm in the way you have applied them in your post. Nevertheless I don't recognise the logic you have used to go from demons kept in 'dense bonds of darkness' to them being able to 'capture' humans in the twilights between sleep and wakefulness. How do you know this?

You say you've had SP since childhood? So have I. The first instance I can remember was when I was 3 or 4. As children, neither of us (presumably) had been involved in spiritism, drinking or pill-popping. Do you agree with that? As children, we probably had no idea about altered mind-states, inebriation or evil entities. And yet we still experienced SP and similar night terrors.

In your steps of logic, how would you explain innocent kids being 'captured' by demons? I'm curious to see how you've arrived at that?

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 04:31 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

Those are good questions, ones that were already answered above, but perhaps too briefly for you to notice it.

I had the same questions, because 3 or 4 years of age was when I was introduced to the supernatural.

You see, it doesn't matter if you are involved with it if your family is. Someone in the household, or a good friend, or close family, anyone really that would be living in the home, or even if you received belongings of a person involved in spiritsm can open up the household to demonic activity. You were too young at that time to be involved with it yourself, as I was, so someone else, more mature must have been. Or someone your family knew, or you had possessions of a practitioner of the occult in the house. You might never know what it was if you didn't look for it.

Of course there is the off chance that the house itself was haunted, and that means, for whatever reason, either your family, or perhaps a previous one practiced spiritsm in it to an extent that the house itself became possessed.

And the list of practices of spiritsm is a long one, like was mentioned above some of them are witchcraft, seances, fortune-telling, ouji board, tarot cards, things such as amulets and good-luck charms can open the household to demonic attack (amulets and good luck are the realm of Satan), even demonic music that glorifies Satan, or spiritstic books on the occult and movies. The list is, the practice of meditation, idol worship, such as Buddha, or the cross worship. Even illicit drug use is a form of sorcery and attracts demonic spirits. Sexual child abuse, pornography, among other things.

I'm not saying either you or I were into any of those things, but if you had someone in the household that was, you could have been affected by it. You see, what one person does affects the lives of those around them.

If the demons were able too, they wouldn't be possessing people and manifesting themselves as spirit apparitions etc, they would be materializing human bodies and fornicating with women. That was what they lusted after before the flood, and they are still their same perverted selves, imprisoned in chains under dense darkness awaiting judgement day.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 04:50 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

The way you explain how you interpret these incidents makes all the answers 'demons.' The models offered by research can be testable. For example, I know that if I work too hard, have too many late nights or don't get 6-8 quality hours of sleep, I'll have an experience of night terrors or SP. Studies in sleep labs actually record subject's brain patterns and they correlate with the predictions provided by the models of sleep disorders.

If we flip that over, plenty of quality sleep and not overworking ourselves reduces and prevents incidents of sleep paralysis and related things like hypnagogia/hypnopompia etc. In that sense, the research-based models offer predictions.

If we apply your demon-related hypothesis, how does it predict occurrences of SP? You've brought occult-related factors into it so I already understand that aspect. Could we study the occult without interference from demons by having a good night's sleep? Does a healthy sleep supersede the influence of demons?

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 05:16 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

Did not mean to imply that every hallucination or sleep-deprived hallucination is demonic. Again above I made mention to that, there are mentally ill people. And there is nothing demonic about that.

That does not mean that demons cannot induce hallucinations, or manipulate the minds of people already in a fragile state mentally. Especially when they use mind-altering drugs. It is all a form of spiritsm.

The word sorcery comes from the Greek word Farmakia, and it is literally translated druggery (that is where you get the word pharmacy.)

Even the Native American Indians used tobacco to commune with the spirit world. Tobacco use began as a drug in sorcery.

From what I have noticed over the years, of personal experience myself, and listening to others, usually you can tell if an event is demonic in nature or merely a poor or ill mental state is in the things being seen themselves.

A psychofrenic for example and hallucinate voices and even images. But those hallucinations will be normal. People, voices of people, things we are familiar with, animals etc. Demonic encounters are usually just that, demonic in nature, and not natural at all.

If the demons wanted to they could let you prove they are real, but they are tricksters. Even those who know they exist are usually fooled by them. They are consummate liars.

Look, the OP experienced something supernatural, and his roommate experienced it with him. It wasn't natural, it wasn't normal. If you were there, most likely you would have too. I've had demonic encounters as well which were observed by various people at the same time. It wasn't a hallucination of my own, it was a real supernatural event, and quite demonic.

I think it is easier to dismiss away the idea that SP and the encounter with spiritual beings during that time (which are not human, and never manifest as human either, although they may try to a certain extent to manifest as humionid) than to deal with the reality we are dealing with Satanic beings which are perverse in nature.

Healthy sleep does not supersede the influence of demons. I went my whole child-hood and adolescence being bothered by them at night, and rarely got more than a couple hours of sleep, if that, a night.

Why would they want us to sleep soundly?

There is a way to find restful sleep though, and that is through study of God's word, and applying his counsel in our life. Two scriptures come to mind about this:

(Proverbs 18:10) The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous one runs and receives protection.

Talking about observing Godly wisdom, if learning it and applying it on our lives we are told:

(Proverbs 3:23, 24)  In that case you will walk in security on your way, and even your foot will not strike against anything. Whenever you lie down you will feel no dread; and you will certainly lie down, and your sleep must be pleasurable.

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posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 05:41 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

I think the OP's experience works very well within the framework of sleep disorders. He was short of quality sleep, presumably highly-strung on adrenaline and feeling a lot of anxiety at the surroundings and patients. Such factors are well suited for a hypnagogic/hypnopompic hallucination and have been studied quite intensively.

It's hard to be certain about ephemera like the existence, or otherwise, of demons and particularly when the experience of sleep paralysis lends itself to easily to explanations of the supernatural. It seems to me that your mind tends towards the explanation of demons and necessarily fills in the gaps in logic with secondary causes. For example, where drugs and 'occult' influences are absent, you believe the actions of others can also be a trigger. In that scenario, all roads of thought will arrive at the explanation of demons. I realise that you'll probably nod in agreement at that because, after all, demons are a full half of the way you interpret the world and existence in general. It just seems to me a rather self-perpetuating view that leaves no room for doubts.

I mean, let's say you have never had a thought of occult things? An incident of SP would be attributed to the occult interests of someone close to you. If we then said that nobody close to you had entertained occult thoughts either, you would have to attribute responsibility to an occult object in the vicinity. By hook or by crook, eventually all answers become 'demons.'

Such things are difficult to be certain about and that lack of certainty allows our belief to grow.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 05:52 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

No. It is based on real experience, which you are dismissing out of hand. Which is okay with me. The OP wanted a reason as to why he experienced what he did with his roommate, I have given him an explanation, which no one else has. And you seem to tend to dismiss the fact that it wasn't just him.

I am not speaking on my own authority though. Even God's word states:

(1 John 5:19) . . .but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

It is not a self-perpetuating view that leaves other viewpoints out. It is one that has been given us by God and one that many leave out because of lack of faith.

The reason so many lack faith is because they have been blinded and mislead so that they might not see and hear and get a healing:

(2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

(Revelation 12:9) . . .So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth. . .

In fact scripture is quite plain that demons and demon possession is quite real:

(James 2:19) . . .You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.

These demons are real and they know Jehovah is real.

And there is a reason spiritism is condemned, because it is the purview of Satan the Devil, and it misleads mankind away from the truth.

In my household personally, I had a grandfather who was a sorcerer, and two brothers who were practicing Satanists. And I could tell you many stories of demonic encounters throughout my childhood because of their influences.

I can even bring forth my witnesses to confirm all these things. But what good would it do? Would you, after you have dismissed all of this already, not do the same again?

I have a feeling, that you probably have a history of doing such. Especially since it has affected you personally and you have dismissed it away already. See how gullible the mind is, when it doesn't want to see what is before it?
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posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 05:52 AM
a reply to: seaswine

As much as anyone will leap in and tell you that drugs of various kinds can effect experiences such as this - we don't even have a proper scientific understanding of our own consciousness yet, and cannot even disprove solipsism by force of logic alone (but don't dwell on solipsism, it's not an easy ride if you're already suffering in the cerebral sphere).

Yes, drugs can cause neurological experiences which are abnormal. But experiences like this are not limited to people who are on a course of meds. Sleep paralysis offers a window into the darkest corners of our reality, imho, and you are right to be concerned about these events.

I once found myself in a similar situation to your own, admitted into a hospital for assessment following a harrowing series of occurrences. I even had a directly similar experience to your own whilst an inpatient. I was lying on my back staring at the ceiling, late at night, unable to sleep, and suddenly I became aware that a dark presence was hovering above me. I couldn't see it, but could sense its nearness & its power, its darkness of spirit - pure unadulterated evil. I should note that I wasn't asleep - this wasn't sleep paralysis - it was a direct, waking manifestation of an evil entity. It waited above for a moment, and then began to descend slowly - I could feel it coming ever closer, and I was powerless to stop it. As it got to directly in front of my face, by which stage I was panicked as I couldn't seem to move, despite knowing that I wasn't in a sleep paralysis experience (I'd had such on previous occasions) - I blacked out, and came to shaking a short time later.

As for me, at the time I had nobody to support me, and nobody who would even believe what I had tried to explain. I had a number of nasty experiences over the next couple of years, and only began to find closure & healing after I 'got religion', by which I mean I joined a somewhat raadical church fellowship, having witnessed several examples in quick succession of what I considered to be evidence of the reality of God, and HIs intervention in the natural course of events, for reasons of our benefit & blessing. I won't 'prescribe church' to you, but I do recommend spending time in quiet reflection, asking for guidance, and being open to witness examples of direct intervention in your own circumstances. The way I see it, the natural order of this world is broken & defiled, we are all open to being abused spiritually by dark entities which infect & provoke us according to a literally demonic 'cosmic plan', the inverse of God's plans for us. Seeking deliverance & truth is probably the way forward, especially if you are aware of other aspects of your experience which may indicate direct oppression by malevolent forces.

I know someone is bound to condemn my response as superstitious bunk - and once upon a time, I would have said the same. I enjoy & respect science, I'm not a creationist - the last book I read was 'The Holographic Universe' (on the nature of reality) by Michael Talbot, and currently I'm reading 'Linked' (on complexity theory) by Albert Laszlo Barabasi. I'm not a closeted fundamentalist, but I do believe in the power of Christ's name, in the face of such darkness that we cannot even begin to fathom its depth.

Take care & stay safe.


And I just want to add a footnote to say I hope this thread wasn't a Halloween prank?!

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 05:54 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

What translation of scripture are you quoting from? I haven't come across it before, but it seems quite a good one.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:02 AM

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JackReyes

What translation of scripture are you quoting from? I haven't come across it before, but it seems quite a good one.

NWT - 2013 revision

I have about 20 different versions and translations of the Bible in my library and find this to be the easiest, most modern, and most accurate.

If you want you can dowload an app for it for free if you like it:


You'll find links to the Apple store, Windows store, and Google Play.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:07 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

I haven't dismissed anything out of hand; you should try to read more closely. I am asking you how you can be so certain of demons for your explanations when other well-researched explanations are available.

At the same time, whilst demons have a reassuring quality for you, they do not reassure me. I can't see how offering them as an explanation helps anything. I don't see how scaring people with ideas of untouchable evil entities helps them. Even now, as I invite you to share your thought processes, you turn around and use innuendo to suggest sorcery on my part and with the implication that, once more, 'demons' are at work. Is that a charitable approach?

As I mentioned earlier, it appears to me that your world-view and thought-processes will always arrive at 'demons' for your explanations. That means they actually reassure you in helping you to make sense of the world. Sadly for me, they don't reassure me at all and I must remain lacking in certainty for why bad things happen to good people. You are welcome to your demons and the ironic peace they bring you.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:18 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

I am certain because of my own personal experiences.

They used to scare me too Kandinsky. I understand that. But knowing they are real is not what comforts me. Knowing that Jehovah God is real and the demons shutter at the very mention of his name is what gives me comfort.

Jesus when he came to earth, as God's son, and a perfect human was confronted by demons, and even Satan himself. But he had power over the demons. They knew who he was, and they still do today. And he commanded them.

And he conquered the world while on earth, morally, spiritually, and physically as he gave up his life for us.

And he will soon come as a king to complete his conquest over sin and death, and Satan and his demons. That is where my comfort comes from:

(John 16:33) . . .I have said these things to you so that by means of me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.”

(Revelation 6:2) . . .And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.

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posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:34 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

I just want to chip in as a person who believes in both the scientific method, the virtues of science, and also God & non-human intelligences/demons, and state that I do not find your input to be evidence of demons at work, but I see it rather as evidence that a well-informed person is weighing up the available information & proceeding with weight given to scientific explanations, in the absence of direct experience with non-human, incorporeal intelligences/demons.

People who believe that demons are behind every tree really don't help to advance our investigations into consciousness & the ramifications of alien consciousness manifesting in the sphere of our direct experience & perception.

I believe that our science will one day demonstrate the existence of such alien/demon manifestation, but for obvious reasons nobody wants to be first on the research train. I personally believe that, considering our military have long since investigated the reality of remote viewing, psychokinesis & astral travel, they probably, at the far ends of the shadowy budgets, have already found ways to track or uncover what the layman would call demonic activity. I believe they already have specialists who work in some form of counter-intelligence role with regards to the risks posed by such powers.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:46 AM
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

We probably share some common ground

I'm not against the idea of other beings in other realms of existence or the possibility that such things might have influence. It's just that most of the time, the science-based explanation will cover all the bases more comfortably than the God Vs Satan concept will.

Have you read Redfern's 'Final Events?' He interviewed people claiming to have been in a Govt group that believed demons were the source of UFO reports. They had a budget and, on some level, still exist and still hold their beliefs.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:46 AM
a reply to: JackReyes

Do you find that people have a negative reaction to the use of the term 'Jehovah God'? I personally wouldn't choose to refer to God by that specific form of His name, simply because there are such negative connotations arising due to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Unless you are a Jehovah's Witness?

I find it rather abhorrent that the group I refer to consider it okay to reduce the transcendant God to, essentially, a very large alien - who will one day travel to Earth in a big spaceship to destroy everyone, including most Jehovah's Witnesses, before enforcing a faux-Utopian dystopia. They also consider Jesus to be the same personage we find referred to as Michael the Archangel. The whole approach is like taking the abundance of who God is, and transforming Him into a cartoon sci-fi dictator.

God is the transcendant Father, sophisticated beyond all human measure or reason, and I think we should refer to Him as Father, or as God. Keeps it simple.

posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 06:58 AM
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Good question, probably off topic . I will tell you though, that most people don't even know God has a name and are intrigued when I use it, and not more than a few have questioned me as to who God is. That lets me use the Bible to show that God's name is Jehovah, that he wants us to use it, and even that Jehovah has witnesses for his name:

(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”

You would be surprised at how many religious people I've talked with who never knew God's name is Jehovah, or that he himself said he would have witnesses to his name.

It opens peoples eyes, when they are able to discern what has been hidden from them while in plain sight for so long.

So, no I don't shy away from using God's personal name. In fact, while not a proud person by any stretch of the imagination I do take pride in this one thing:

(Jeremiah 9:24) “But let the one boasting boast about this: That he has insight and knowledge of me, That I am Jehovah, the One showing loyal love, justice, and righteousness in the earth, For in these things I take delight,” declares Jehovah.

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posted on Nov, 1 2015 @ 07:03 AM
a reply to: Kandinsky

Thanks for your considered response - it's always nice to have a non-partisan conversation, regarding the fuzzy territory we're travelling.. I haven't read that book, but I'll definitely track it down. I always found interesting the way that the guys who ran the remote viewing program in the US described how their unit was eventually wound down, and the official line was touted that no further interest in the techniques they applied exists today. However, before this genteel ending of their mandate, they trained up dozens of black ops guys, who were methodically brought in for training, no questions asked, before being sent out into their respective fields as masters of the techniques, with (in all likelihood) a continuing mandate. It's almost a one line interjection in the fascinating story of the Psi-Spies, but I feel it holds a lot of relevance with regards the planning & oversight of continuing operations, in various units.

The surface story of the original unit can be adhered to in the face of any public questioning - but the black budget almost certainly covers some of these highly skilled individuals/teams. Based on the apparent success of the techniques, it would be stupid not to keep a cadre of practitioners in the stable. Part of me thinks that the intelligence world benefits more than we can imagine from such methods. Perhaps part of the low terror attack incidence in the UK & USA, in the face of such high threat, so many persons wanting to attack, can be traced back to intelligence gleaned by non-typical information gathering of the truly 'spooky' sort...

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