While You Were Sleeping: 44% of Republicans Favor an American Theocracy

... and the lines of division just keep growing thicker and thicker

... while the 1% sit back in their custom cowhide leather chairs puffing on their cubans and laughing their asses off.


Don't you people ever grow tired of this pissing match stuff ??

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Funny, I always thought Jesus was a socialist?

Just saying.

Actually jesus wasn't anything. His stance was basically that humans are idiots and cant be trusted with any form of government.

a reply to: dreamingawake

A Public Policy Polling (PPP) national survey conducted between February 20th and February 22nd of Republican voters, found that an astonishing 57 percent of Republicans want to dismantle the Constitution, and establish Christianity as the official national religion. Only 30 percent oppose making Christianity the national religion.

The full survey - NOTE: It's a pdf!

Wow a 316 registered Republicans were surveyed. May as well put it in the hoax bin.

Not to mention the article itself is terrible and uses terrible arguments salon is garbage.

I am an agnostic and an independent so I have no dog in the fight. But its just garbage as usual from Salon

a reply to: infolurker

BTW, if you were worried about a Theocracy, that would have happened already in the 50's-80's when the Religious Super Political Bodies were most popular.

The Christian boogyman is not coming to get you since they are pretty much politically weak compared to decades past and is in heavy decline.

Not altogether true. There is a decline to some degree among the population, and to some degree in government, but make no mistake, Christianity still weighs heavily on the U.S. We have a ways to go before any kind of balance is achieved. Christian privilege is still very much alive in America.
Conscience creep: How religious freedom spiraled out of control
Does it equate to a theocracy? No. However, an official theocracy isn't necessary if Christianity maintains its privileged status, and/or increases its influence on law and policy.

originally posted by: infolurker
But as already mentioned, Why is this a rebuttal to Socialism?

originally posted by: infolurker
And again, how is this a rebuttal to Socialism?

It isn't. The OP says nothing about socialism. Another poster brought that up as a red herring, I presume. And it worked...

There are plenty of people who would LOVE to have their religion validated by the government, but it's not going to happen. The Constitution prohibits it. These nutballs want to blatantly violate the Constitution.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: infolurker
But as already mentioned, Why is this a rebuttal to Socialism?

originally posted by: infolurker
And again, how is this a rebuttal to Socialism?

It isn't. The OP says nothing about socialism. Another poster brought that up as a red herring, I presume. And it worked...

There are plenty of people who would LOVE to have their religion validated by the government, but it's not going to happen. The Constitution prohibits it. These nutballs want to blatantly violate the Constitution.

Also the nutballs make the news and are good at filing paperwork. It doesn't mean they have a large population. Guys like ke Huckabee or Cruz don't have a chance. Carson has tried to mute his whacko ideas but when they come out he won't be elected. People talk about faith to placate those voters but the real religious zealots aren't that popular.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: infolurker

BTW, if you were worried about a Theocracy, that would have happened already in the 50's-80's when the Religious Super Political Bodies were most popular.

The Christian boogyman is not coming to get you since they are pretty much politically weak compared to decades past and is in heavy decline.

Not altogether true. There is a decline to some degree among the population, and to some degree in government, but make no mistake, Christianity still weighs heavily on the U.S. We have a ways to go before any kind of balance is reached. Christian privilege is still very much alive in America.
Conscience creep: How religious freedom spiraled out of control
Does it equate to a theocracy? No. However, an official theocracy isn't necessary if Christianity maintains its privileged status, and/or increases its influence on law and policy.

Depends what part of the country you live in. Mostly no. In the high density population cities no. In rural America in the South yes. All in all I don't think there is such a thing as Christian privledge. Compaired to what?

If the community has Christian ideas they will be sympathetic to Christians. If you live in a Hindu area of Dallas you will have Hindu privledge. As far as Christian legislation its not prevalent. You can't control how people think and you shouldn't want to. Only nutters want that.

Ah the typical anti-theist's wet dream.
Tolerant for everyone, except the religious.

This is a paranoid delusion on a mass scale
that a Christian Theocracy will ever happen in the US.

Do you believe that the US will turn completely
Shariah?
That is the same wet dream that is a paranoid delusion
also.

Neither are going to happen.

Thinking it will only makes the anti-theists have
their little adrenaline rush and high

I have seen this little corporate paranoid delusion
surface over and over on ATS, and that is all it is
a corporate paranoid delusion on the part
of anti-theists looking for an adrenaline high
or looking for a reason to lash out at Christianity.

Probably lashing out because of some hurt feelings
somewhere in life causes this paranoid delusion
to take root. Grow up, get over it
and get a little sanity in your
life, not going to happen.

You can believe that the US will turn Christian Theocracy
if you are equally worried that the US will turn Muslim Theocracy,
that is if you are equally tolerant and equally
paranoid of all religion.

If it was going to happen it would have happened in the 1950's
or earlier when "everyone" went to church and was a Christian.
It would have been extremely easy for evil Christians to take
over the US then. Didn't happen then, certainly won't happen
now in our current anti-theistic climate in the US.


Please people, quit being afraid of a boogie man that isn't coming.

originally posted by: luthier
Wow a 316 registered Republicans were surveyed. May as well put it in the hoax bin.

That's a different poll, taken in February of this year. The OP links to one taken this month, of 1138 registered voters.

KOS
Poll PDF

October 1-4, 2015
Survey of 1,338 registered voters

originally posted by: luthier
Wow a 316 registered Republicans were surveyed. May as well put it in the hoax bin.

Not to mention the article itself is terrible and uses terrible arguments salon is garbage.

I am an agnostic and an independent so I have no dog in the fight. But its just garbage as usual from Salon

I taught Research Methods in Univ.
I would have given an F to any student who thought a survey of 316 people was in any way accurate.

To reach a level of accuracy one needs to survey
at least 3000 people. Any less than 3000 one has
to play with the statistics and hope the result is
reflective of the truth.
316, a joke of a survey and an F- in my class.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: luthier
Wow a 316 registered Republicans were surveyed. May as well put it in the hoax bin.

That's a different poll, taken in February of this year. The OP links to one taken this month, of 1138 registered voters.

KOS
Poll PDF

October 1-4, 2015
Survey of 1,338 registered voters

Not much better or a significant portion of Republican voters.

May I offer up a prayer in all sincerity?


Dear Lord,

Please protect us from your followers!


Amen

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: infolurker

BTW, if you were worried about a Theocracy, that would have happened already in the 50's-80's when the Religious Super Political Bodies were most popular.

The Christian boogyman is not coming to get you since they are pretty much politically weak compared to decades past and is in heavy decline.

Not altogether true. There is a decline to some degree among the population, and to some degree in government, but make no mistake, Christianity still weighs heavily on the U.S. We have a ways to go before any kind of balance is reached. Christian privilege is still very much alive in America.
Conscience creep: How religious freedom spiraled out of control
Does it equate to a theocracy? No. However, an official theocracy isn't necessary if Christianity maintains its privileged status, and/or increases its influence on law and policy.

Depends what part of the country you live in. Mostly no. In the high density population cities no. In rural America in the South yes. All in all I don't think there is such a thing as Christian privledge. Compaired to what?

If the community has Christian ideas they will be sympathetic to Christians. If you live in a Hindu area of Dallas you will have Hindu privledge. As far as Christian legislation its not prevalent. You can't control how people think and you shouldn't want to. Only nutters want that.

Read the link I posted.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: infolurker

BTW, if you were worried about a Theocracy, that would have happened already in the 50's-80's when the Religious Super Political Bodies were most popular.

The Christian boogyman is not coming to get you since they are pretty much politically weak compared to decades past and is in heavy decline.

Not altogether true. There is a decline to some degree among the population, and to some degree in government, but make no mistake, Christianity still weighs heavily on the U.S. We have a ways to go before any kind of balance is reached. Christian privilege is still very much alive in America.
Conscience creep: How religious freedom spiraled out of control
Does it equate to a theocracy? No. However, an official theocracy isn't necessary if Christianity maintains its privileged status, and/or increases its influence on law and policy.

Depends what part of the country you live in. Mostly no. In the high density population cities no. In rural America in the South yes. All in all I don't think there is such a thing as Christian privledge. Compaired to what?

If the community has Christian ideas they will be sympathetic to Christians. If you live in a Hindu area of Dallas you will have Hindu privledge. As far as Christian legislation its not prevalent. You can't control how people think and you shouldn't want to. Only nutters want that.

Read the link I posted.

I did.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: infolurker

BTW, if you were worried about a Theocracy, that would have happened already in the 50's-80's when the Religious Super Political Bodies were most popular.

The Christian boogyman is not coming to get you since they are pretty much politically weak compared to decades past and is in heavy decline.

Not altogether true. There is a decline to some degree among the population, and to some degree in government, but make no mistake, Christianity still weighs heavily on the U.S. We have a ways to go before any kind of balance is reached. Christian privilege is still very much alive in America.
Conscience creep: How religious freedom spiraled out of control
Does it equate to a theocracy? No. However, an official theocracy isn't necessary if Christianity maintains its privileged status, and/or increases its influence on law and policy.

Depends what part of the country you live in. Mostly no. In the high density population cities no. In rural America in the South yes. All in all I don't think there is such a thing as Christian privledge. Compaired to what?

If the community has Christian ideas they will be sympathetic to Christians. If you live in a Hindu area of Dallas you will have Hindu privledge. As far as Christian legislation its not prevalent. You can't control how people think and you shouldn't want to. Only nutters want that.

Read the link I posted.

I did.

Then we agree to disagree.

originally posted by: olaru12
May I offer up a prayer in all sincerity?


Dear Lord,

Please protect us from your followers!


Amen

And please protect us from those
who want a perfect society free from
all religion.
Let them see that Stalin and Mao
tried this and only succeeded in
murdering tens of thousands to
attempt to achieve a perfect
fair, just, and completely equal,
and completely tolerant society free
from the constraints of religion.

Amen.

a reply to: luthier

I'm not making any statement except that that's a different poll. I'm not worried about a theocracy here. It's not going to happen.

Here's my position. I do believe that a substantial portion of US citizens (not just republicans), but Christians, want Christianity to hold a special place among religions, and to be acknowledged as the official religion of the US.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: luthier
Wow a 316 registered Republicans were surveyed. May as well put it in the hoax bin.

Not to mention the article itself is terrible and uses terrible arguments salon is garbage.

I am an agnostic and an independent so I have no dog in the fight. But its just garbage as usual from Salon

I taught Research Methods in Univ.
I would have given an F to any student who thought a survey of 316 people was in any way accurate.

To reach a level of accuracy one needs to survey
at least 3000 people. Any less than 3000 one has
to play with the statistics and hope the result is
reflective of the truth.
316, a joke of a survey and an F- in my class.

The later poll had 1300 and the interpretation from salon is not even accurate to the vague poll itself. When did they call? Where? Etc.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: luthier

I'm not making any statement except that that's a different poll. I'm not worried about a theocracy here. It's not going to happen.

Here's my position. I do believe that a substantial portion of US citizens (not just republicans), but Christians, want Christianity to hold a special place among religions, and to be acknowledged as the official religion of the US.

That crappy poll said 33 percent. It could have been nursing homes surveyed for all we know.

Yes you are right but who cares. People want all kinds of stuff. I am pretty much a social liberal but there are social liberal ideas that disgust me. The reaction lately is to do the opposite of what the other side does instead of figure out how to work together through compromise and solutions. Salon is a huge instigator. It's like using Glen Beck as a source.