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While You Were Sleeping: Among Democrats 49% Favorable To Socialism

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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Annee
Socialism will only work if everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.

There needs to be a culture change. People need to value their own worth --- meaning what they can contribute --- not what they can take from.

Education: can you contribute through science, medical, a trade, as a teacher, etc.

The culture of reproducing ourselves irresponsibly needs serious evaluation.



Wow. Now that is an awesome statement.

You are right on the money. Socialism always fails when those who want to receive do not want to contribute and they will always support a Government that will give them more (See: Greece). It always happens.


Reasons I rarely discuss my politics on ATS.

Real and extreme decisions need to be made. Ya can't just bumble along throwing a band-aid on a sinking system.

What will it take?




posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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That's why the crash. They love to get votes telling the rats they will live even more fecklessly, they just don't bother to add in the mass kill back and the people that vote for them are mindless. They vote based on what's in their childish head, not what's in the head of their messiahs.
The only wrench is it hurts everyone, not just the idiots.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

Inflation has removed 95% of the poor people's wealth, and 95% the employer's payrolls.

Inflation is from Socialism, the ditz at the door who let in the vampire.


99% of inflation is due to a debt based society that allows usury, and a system that has given private bankers the ability to control the monitary supply.

Inflation is not from Socialism.

Eliminate private banks and usury and we would move into a deflationary model. A model where products get cheaper as production costs decrease.



The banks lend money that is counterfeit, as in fractional reserve money. That is the reason for inflation.

Usury is a prejudiced term. Interest is payment to the lender for money that cannot be used by the lender.

Banks lend out the money and then spend it too.

Socialism is the only way to justify a legal counterfeit money. And socialism/collectivism/progressivism has done that.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: [post=19963914]Teikiatsu
And I repeat. 49% of Democrats don't understand what Socialism is.


Then 49% of Democrats realize that whatever we have now, whatever you want to call it...isn't working. It's working for the really, really wealthy people. It isn't working for the rest of us. Poor people are still poor, the middle class is getting poorer and it's a realization that this isn't something new, this didn't just happen over the past decade. There's a systemic problem and people realize that.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:07 PM
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Perhaps an interesting experiment would be to take a couple of cities where socialism is a popular concept, and set up a system where these people can voluntarily give as much as they want. Actually see if people really 'want' to contribute to a socialistic pot of money.

If you live in the US and really witness section 8 communities, or if you work in a hospital or government office and come into contact with the welfare class on a regular basis, it's pretty clear these programs aren't working. It's not individuals, it's entire families, communities, it's a culture. They have lost the culture of working as a lifestyle, they mooch as a lifestyle.

They look for easy money, short term gains, no long term planning. They're most all on some form of disability, healthy young men and women. The availability of free money isn't helping these people, it's destroying them.

Americans used to move to find work, across states, across the country. Now you see the welfare class on the news,
"where's the jobs? I wanna work but there ain't no jobs."

People used to try hard to find a job, any job, now they refuse to make the slightest effort. They want "someone" to bring a job to them.


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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: links234

Exactly, everyone making under $15 per hour is getting screwed and tired of taking it up the A$$ while the owners and executives of the banks and corporations party like rock stars each day.

If the capitalist didn't want Socialism they should have made sure their was guaranteed employment at a living wage. Failure to do so has caused the sheep to demand change, any change.


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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: [post=19963914]Teikiatsu
And I repeat. 49% of Democrats don't understand what Socialism is.


Then 49% of Democrats realize that whatever we have now, whatever you want to call it...isn't working. It's working for the really, really wealthy people. It isn't working for the rest of us. Poor people are still poor, the middle class is getting poorer and it's a realization that this isn't something new, this didn't just happen over the past decade. There's a systemic problem and people realize that.


All true and only possible by Progressive good intentions.

Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are not capitalistic. Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are creatures of politics.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: [post=19963914]Teikiatsu
And I repeat. 49% of Democrats don't understand what Socialism is.


Then 49% of Democrats realize that whatever we have now, whatever you want to call it...isn't working. It's working for the really, really wealthy people. It isn't working for the rest of us. Poor people are still poor, the middle class is getting poorer and it's a realization that this isn't something new, this didn't just happen over the past decade. There's a systemic problem and people realize that.


All true and only possible by Progressive good intentions.

Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are not capitalistic. Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are creatures of politics.



To be specific: Fabian Socialist is what you are describing.


The difference between the Marxist and the Fabian is an important difference. From Marx’s point of view, socialism was going to be the answer to the capitalist economic system. Marx divided the human race into two groups, the proletariat and the bourgeois. The bourgeois needed to be eliminated so that there could be peace on earth, and goodwill to all the socialists. In 1848 Marx and his followers from the Communist Manifesto looked upon private property as the origin of evil itself.


Fabians‘, instead of dividing the world between the two groups, decided that they were going to bring about socialism through a more peaceful process. Fabians‘ decided that they were not going to use the heavy hand. They were going to go slowly and surely. Marxist socialism is revolutionistic, whereas Fabianism is evolutionistic.

The Fabian strategy is a strategy where pitched battles and frontal assaults are avoided in favor of wearing down an opponent (the people) through a war of attrition and misdirection. While still avoiding decisive battles, the side employing this strategy harasses its enemy (the people) through skirmishes to cause chaos, attrition, disrupted supplies and to affect morale. Employment of this strategy implies that the eventual winners (the powers that are or want to be) believes that time is on their side. It was adopted when no feasible alternative strategy could be devised.

The first Fabian Society advocated tenets of social justice to influence the "Spirit of the times" of Liberal reforms (shifting from a laissez-faire system to a more "Collective" system during the early 1900s). These Fabian proposals were considerably more PROGRESSIVE than those that were enacted in the Liberal reform legislation at the time. It continues to this day
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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:11 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

WHILE WE WERE SLEEPING our democratic republic turned into an Oligarchy no one wants.
Socialism is sounding a damn sight better than the corporatism we have here now. What would you call it if you wanted your government to make decisions that favor the worker, the middleclass or mainstream of society instead of the wealthiest and major corporate interests. I think people are wanting that and calling it socialism. Don't worry. It isn't the Hitler-Stalin kind of "socialism" that despots gave a bad name to. This one is created by the people, for the people.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: hammanderr

Agreed 100%.

Guaranteed employment would be a far better use of tax money then guaranteed money for the unemployed.

I don't blame the women on welfare, but many of them have kids in their late 30s just to stay in the system. They really don't know what else to do and have lost all motivation to try.

This is not the fault of those on welfare, it is a system problem.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Annee
Socialism will only work if everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.

There needs to be a culture change. People need to value their own worth --- meaning what they can contribute --- not what they can take from.


And of course, it necessarily follows that socialism can only work if irresponsible people are always forced into absolute compliance with whatever is deemed to be responsible. Which results in exactly what we have seen from the most severe socialist regimes. Extremely harsh policies and punishment for the slightest indiscretions and deviations from the rules.


First thing I'd do is require a license to reproduce. Put a quota on what is sustainable within each individual system (city).

Require the health of the planet as #1 priority - - - to be self-sustaining. (That does not make me a Tree Hugger, that makes me someone who tries to watch "Pale Blue Dot" about once a week).

Humans need to stop acting like deserving cockroaches.

Told you my politics was extreme.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: links234

Exactly, everyone making under $15 per hour is getting screwed and tired of taking it up the A$$ while the owners and executives of the banks and corporations party like rock stars each day.

If the capitalist didn't want Socialism they should have made sure their was

guaranteed employment


Guaranteed employment is a socialist sentiment. A guaranteed job, means a locked in job, which means a job that cannot be modified, which means a controlled economy, to insure that that job will always be, which means an economy that will never be more than it is right now.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: [post=19963914]Teikiatsu
And I repeat. 49% of Democrats don't understand what Socialism is.


Then 49% of Democrats realize that whatever we have now, whatever you want to call it...isn't working. It's working for the really, really wealthy people. It isn't working for the rest of us. Poor people are still poor, the middle class is getting poorer and it's a realization that this isn't something new, this didn't just happen over the past decade. There's a systemic problem and people realize that.


All true and only possible by Progressive good intentions.

Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are not capitalistic. Megacorps and counterfeit money printing banks are creatures of politics.



To be specific: Fabian Socialist is what you are describing.


Intervention begets more intervention. Collectivism/socialism is all or nothing, eventually.

Fabianism is a tactic, the end result is top down control. It works a lot like inflation -- because intervention begets more intervention.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

You can either guarantee the unemployed a job, or you can guarantee poverty.

You are against helping or employing the poor. So I guess you think they should just be homeless and beg for food?

You provide no solution.

Guaranteeing the unemployed a public works job does not lock anyone into employment. The private sector would pay more and thus be more desirable.

IMO you don't have any solution for the bigger picture, you simply know that you don't want to pay for it.


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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Annee
Socialism will only work if everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.

There needs to be a culture change. People need to value their own worth --- meaning what they can contribute --- not what they can take from.


And of course, it necessarily follows that socialism can only work if irresponsible people are always forced into absolute compliance with whatever is deemed to be responsible. Which results in exactly what we have seen from the most severe socialist regimes. Extremely harsh policies and punishment for the slightest indiscretions and deviations from the rules.


First thing I'd do is require a license to reproduce. Put a quota on what is sustainable within each individual system (city).

Require the health of the planet as #1 priority - - - to be self-sustaining. (That does not make me a Tree Hugger, that makes me someone who tries to watch "Pale Blue Dot" about once a week).

Humans need to stop acting like deserving cockroaches.

Told you my politics was extreme.



I could have told you that before you even knew it.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Annee
Socialism will only work if everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.

There needs to be a culture change. People need to value their own worth --- meaning what they can contribute --- not what they can take from.


And of course, it necessarily follows that socialism can only work if irresponsible people are always forced into absolute compliance with whatever is deemed to be responsible. Which results in exactly what we have seen from the most severe socialist regimes. Extremely harsh policies and punishment for the slightest indiscretions and deviations from the rules.



Told you my politics was extreme.

I like it.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Then GET RID of those who defy such logisc the enemy IS and always has been Oligarchs who control finance.
Capitalism if run in a less predatory system ..ACTUALLY FOLLOWING the law instead of side stepping it.
I hear on this forum that the 1950s nuclear family vision is a fantasy .WE can do what we want as we are the more numerous.
Following a failed system, the current one we are under or Socialism won't do,I 've been in those countries where a despot has been a parasite who abbused their peoole with might makes right systems.
I don't and DIDN'T intend to fight for the system ,we now know quite clearly ,to be false, I fought for my people.
THEY used me and are using us all.

Under a messianic man Socialism could exist ,under myself or any other human on this world it would lead to abuse NONE are wise enough.
I give you a country ruled by a scientist as an example MERKEL in Germany.
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posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: Annee

If we don't expand into space we are already dying anyway.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: Loveaduck

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Annee
Socialism will only work if everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.

There needs to be a culture change. People need to value their own worth --- meaning what they can contribute --- not what they can take from.


And of course, it necessarily follows that socialism can only work if irresponsible people are always forced into absolute compliance with whatever is deemed to be responsible. Which results in exactly what we have seen from the most severe socialist regimes. Extremely harsh policies and punishment for the slightest indiscretions and deviations from the rules.



Told you my politics was extreme.

I like it.


Well, ALL countries are now capable of blowing up the planet.

Maybe the survivors will learn from history. But, probably not - - they never have so far.



posted on Oct, 25 2015 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Annee

If we don't expand into space we are already dying anyway.


Oh GAWD!

Don't even get me started on how religion has severely held us back from where we should be in space exploration.

Now, how can I re-direct that to Socialism?


My form of Socialism would favor science and a practical/realistic approach to evolving to other planets.
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