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Bernie Sanders' Religion is Collectivism

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posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther
I don't want godless people in charge. I don't want anyone "in charge", for that matter, but least of all people who have no connection to something greater than themselves.


I guess you would prefer to have someone that believe in the Apocalypse, you know, the people that believe that if ever everything goes wrong that daddy Jesus will come save us.

I wouldn't trust a believer because he would have no accountability.

The only thing that should be required if belief in your population and the belief of a better tomorrow.




posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


I seriously doubt any of his supporters believe in God.

And, as usual, you'd be wrong! We are concerned about making sure that EVERYONE has enough to eat, a roof, clothing, health care, and basic security (including YOU and YOURS).
DID JESUS NOT TEACH THAT?

Yes, he did.
So - how is it that Sanders supporters are such heathens, when they are supporting WHAT SANDERS IS SUGGESTING, which is WHAT JESUS SUGGESTED. We don't think about excluding others, behaving like snarling mongrels when a kitten gets within five feet of the the food dish.



But, we know - you're living in your own little put-upon fantasy land, projecting onto the rest of us what you "think" we think - and no amount of protesting by us will ever change that.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of
grievances.

In the language of the day, this meant you can be any religion you please and it is your personal business.

Too bad the people on the street of this country have no clue how free they could be if they even knew what freedom was at all.

Religion should not ever be a consideration in any way in politics, ever.

This, in reality, is just another "non-issue" to anyone who can think.

The distraction of it all works to accomplish as little as possible as usual.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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6 pages in this thread and not one person has mentioned Article 6 of The Constitution which states, in part:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

THIS is why Senator Sanders didn't just say Yes or No... Because the answer is irrelevant! I'm always reading people on ATS bleating about the sanctity of The Constitution but only when it applies to the second amendment I guess.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Does that not suggest ideological substitution?


Not to me... I guess to someone who's looking for something to bitch about, maybe.


originally posted by: NthOther
I don't want godless people in charge.


So, you want a religious test, which violates the Constitution...


originally posted by: NthOther
A "cultural Jew" who uses his jewness to his advantage when it suits him, ignoring all the rest of it.


Oh! OK. I see where this is going...


originally posted by: NthOther
He used the word "god", then was asked if he believed in God (because he himself used the word).


Have you ever used any of these words? Leprechaun, unicorn, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus? If you have, then you must believe in them!


originally posted by: NthOther
Unwittingly offending people in the process, but ok.


Only those looking for something to be offended about.


originally posted by: grandmakdw
I seriously doubt any of his supporters believe in God.


You WOULD! LOL!



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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When threads like this are all conservatives have left to try to "discredit" an opponent with, you folks might just as well admit you got nothing to offer candidate-wise. I mean, if you did, you'd be arguing points based on policy differences, not mundane BS like "ZOMG! He said god in a figure of speech & then refused to admit religious ties!!'

Ermagerd moment this is. Totally worth a meme.
Valid point of contention it is not. God forbid someone says an old, entrenched figure of speech. OH MY GOD, I just did it! I'm an Atheist, so I must win a prize for making the OP's head explode or something, right?



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: NthOther

I say "God Forbid" all the time and I am not religious any way.

Does that mean I'm secretly hiding my religious beliefs, or misdirecting or whatever other nonsense is being suggested? No, it does not. What it DOES mean is that I use the phrase "God Forbid" whenever the hell I want to because it fits the conversation that I am having at the time.


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posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: theplu

Scary part is if he was familiar with Article 6, he failed to mention it...

Maybe because he didn't want to confuse the hell out of all those zombies in front of their TV hearing this.

That would have been interesting to say the least, as the constitution was written to limit infringement on the natural born rights of the people by the government.

He would have had to clarify who gains any rights via the constitution and who enjoys the benefit of those rights or lack of.

T'ain't the gubmint.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

I must be one of those zombies because I don't really know what you're trying to say but if you're suggesting that Bernie wants bigger government over the people, let me just say this...

In our system right now, government is picking winners and losers. There is NO free market - hate to break it to you. And guess who's been losing for the last 40 years? The middle class. The system is rigged so that corporations and Wall Street are the winners. Now we can argue that we really should get government to stop picking winners and losers, thereby getting it out of our lives but good luck with that. One side wants government creating laws limiting a Woman's right to choose what's best for herself and the other wants to limit guns in the community. Everyone wants government creating laws when it's something they want. And unless we get money out of politics, the corporate/Wall Street gravy train will never end so we're stuck with the system we have.

All Bernie wants to do us to try to swing the pendulum in the other direction so that the Middle Class is not on the constant losing end of this system. And since I'm Middle Class and make the same exact amount of money I made 15 years ago before I had a Master's Degree and 15 more years of experience in tech, I'm all for it!


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posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: NthOther

Then don't vote for him...and move along!



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: theplu
All Bernie wants to do us to try to swing the pendulum in the other direction so that the Middle Class is not on the constant losing end of this system.


And the people who are complaining about his "wealth redistribution" plans didn't have squat to say over the past 35 years, when the redistribution of the wealth was from the middle class to the wealthy.

Where do they think the wealth that accounts for a CEO making 354 times the average worker came from??? It came from the middle and working class!



In 1980, CEO pay was 42 times that of the average worker.
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Chief executives of the nation's largest companies earned an average of $12.3 million in total pay last year -- 354 times more than a typical American worker.
Source

But that wealth redistribution (Corporate $ocialism) is just fine with conservatives.
edit on 10/24/2015 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:05 PM
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Having read the entirety of this topic and trying to consider everyone's disparate opinions, and having watched the interview in question, the only conclusion I draw is: everyone will read into whatever anyone says whatever they most want/need/cognitively deign to.

My two cents.

Peace.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: theplu
a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

I must be one of those zombies because I don't really know what you're trying to say but if you're suggesting that Bernie wants bigger government over the people, let me just say this...

In our system right now, government is picking winners and losers. There is NO free market - hate to break it to you. And guess who's been losing for the last 40 years? The middle class. The system is rigged so that corporations and Wall Street are the winners. Now we can argue that we really should get government to stop picking winners and losers, thereby getting it out of our lives but good luck with that. One side wants government creating laws limiting a Woman's right to choose what's best for herself and the other wants to limit guns in the community. Everyone wants government creating laws when it's something they want. And unless we get money out of politics, the corporate/Wall Street gravy train will never end so we're stuck with the system we have.

All Bernie wants to do us to try to swing the pendulum in the other direction so that the Middle Class is not on the constant losing end of this system. And since I'm Middle Class and make the same exact amount of money I made 15 years ago before I had a Master's Degree and 15 more years of experience in tech, I'm all for it!



You're partly correct, but I'd have to disagree that Sanders is really interested in the Middle Class. Of course he has to say he is.....so does Hillary, but the truth of the matter is that the interests of the US middle class have been sacrificed to promote the interests of the Globalists by way of free trade agreements.

A bit of a free trade primer: Free Trade agreements are designed and negotiated with the end purpose in mind of equalizing wealth between regions and the countries that comprise those regions. The US is one of, if not the, richest nations in the world. So, as the US enters into more and more Free trade agreements, Middle Class jobs are outsourced such that the job base that supported the US middle class has been steadily eroded. New Free Trade agreements like the TPP and the new one between the US and Europe, North Atlantic something or other, contain provisions that not only remove trade barriers, but they also make it much easier for workers to cross borders to find work. So....millions more H1-B visas will be granted to highly skilled Technology workers to come to work in Silicon valley and we're seeing all kinds of complaints about the tech companies preferring the Asian imports to domestic workers.

So, what's really going on? Sanders, Hillary, Trump, the whole lot stand up for the middle class, while planning to either promote or to support Free Trade. The key difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that as Free Trade decimates the middle class and forces many more millions into poverty, the Democrats see them as a resource, an add to their voting base, so they promise freebies in exchange for support. The Republicans could care less and would just as soon see them starve to death in the dark......but with their firearms. The Democrats want to herd them into crappy container housing in their over crowded war zone cities without their firearms so they can be mugged and killed by the criminals who do have firearms, (illegally of course).

Either way.......the middle class looses its a##.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I hate to tell you this, but that doesn't benefit the nation.

You might not see it as right, but how does the nation improve if you make it harder for people to be healthy, fed, and have shelter? Once those things are taken care of people can do things like go to school and learn skills.

Some people can do that without additional help, but others can't and ultimately in the end we need to enable as many people as possible in order to be competitive unless you want a nation of baristas rather than engineers.
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posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Not necessarily. Like I said, I prefer that no one be "in charge" (politically I'm so far off the left-right scale I'm in the trash bin of anarchism).

But it would make me feel a bit better about his motivation. A little humility goes a long way with me. I see none in this man.


On a two axis graph anarchy is the up/down not left right. Left/Right is individualism vs collectivism. Up down is Authoritarianism vs Anarchy.

As far as humility goes, Sanders is a jew. He simply doesn't talk about it all that often, he doesn't bring himself up often at all actually. He keeps his discussion on the issues. That shows a lot of humility.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

Bernie is AGAINST free trade agreements. Always has been.



Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru.
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade.
Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement.
Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement.
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile.
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements.
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO.

Sanders On the Issues



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

You really need to take a look at Sanders' record. He doesn't just say stuff, he actually backs it up with policy. Hillary changes with the tide and Trump is a joke. I personally think Trump is only in there to muck up the Republican primary but, in the words of Herman Caine, "I don't have facts to back this up". The TPP is awful and Sanders is against it.



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: NthOther


Bernie Sanders, do you believe in God?



I don't want godless people in charge.


I can't think of more disturbing questions than these - and if you were the only person that thought this way it wouldn't be an issue

This country is full of people who think just like you

There's been a great deal of talk about how persecuted the God fearing are feeling these days. This kind of talk reminds us we are a few short steps away from returning to the good old days

Persecution will pick up where it left off - targeting the godless, who are also, of course - communists


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posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

United States Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3:


The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States

Does this clarify things?



posted on Oct, 24 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I posted this right on this page a few hours ago and yet, we're still talking about it so... Apparently not.



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