Progressives Cheer: Mass Immigration Will Destroy The NRA And The Second Amendment

originally posted by: infolurker
Many of us have said loud and clear that the primary purpose of massive immigration into our nation is for the express purpose of undermining our nations laws and traditions and tilting the voter make-up in favor of Progressive authoritarianism.

So ... essentially, only those folks who agree with you politically should get to be American citizens?

How very statist and authoritarian!

Also, are you really comparing the worth of the NRA with the US Constitution?

You don't find that at all ... telling of your own bias? NM, that's completely obvious.

How do you propose to stop immigration to the US?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Edumakated
I put it like this... as a conservative, I will freely volunteer my own hard earned money and time for any number of causes that I believe are important. Progressives on the other hand rather take my money from me by force and then distribute it to whatever cause they feel is important. By it's very nature, progressivism puts the collective ahead of the individual's rights.

It has been explained to you 100 times but, you probably aren't giving enough, and you certainly aren't impartial in determining what causes you believe are important.

How well funded do you think anything would be if there were no taxes and all government departments operated as charities?

At no point did I say there shouldn't be any government or no taxes. Our federal government is supposed to have very limited functions namely defense. Our FEDERAL government is too bloated because it has gotten away from doing the most basic functions to serving a sugar daddy for every freaking cause under the sun. Our government should not be funding scientist at Universities with billion dollar endowments to study snail sex. Nor should we be giving breaks and subsidizing multi billion dollar corporations. Nor should we be playing venture capitalist by investing in unproven technologies like solar panels ala Solyndra. Nor should we running departments like the Education department where we have spent billions if not trillions and still have half the populace damn near functionally retarded.

This government waste TRILLIONS every year. Quite frankly, as one of the productive, I'm tired of pulling the wagon. I get sick of you progressive bums telling me I am not doing my "fair share" when damn near half my income is confiscated every year between local, state, and federal income taxes.

State governments should be where all this extra BS is funded.

And yes, people do fund things that they perceive to be important. People frequently give away money or act as benefactors for a variety of causes and there is no need for government to play middle man.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: infolurker
Many of us have said loud and clear that the primary purpose of massive immigration into our nation is for the express purpose of undermining our nations laws and traditions and tilting the voter make-up in favor of Progressive authoritarianism.

So ... essentially, only those folks who agree with you politically should get to be American citizens?

How very statist and authoritarian!

Also, are you really comparing the worth of the NRA with the US Constitution?

You don't find that at all ... telling of your own bias? NM, that's completely obvious.

How do you propose to stop immigration to the US?

That is easy... follow the law.

a reply to: infolurker

Which law?

Our laws allow for immigration. According to you, as you made no differentiation, immigration is "the problem."

Care to revise?

a reply to: Gryphon66

www.uscis.gov...

Path to U.S. Citizenship

This page describes the most common path to U.S. citizenship, which allows a green card holder (permanent resident) of at least 5 years to apply for naturalization. Other paths include:

Green card holders married to U.S. citizens
Green card holders in the military and their family
Citizenship through parents

Eligibility Requirements

If you are a green card holder of at least 5 years, you must meet the following requirements in order to apply for naturalization:

* Be 18 or older at the time of filing

*Be a green card holder for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the Form N-400, Application for Naturalization

*Have lived within the state, or USCIS district with jurisdiction over the applicant’s place of residence, for at least 3 months prior to the date of filing the application

*Have continuous residence in the United States as a green card holder for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application

*Be physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application

*Reside continuously within the United States from the date of application for naturalization up to the time of naturalization

*Be able to read, write, and speak English and have knowledge and an understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).

* Be a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States during all relevant periods under the law

www.uscis.gov...

Responsibilities
To become a U.S. citizen you must take
the Oath of Allegiance. The oath includes
several promises you make when
you become a U.S. citizen, including
promises to:

Give up all prior allegiance to any other nation or sovereignty;

Swear allegiance to the United States;

Support and defend the Constitution
and the laws of the United States; and

Serve the country when required.

U.S. citizens have many responsibilities
other than the ones mentioned in the
Oath. Citizens have a responsibility
to participate in the political
process by registering and voting in
elections. Serving on a jury is another
responsibility of citizenship.

Finally,
America becomes stronger when all of
its citizens respect the different opinions,
cultures, ethnic groups, and religions
found in this country. Tolerance for
differences is also a responsibility of
citizenship.
When you decide to become a U.S.
citizen, you should be willing to fulfill
the responsibilities of citizenship. We
hope you will honor and respect the
freedoms and opportunities citizenship
gives you. At the same time, we hope
you become an active member of your
community. It is by participating in your
community that you truly become
an American.

a reply to: Gryphon66

www.uscis.gov...

Citizenship Rights and Responsibilities

Citizenship is the common thread that connects all Americans. We are a nation bound not by race or religion, but by the shared values of freedom, liberty, and equality.

Throughout our history, the United States has welcomed newcomers from all over the world. The contributions of immigrants have helped shape and define the country we know today. More than 200 years after our founding, naturalized citizens are still an important part of our democracy. By becoming a U.S. citizen, you too will have a voice in how our nation is governed.

The decision to apply is a significant one. Citizenship offers many benefits and equally important responsibilities. By applying, you are demonstrating your commitment to this country and our form of government.

Below you will find several rights and responsibilities that all citizens should exercise and respect. Some of these responsibilities are legally required of every citizen, but all are important to ensuring that America remains a free and prosperous nation.

Responsibilities

Support and defend the Constitution.

Stay informed of the issues affecting your community.

Participate in the democratic process.

Respect and obey federal, state, and local laws.

Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others.

Participate in your local community.

Pay income and other taxes honestly, and on time, to federal, state, and local authorities.

Serve on a jury when called upon.

Defend the country if the need should arise.

a reply to: infolurker

That's really interesting information. Thank for the link and the copy-pasta.

Now, care to answer the actual question?

You asserted that IMMIGRATION is the issue.

IMMIGRATION is legal.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, we are "legally" migrating huge populations to the US. Far more % than any time in history. If you want to fundamentally change America, it makes it much easier when 20% of the population was foreign born from nations where "authoritarianism" is the normal.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, we are "legally" migrating huge populations to the US. Far more % than any time in history. If you want to fundamentally change America, it makes it much easier when 20% of the population was foreign born from nations where "authoritarianism" is the normal.

So are you for the US Laws regarding legal immigration or against them?

If you are for our laws and legal system, don't you find yourself in quite the dilemma, given your stated belief in this thread?

Doesn't matter their color or demographic, many just don't want to be free.

Guns don't make you free- not needing guns makes you free.

Am I the only one that sees the irony that the supposed "pro life" people don't give a damn about human life and people that do care about protecting life, like hispanic families and progressives, are belittled for actually wanting to protect it?

It looks like there will be a lot more people "suiciding" by cop when they realize they have no future because they trusted their lives to guns instead of education, community and other important things.

a reply to: Edumakated

So who should run the education department? Can we trust Louisiana that doesn't even have a 70% literacy rate? The US itself has fallen to an 86% adult literacy rate. Most developed countries have 99%. Leaving education standards up to the states is clearly not working.

Also under your plan you're not reducing your tax burden at all, you're simply shifting it from federal taxation to state taxation. If you increase the budgets of states by billions of dollars they're going to increase their taxes to make up for it. Except you lose any possible savings from an economy of scale, and you disproportionately punish the states that are responsible, as irresponsible states will simply offload their burden to the ones that are actually paying for things.

I find it amazing that people like you who completely distrust federal government want to hand all of the power over to the states which are more powerful and less accountable.

a reply to: Aazadan

I think what Edumakated meant, and I could be mistaken, is that a Department of Education should not even EXIST on a federal level, and that Education, along with pretty much everything other than national defense, should be funded at the state and local level. At least that's how I interpreted his post.

A sentiment that I happen to agree with, by the way.

a reply to: MteWamp

See the second two paragraphs of my reply. If you think government is inefficient on a federal level try moving it to the states, it's going to be even worse because the states have more power and typically have less oversight from the people. It results in even larger more uncontrollable government, while making it run worse.

How is that a good thing?

a reply to: Aazadan

I feel like you and I could have a great discussion about this, as I tend to lean toward having a libertarian view on subjects like this, but it's not really related to the subject of the OP. Maybe we should start a thread on the topic of State's Rights.

But to answer your question (and then we can continue this elsewhere, if you want), as a general rule, I believe anything that CAN be done on a state and local level, SHOULD be done on the state and local level. Why? Several reasons really, the most important one being that it's the way that our "Founding Fathers", you know, those guys that originally WROTE the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence, INTENDED for it to be. I believe that their intent was for the Federal government to be VERY limited in scope, and the "Real Power" to be concentrated at the state and local level.

originally posted by: the owlbear
The use of progressive as a derogatory term is befuddling to me.
The only other options are stagnation and regression.
.

This is why the so called "progressives" label themselves this way. They are the self appointed guardians of what is and isn't progress. You'll have to explain to me how moving towards failed left wing social experiments is progressing us forward.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: infolurker

Progressivism has always depended on the destruction of American traditions and culture to advance its agenda.

Progressiveness is what made America. It was our drive and the need to push forward is what made us the most powerful nation on the planet. Regressiveness is what will destroy this nation.

Progressing and progressivism are not the same thing. The idea that left wing ideology brought us to where we are is laughable.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: infolurker

Which law?

Our laws allow for immigration. According to you, as you made no differentiation, immigration is "the problem."

Care to revise?

Is that all you can do is play with people's words to try to make some stupid point. I understand that you believe your view is the only correct view, but if you care to discuss and debate how about ending your constant, petty and childish attacks upon the individual's.

It is like an immature child that happens to be intelligent.

originally posted by: CB328

Doesn't matter their color or demographic, many just don't want to be free.

Guns don't make you free- not needing guns makes you free.

Am I the only one that sees the irony that the supposed "pro life" people don't give a damn about human life and people that do care about protecting life, like hispanic families and progressives, are belittled for actually wanting to protect it?

It looks like there will be a lot more people "suiciding" by cop when they realize they have no future because they trusted their lives to guns instead of education, community and other important things.

You are completely correct...not needing guns is true freedom. But we do need guns. The police do, the Politicians and the bodyguards do, etc. The people need guns more than anyone else because they not only have the average criminal to fear, but also the corrupt government....THAT HAS GUNS.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: infolurker

Progressivism has always depended on the destruction of American traditions and culture to advance its agenda.

Progressiveness is what made America. It was our drive and the need to push forward is what made us the most powerful nation on the planet. Regressiveness is what will destroy this nation.

Jesus Christ dude, you are insufferably naive...
Social Darwinism created this country and its foundation of freedom set forth in the US Constitution...
'Progressiveness" (whatever that means) is the driving force behind our regression into a socialist parasitic society.
I know your affinity for communism and fondness for the former USSR(you know, that pathetic failure of your utopian dreams) blind you to reality but your comments are 'progressively' getting dumber with each subsequent post....
See what I did there?

-Christosterone