David Icke - Your Take?

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posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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Someone made a very funny comment the other day regarding the David Icke interview, I'll try and paraphrase it from memory...

"...yeah, it seems kinda weird that the world's foremost authority on reptilian aliens on earth hasn't heard of the Lacerta Interviews."

"Not really. You don't expect him to buy into the bull5hit he peddles do you?"


That was one of the funniest things I've read in a long time, and it rang very true to me also.

The best drug dealers are those who never so much as touch the substance they are selling.

It's all about the Benjamins.

I've always found it hard to accept that any man with a rational mind can accept the suggestion that QE2 is a lizard in disguise, but now he's coming out with this new "We're trapped in a matrix style hologram" - it seems to me he's seeing how far he can push it before even his most loyal fans turn around and say, "Hang on a minute Dave, you're full of 5hit."

There was a time when I thought that at least the man himself was convinced by his own nonsensical ideas, & I'd have labelled him as a misguided crusader; but I fear that may have been far too honourable a label.

I've decided, after the thought sparked by the aforementioned humerous comment, that this man actually doesn't believe for a second ANY of the theories proposed in his books, & I can genuinely see Mr Icke in ten or twenty years publicly debunking himself and his crazy ideas and thanking all those who bought his theories for all the many thousands of dollars they have contributed to his bank account by buying his books. I'm not kidding, I can see it happening.

The man could well be a prolific peddler of so called disinformation - deliberately put out into the realm of the conspiracy theorists' community in order that he may one day be publicly debunked (probably by himself) and the conspiracy theory community is left with egg on its face at being taken in by yet another proved hoax. It wouldn't be the first time in principle, mini versions of this phenomenon are seen to happen frequently on the internet - a photo of a "genuine" alien is published by a journalist, the conspiracy community adopts it as proof, the journalist turns around and says "Ha - if you believed this it proves you lack credibility cos it's a guaranteed hoax" - we all know it happens.

David Icke will be the granddaddy of this phenomenon, designed to leave egg on our collective face. I mean, the world's a hologram - this makes the queen being a lizard - sorry - "reptid" - seem almost reasonable.

Agreed?





V




posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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but now he's coming out with this new "We're trapped in a matrix style hologram"


He must have really taken that Omni article a while back, to heart, hehe...

New theory = New cash cow and more books sold...

What if Icke is really a lizard???
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[edit on 3-1-2005 by Gazrok]



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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I have to admit that I haven't read any of Icke's theories but the idea that the universe is like a hologram is not as crazy as it first seems.

Try and get your hands on a copy of "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot

The book is based on a theory pioneered by a physicist called Bohm (Einstein once called him his "intellectual successor") and quantum physicist Karl Pribram

I'm currently in the middle of reading it. The theory is also supposedly capable of explaining many unexplained phenomena such as telepathy, synchronicity, out of body experiences etc.

I'm not saying I definitely believe it, but just that its not a completely crazy idea.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:02 PM
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I've always found it hard to accept that any man with a rational mind can accept the suggestion that QE2 is a lizard in disguise, but now he's coming out with this new "We're trapped in a matrix style hologram" - it seems to me he's seeing how far he can push it before even his most loyal fans turn around and say, "Hang on a minute Dave, you're full of 5hit."


The matrix style holograph he talks about is a metaphor for our illusory lives and the holographic nature of the universe. He does not actually mean we are in a computerized virtual reality.

The Queen being a lizard is definitely very far-out. However, to dismiss it of-hand without hearing his case would be very ignorant.


I've decided, after the thought sparked by the aforementioned humerous comment, that this man actually doesn't believe for a second ANY of the theories proposed in his books, & I can genuinely see Mr Icke in ten or twenty years publicly debunking himself and his crazy ideas and thanking all those who bought his theories for all the many thousands of dollars they have contributed to his bank account by buying his books. I'm not kidding, I can see it happening.


Not does he write books he also goes on tours internationally promulgating his theories and extensively researches for his books. I have little doubt that he doesn't have convinction in his writings.

I remember someone suggesting that he could possibly be a disinformation agent employed by the Illumanti. I personally don't think so.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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My take on David Icke? I think he does a good job of researching his material, such as the interconnecting brotherhoods that go back to the dawn of human civilization, back to the Middle East. He exposes a lot of material that pisses people off, which is why I think many don't want to "buy" into his researched material. Too many people are stuck into certain beliefs that are peddled by the ruling classes and hierarchy--the population practically believes everything they are fed by the Government and controlled media.

Lots of people buy his books which probably means he is conveying a message that is being accepted by a lot of people. Most importantly, he is conveying messages of a new reality of hope, love, and compassion for ourselves and those around us.

David Icke is laying a foundation for a new way of thinking and perceiving the world, one which is much different, probably better, than the controlled crap fed to you by the media. His is one of freedom.

The many people who buy his books and attend his conferences seem to think so.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:31 PM
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Much of Icke's info is top notch. The concept of a holographic universe is quite viable if you realise that on the cellular level most objects (including us) are just empty spaces.

His information with regards the Illuminati, Annunaki etc have been collected from a wide range of sources, including Sitchin himself. The idea of 'multiples' have been (I believe) proved correct (MKULTRA) and Bohemian Grove definitely does exist, as does the statue of Moloch.

The idea of shapechanging also seems possible. He suggested the following experiment: Take a plate of sand and place it on top of a speaker. Play a tune - the sand will make a particular pattern. Play a different tune and the pattern will change. Now play the original tune - the sand will revert back to the original. If an extraterrestrial had the ability to manipulate its structure by the use of soundwaves, that is how it would work.

As for the reptilians - I haven't seen one but I have seen people who are cold enough to appear so. The jury is out on that one, methinks.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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The idea of shapechanging also seems possible. He suggested the following experiment: Take a plate of sand and place it on top of a speaker. Play a tune - the sand will make a particular pattern. Play a different tune and the pattern will change. Now play the original tune - the sand will revert back to the original. If an extraterrestrial had the ability to manipulate its structure by the use of soundwaves, that is how it would work.


That was very fascinating. It provoked a thought. It is said in ancient Indian mythology that a shape shifting reptillians existed. To expose them, the Indian witch doctors played a very high pitched sound from an instrument and it caused them to revert to their original reptillian form.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 02:35 PM
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Wow, I just went and amazon'd michael talbot's book and it looks pretty amazing - I might just have to pick a copy up - thanks nibiru.

I won't however, be buying david icke's next book


Although who knows, if someone sells him to me i might be lining his pockets myself - for the sake of critical research you understand.




V



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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Oh yeah - no offensive tone intended - do you honestly believe that sand on speaker experiment proves the possibility of humans morphing into reptiles?

Can't see the connection myself.

Anyone?



V



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Honestly I think Ike is a master of manipulation, and I suspect him of brainwashing people. Notice in his interviews with ATS he says "Read my books they will tell you more about that" I believe he said that because he can't brain wash some one through an interview. The man has some serious issues, I see him as the Vernon Howell of the 21st century.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by iksmodnad
Honestly I think Ike is a master of manipulation, and I suspect him of brainwashing people. Notice in his interviews with ATS he says "Read my books they will tell you more about that" I believe he said that because he can't brain wash some one through an interview. The man has some serious issues, I see him as the Vernon Howell of the 21st century.


Or it could be something simple like this: Icke speaks and thinks very fast (hes British
) and if someone genuinly asks him a question he cant give a satisfactory answer to without writing a 5-10 minute reply he simply asks the interested person to look into his books for the full story.

I own about 3 books that concerns among other things the reptilian agenda, no Icke books though. I dont think he is the most interesting person who speaks about the lizards you see. There are several others.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 05:15 PM
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"Notice in his interviews with ATS he says "Read my books they will tell you more about that""


I totally noticed that! It slipped my mind to bring it up earlier.

The amount of times he plugged his books was unbeleivable,

"So David, do you eat cereals for breakfast? A simple yes or no answer will more than suffice; in fact, if we get anything other than a monosyllabic answer out of your mouth we shall be gravely dissapointed."

"You'll have to read my books, "And the truth shall set you free", "Alice in Wonderland", "Children of the Matrix" and "Lizardmen rule the earth" for the answer to that one, it really is too much to answer in a short interview."

Yeah, I noticed that.

Money money money




V



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by iksmodnad
Notice in his interviews with ATS he says "Read my books they will tell you more about that" I believe he said that because he can't brain wash some one through an interview.


I dont think its a matter of brainwashing people its a matter of selling books. Why give a free answer when you can get someone to pay for it?

Edit

Come on yall knew I would post soomer or later


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posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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"Icke speaks and thinks very fast (hes British ) and if someone genuinly asks him a question he cant give a satisfactory answer to without writing a 5-10 minute reply"

See when some one "talks fast" the facts get messed up, your brain can't comprehend it so you say to your self out of confusion "Oh ok?" .. "huh O! I get it" ... "that makes sense" , combined that with a massive amount of information, that gives a combination for brainwashing. Its really easy to do. All he is doing is making outrageous claims and making sense out of them. With conspiracy you should always drawl you own conclusions Ike is making them for you without you even knowing it.



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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You know he use to be a professional soccer player before. I believe some of his theories like the one were the bloodlines mean alot to the elite rich and there conquest for new world order. Because they are trying to get the perfect bloodline which will be the new anti christ.Which is a person which will reveal the Illuminati

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posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 10:52 PM
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im happy to see most of you scoff at this guy

hes an obvious BS'er
in my opinion

those whom use wild claims to sell books usually are just
Greedy Money Hungery BS'ers

personally i dont believe in the silly reptile theorys because there isnt a single SHRED of EVIDENCE for it!!!

oh ya?
Show me the Reptilians bones
show me its DNA samples
show me a body

wheres the concrete evidence?
oh ya; it probably doesnt exist at all

because its obvious that we are WASTING our time on this stuff

we should spend our time investigating credible UFO storys instead of stupid theorys based on NO evidence
heck theres nothing proving Reptilians existance
Especially NO evidence supporting these "shapeshifter" claims and
certainly NO evidence supporting the suggestion that these Reptilians "rule earth" or are involved in "secret government positions of power"

saying a human being like GWB or QE2 is a reptile in disguise is just absolutely rediculous
theres NO evidence of it
theres not even a HINT of evidence pointing in that direction

its just people whom i believe to be silly and rediculous, whom are VERY BORED with normal life and find it Unexciting ; so what do they do? go believe in every reptiloid conspiracy theory out on the internet....

i dont have a CLUE why people believe in this stuff tho
other than boredom

earthlife with humans just dont exite their imagination anymore i suppose

and yes ill shut up and apoligize if anyone can offer me Serious Conclusive Concrete evidence of the existance of a reptilian race of aliens or terrestrial underground remanents of the dinosaurs or Whatever crazy explanation there is....

And NO, silly pictures of reptiloids from Stargate SG-1 or StarTrek wont be considered "evidence"
And NO, silly quotes from wildmen like David Icke is NOT evidence either!

I WANT a BODY!!
a Scale sample at least! so we can reveal to the world the evidence

until then, i consider it quackery


sorry to be blunt but theres thousand of people claiming the existance of this phenomena and there isnt ONE shred of evidence!

if there is? im waitin to see it!



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 08:43 AM
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"Those who do not investigate are often suprised by the beliefs of those who do"
-- Brian Zebeaune

Every single of the great minds we today admire was laughed at by his or her contemporaries. Still today thousands of years later, we have not managed to learn the most simple of all lessons:"Investigation comes before dismissal".

The ignorant will always laugh, and the wise will always ponder...

So when our visitors are so very much more advanced than us, perhaps the feat is not so great...



Sincerely

Cade



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 09:29 AM
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personally i dont believe in the silly reptile theorys because there isnt a single SHRED of EVIDENCE for it!!!

oh ya?
Show me the Reptilians bones
show me its DNA samples
show me a body

wheres the concrete evidence?
oh ya; it probably doesnt exist at all


One could say the same thing about aliens of course...

However, at least with aliens, we have thousands of witnesses throughout time. We see them in the art of old. We also have numerous photos and videos of their craft, as well as reams of documentation from the government supporting their existence.

We don't have this with the Reptoids. While one can mention a lizard headed statue, we cannot throw out that peoples often worshipped animal headed gods, so this is likely taken out of context. Whereas with a UFO in a Renaissance painting, it's hard to take a saucer in the sky with people looking up in awe at it, out of context.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 10:21 AM
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David Icke does a great service to those who keep this secret a secret. By throwing out such wild stories and claiming them to be the truth without any evidence whatsoever he manages to do more harm to this subject than most other people who make these claims. If only because he is so visible in the media. Most likely this visibility is by design to get as much of the public as possible a chance to hear his views and get turned off.



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 10:41 AM
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I have been none too impressed with David Icke not because of his theories but because they are basically ripped from other people. As Pisky pointed out much of his stuff is essentially a collection of work by others. The only original idea he seems to push is that Bush is a reptile. Got anything else bud? Lets see:



Alex Jones has been an advocate about the elite bloodlines and NWO for quite some time. He is certainly not the only person to talk about this. Alex also made the tape about Bohemian Grove as well.

The whole sand over speaker experiment is called Cymatics. Does it prove shapeshifting? Maybe, maybe not. It IS interesting tho and also not something David Icke came up with.

Cassiopaea claims to be able to channel with aliens and talks at length about Lizzies living in the fourth dimension (density) and uses Grays as their slaves in this world. I was reading their site before hearing about Icke so I thought he ripped the whole concept off of them at first.

He also capitalizes on the whole Matrix movie concept.


IMO, He's done nothing but repackage other people's research/theories and compile it in a book. I've tried reading one his book once and it was just too open-ended conspiratorial type which I found boring and insubstantial. Better off just reading his sources then his book.



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