In an interesting twist, the FSA rejects help from Russia

a reply to: markosity1973

Russians are no saints. It's like the white spy asking the black spy for intel (spy vs spy reference, hope you get it).

When the white or black spy helps the other one, they ALWAYS got blown up.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: markosity1973

Russians are no saints. It's like the white spy asking the black spy for intel (spy vs spy reference, hope you get it).

When the white or black spy helps the other one, they ALWAYS got blown up.

By the same token, Americans are not very trustworthy either. The number of International laws the USA has broken in the middle east is rather interesting.

Interestingly, our government here in Australia seems to be softening it's stance on Assad and actually considering working with Russia, but it obviously wants to toe the line with long time ally America too, so it is not jumping in boots and all just yet.

www.abc.net.au...

a reply to: markosity1973

Russia: Hey FSA, give us your coordinates so we avoid hitting your bases and we will help you fight ISIS.

FSA: No way over my dead body, you're not getting any coordinates from US. Why should we give it, when you guys can't distinguish us from ISIS and other rebel groups

Russia: Oh well, we only tried to help..Then don't blame us and go cry a river to big brother WEST, if your bases fall under our radar, because we cannot distinguish you lot.

a reply to: markosity1973

Because the moment the US turns over the info that info will be forwarded to the Syrians. Besides Russia has been lying about attacking ISIS so why should it be believed the Russians wont attack the FSA anyways?

a reply to: Xcathdra

So, you want to say it with memes huh? EXCELLENT IDEA







I think we need this guy back in the USA



To sum up;



Oh no wait, someone is. And their name is Russia

a reply to: markosity1973

No InnerPeace2012 likes to use them.. I thought I would add some equally ridiculous ones. Little did I know you could take the prize and out do us.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Lolz, it was fun.

But yeah, they can be an amusing way to make a point.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: Xcathdra

Lolz, it was fun.

But yeah, they can be an amusing way to make a point.

Or distract from the fact there is no point to be made.

a reply to: Bone75

"Turkish Whistleblowers Corroborate Story on False Flag Sarin Attack in Syria" www.globalresearch.ca...

The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’)

www.lrb.co.uk...

Caugh caugh .....the western MSM in all of it's coverage of what did happen what is happening and what will happen is a narrative that has gone past the point of adding salt but will be forever stuck in the pickle jar ,only to be taken out to show people why they cant be trusted ...caugh caugh

a reply to: the2ofusr1


Ah.. Globalresearch....

enough said.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Sorry bud .CNN/FOX and the other's don't quite have the stuff .Seymour Hersh is the investigative reporter that uncovered what really happened . I will use loony tunes as a source if they are telling the truth .Western MSM has lost creditability in a lot of peoples eyes . I think Paul Craig Roberts has them pegged when he calls the pressutitutes . In fact I see a lot of alternative journalist call them that ....

a reply to: the2ofusr1

You mean Peter Lee?

Interesting it blames Turkey.... yet not surprised considering the source.

I find the report credible, taking into full account the fact that the CHP (Erdogan’s center-left Kemalist rivals) and Today’s Zaman (whose editor-in-chief, Bulent Kenes was recently detained on live TV for insulting Erdogan in a tweet) are on the outs with Erdogan.

To bad Hirsch reported something different the first go around with it -

Syrian Civil War Source

During the Syrian Civil War US President Obama had argued in a 2012 speech that a chemical attack in Syria would constitute crossing a "red line" and that this would trigger a US military intervention against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.[46] Since his speech, and prior to the chemical attacks in Ghouta, chemical weapons were suspected to have been used in at least four attacks in the country.[47] On 23 March 2013, the Syrian government requested the UN send inspectors to investigate an incident in town of Khan al-Assal, where it said opposition forces had used chlorine-filled rockets.[48] However, on 25 April US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel stated that US intelligence showed the Assad government had likely used chemical weapons – specifically sarin gas.[49]

On 8 December 2013, the London Review of Books published an online article by Hersh alleging that President Obama had "omitted important intelligence, and in others he presented assumptions as facts" in his assertion during his televised speech of 10 September that Bashar Al-Assad regime had been responsible for the use of sarin in the Ghouta chemical attack of 21 August 2013 against a rebel-held district of Damascus.[50] In particular, Hersh wrote of anonymous intelligence sources telling him that the Syrian army was not the only agency with access to sarin, referring to the Al-Nusra Front Jihadist group, and that, during the period before the Ghouta attack, secretly implanted sensors at the country's known bases had not detected suspicious movements suggesting a forthcoming chemical attack in the period.[50] The New Yorker and The Washington Post had both decided against publishing Hersh's account.[51]

Eliot Higgins an amateur blogger, using youtube video evidence, argued that the munitions used in the Ghouta attack were only possessed by Syrian government forces, apparently ruling out state-sponsored rebels.[citation needed] He claims the range of the rockets used is consistent with them being fired from government-held territory, though this was discerned through watching videos on YouTube and referencing Google Earth.[citation needed] In a MintPress News interview between MIT professor Theodore Postol, Hersh, and Higgins, Postol supported Hersh's assessment and criticized Higgins, saying the latter "has done a very nice job collecting information on a website. As far as his analysis, it's so lacking any analytical foundation it's clear he has no idea what he's talking about."[52]

Care to point out in his earlier articles where Turkey is mentioned? Or is Globalresearch using Hersh's article in a sad effort to try and support their claim about turkey?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Turkey is neck deep in this mess .There was a audio of a conversation where they were going to use their assets in Syria to launch a false flag on a religious site in Turkey so they could go to war in Syria . Turkey did get the no fly zone they wanted though . Russia has that under their control . I watched a interesting vid recently also that was talking about these guest camps Turkey has set up . They call them guest camps so that they don't have to allow Int. Observers in to check out the refugees . My guess is that they are for ISIS fighters and the real refugees have been shipped off to the rest of Europe . imo .... Just like the sniper's in Ukraine ,so too did they have them in the earlier days of the Syrian experience that was reported on by Webster Tarpley ..... Lots of tid bits being added to the story and Lee and Hersh are adding some things that make you go mmmmm

ETA Oh and Eliot Higgins an amateur blogger has put out some gems ,hasn't he ....He has a place in Brussels ,not far from NATO and is mentioned by NATO . You would think he might get some real intelligence from them but seems to use and re-use social media for his stories . I can see why in a sense as Russia seems to have a black out electronic jamming device that is not allowing NATO to know much of what the Russian's and the Syrian's are doing .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Right.. claims made by you in your post that cant be supported so you go for spin. how about trying to support your post before trying to change the discussion?

Some good discussion on the Russian offer to the rebels. . . .
Looks like it will be no deal as any information given to Russia will be given to Assad. . . .

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I am starting to wonder if Putin is coming to the conclusion he may have bitten off more than he can chew on this one. Airstrikes alone wont stop ISIS and I dont see Russians warming to the idea of troop deployment there. Iran is sending troops but io have seen discussion where they are not happy about how its going and are blaming Syrian leadership.

So the FSA declared war on Russia. Good, it helps keep things simple. Now we can go back to a terrorist being a terrorist no matter who signs their pay check.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Uhm no.

You guys just make it up as you go dont you.