Corbyn the leader to gather the majority and make sure we stay in EU

I have been watching the new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and not necessarily listening to what he has to say, but mostly looking at what has just happened in British politics.

I don't think its stupid for me to say that politics in the UK is becoming a rare talking point, more and more people are so not interested anymore and it appears the biggest reason is that the three biggest parties are so close in terms of policies that in the end there no reason to vote, as you always end up with the same thing anyway, and we have a clear problem in the UK where the majority of people don't vote and the majority of those people are working class and in some cases lower classes.

But we have the looming EU vote in 2017, and these masses need to be gathered up to ensure we stay inside the EU and not vote to leave, and this is where I think is where Corbyn comes in, as his opinion is for us to stay in the EU, which suits the bankers and elite business people all over Europe.

So basically to round myself off, I think if Corbyn wasn't to gather his supporters into voting to stay in the EU, then I think the ones who are left to vote will vote to leave the EU.

The whole scenario will be played out like this I think. The conservatives will back the vote to leave the EU, making the issue a class issue where the perception will be that the higher classes do not want change, and their stuffy attitude to outsiders will mean they will vote to leave, but in terms of numbers they are the minority.

Corbyns followers will be mostly working classes, and are the majority of people in the UK and will fear that leaving the EU will only benefit the rich and upper classes, and leave them vulnerable to loss of jobs and so will vote to stay in the EU.

It seems very coincidental that just at the time that the vote is looming, that there no better time to rally the masses in a class war to ensure we stay in the EU.

a reply to: multichild

I believe that EU membership is worth retaining, as long as those who are for continued membership, are also prepared to fight the spread of corporate power and influence within its halls and corridors.

Corbyn is just such a chap. I have at least a small hope that he will not turn out to be as limp as his predecessors, and every indication is that the small hope I hold in that regard, will be born out in time.

originally posted by: multichild
I have been watching the new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and not necessarily listening to what he has to say, but mostly looking at what has just happened in British politics.

I don't think its stupid for me to say that politics in the UK is becoming a rare talking point, more and more people are so not interested anymore and it appears the biggest reason is that the three biggest parties are so close in terms of policies that in the end there no reason to vote, as you always end up with the same thing anyway, and we have a clear problem in the UK where the majority of people don't vote and the majority of those people are working class and in some cases lower classes.

But we have the looming EU vote in 2017, and these masses need to be gathered up to ensure we stay inside the EU and not vote to leave, and this is where I think is where Corbyn comes in, as his opinion is for us to stay in the EU, which suits the bankers and elite business people all over Europe.

So basically to round myself off, I think if Corbyn wasn't to gather his supporters into voting to stay in the EU, then I think the ones who are left to vote will vote to leave the EU.

I don't know what you are reading but Corbyn has been very disengenuous about EU membership all round, first he doesn't like it, then he retracts saying it, then he says he wants to stay with caveats.

Why do you talk about 'bankers and elite' people as though just saying that makes any sense? If England wasn't in the EU it would actually benefit some of the non-UK European finance industry as London (from a financial perspective) would not be seen as quite as central as it is today. Manufacturing in Europe that want to export to us, and customers we want to export to are more likely to want to consider the union, don't they count?

Cameron's policy at a personal level has been quite clear - if concessions are made by the EU then he believes we should stay in, but he's being the only PM in a generation to put that decision to public vote.

I'm not going to let my personal contempt of Corbyn come into this, but if the vote is to stay in then I'm fairly sure he won't be the main reason why.

a reply to: multichild

…more and more people are so not interested anymore and it appears the biggest reason is that the three biggest parties are so close in terms of policies that in the end there no reason to vote, as you always end up with the same thing anyway…

Like here in the States, career politicians, endless war, burdening debt. You can say that then call for rallying to vote?

Whats wrong with this world order?

Corbyn might just be the Uk's only hope. Seems to me that between Cambridge and Eton it has all been carved up a long time ago.
Nothing has changed since the 1800's. The Rich telling the middle class to blame the poor for all it,s ills.

UK voters will vote us out!! This is why Milly didn't offer a referendum. The Cons believe they wont but they will!

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Corbyn might just be the Uk's only hope. Seems to me that between Cambridge and Eton it has all been carved up a long time ago.
Nothing has changed since the 1800's. The Rich telling the middle class to blame the poor for all it,s ills.

Whatever you think of Cameron and Osbourne et al, why do you think it doesn't apply to Corbyn? He has never, ever worked outside of politics. His whole ideology is based on a system that has never successfully been implemented in the manner in which it is sold unless you can't quasi dictatorships which kind of misses the point.

Some of his objectives may sound laudable dependent on your point of view but are not tested, not costed and not even broadly agreed with by people in his shadow cabinet apart from his fellow comrades, if you think that makes him the UK's only hope then God help us.

More to the point though, his view on EU membership seems to be less than clear, that's the point the OP was about.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I agree, and this is why I think this will become a class issue, and in the end if Corbyn manages to gather up the majority of people in this country who in my opinion didn't vote in the last general election, or are the majority of the 3 million voters that Farage had, then his policies and ideas will become more mainstream to ensure that the global march towards centralizing finance, goods etc is continued with, as the UK is an important cog in that machine.

a reply to: uncommitted

Yes this is what I'm saying, I'm not saying he is our new great hope to British politics, I'm saying his job is to gather the majority and ensure we stay in the EU.

originally posted by: multichild
a reply to: uncommitted

Yes this is what I'm saying, I'm not saying he is our new great hope to British politics, I'm saying his job is to gather the majority and ensure we stay in the EU.

If he is still the leader of the labour party at the time the vote takes place, then I'm sure that if he has made his mind up on whether we should be in or out, some people will listen to him and act accordingly, some people will ignore him, some people may even vote opposite his position because they don't like him. Anyway, as it stands, Alan Johnson will be leading the Labour 'in' campaign.

I respect his convictions. Unlike Milliped I can see he means what he says.

But I am afraid I just dont agree with his political stance.

I am sorry but I dont want to live in a semi communist, nanny state that gets its marching orders from Brussels and Berlin......

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
UK voters will vote us out!! This is why Milly didn't offer a referendum. The Cons believe they wont but they will!

That why I think Labour took such a big hit.

They refused the UK a voice ,a right to choose.

That why I really cant stand labour (not that I like torys much better) as they go by the policy of "the state knows best".

Sorry but I like self determination.

It's a crock, a conspiracy, like all Western politics.

All the mainstream parties have mass immigration built into their respective agendas (ie mass movement of people from third world countries to first world countries, regardless of the skill mix or lack of it, or even necessarily the ability to speak our language).

All the mainstream parties have EU membership built into their respective agendas, regardless of the benefit for the common man or lack of it (well, you didn't think it was meant for our best interests, did you?).

We've had the POTUS wagging a gently admonishing finger and instructing us not to leave the EU club on several occasions; and recently, even the Chinese president has done the same.

These are the movers and shakers of the world and they will do what they will...whether we like it or not.

They have full knowledge of the plan for the world that most of us little people are just becoming vaguely aware of.

We may not know exactly what is happening, we may not have the wherewithal to articulate ourselves. But we do know one simple thing: it doesn't matter a damn who you vote for, or whether you even vote.

There's your apathy.

originally posted by: multichild
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I agree, and this is why I think this will become a class issue, and in the end if Corbyn manages to gather up the majority of people in this country who in my opinion didn't vote in the last general election, or are the majority of the 3 million voters that Farage had, then his policies and ideas will become more mainstream to ensure that the global march towards centralizing finance, goods etc is continued with, as the UK is an important cog in that machine.

It's always been that way with the UK. There really are four economic groups in the UK:

Those receiving benefits; retired, unemployed, disabled (would never vote Conservative, will vote for whoever offers more money)

Those paid from the public sector wallet: teachers, nurses, doctors, administrators, lecturers, professors - will vote Lib-Dem because they think Labour is too radical and wouldn't vote Convervative for fear of funding cuts.

Those running their own businesses; plumbers, joiners, hairdressers, shop owners - they always dread budget day because of what new tax policies would be brought in. They will vote for whoever promises to keep taxes low, provide more services and boost the state pension.

Those making money from providing services to others; bankers, accountants, lawyers - they always vote Conservative to keep taxes down.

Those swing voters that will flip-flop between the parties have all the influence in the outcome of the election. But because so much is decided by the EU, nothing really changes.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: multichild
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I agree, and this is why I think this will become a class issue, and in the end if Corbyn manages to gather up the majority of people in this country who in my opinion didn't vote in the last general election, or are the majority of the 3 million voters that Farage had, then his policies and ideas will become more mainstream to ensure that the global march towards centralizing finance, goods etc is continued with, as the UK is an important cog in that machine.

It's always been that way with the UK. There really are four economic groups in the UK:

Those receiving benefits; retired, unemployed, disabled (would never vote Conservative, will vote for whoever offers more money)

Those paid from the public sector wallet: teachers, nurses, doctors, administrators, lecturers, professors - will vote Lib-Dem because they think Labour is too radical and wouldn't vote Convervative for fear of funding cuts.

Those running their own businesses; plumbers, joiners, hairdressers, shop owners - they always dread budget day because of what new tax policies would be brought in. They will vote for whoever promises to keep taxes low, provide more services and boost the state pension.

Those making money from providing services to others; bankers, accountants, lawyers - they always vote Conservative to keep taxes down.

Those swing voters that will flip-flop between the parties have all the influence in the outcome of the election. But because so much is decided by the EU, nothing really changes.

Not sure I would agree with your comment about public sector workers as they will receive endless mails from the local union rep (even if they are not a member of the union) urging them to vote labour because............... it all went so well last time didn't it. If the majority of the public sector had voted lib dem Nick Clegg would still have a job.

As for retired people, yes, technically they are receiving benefit obviously, but I'm not sure why that means they would never vote tory - a lot do and is a key demographic for any party as they are more likely to vote.

Anyway, it's not really relevant to this thread is it? At this moment the only political party I'm aware of that is pushing for an 'out' vote is UKIP, not sure how well they will fare. There are Eurosceptics in each party, just as there are Europhiles. When the referendum happens it's not something that should be voted on based on the party you would vote for in a general election - unless that party publishes a very clear argument whether we should stay in or out and you happen to agree with them.

originally posted by: multichild
... that there no better time to rally the masses in a class war to ensure we stay in the EU.

Oh no, not Class War. The proletariat is so dated. So "Socialist Worker". So 1970's and 80's. Do real people place themselves in the class system anymore?

Actually, there's a broad coalition of people from all political wings, and none, who will be campaigning to stay in the EU. I will vote to stay in the EU if I can see some concessions. The outcome of the recent Polish elections will be helpful.

Corbyn has been historically ambivalent about Europe and Eurosceptical. The EU does not chide well with his socialist inclination, because of the free market that the EU represents. How the hell can you build a socialist paradise when the EU's rules will stop you?

a reply to: crazyewok

You mean like the one we are in now?! ;~)

Corbyn no thanks our country is in enough of a mess as it is without inserting a fruit-loop communist Muppet
that's never held an actual job in his life outside of politics to the top (stop giggling EU council) job as PM

and if his political leadership is as remotely moonbat mental as his brothers weather forecasting
if he gets in I'll be leaving asap

originally posted by: ShayneJUK
a reply to: crazyewok

You mean like the one we are in now?! ;~)

Thats why I am voteing out in 2017.


The present government is far far far from perfect and has done so crappy things.

But givin how labour were obsessed with a nanny state and how every year his Blairness was in power more rules and laws were put in place, more CCTV and surveillance was inacted , more taxes on things labour deemed "bad for you", mkre social engineering, more politically correct bull#, more diluting of UK education ....... Well lets say I am glad those tyrants are out of power....