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I know loads of folk from Scotland living down here, only ones who are my friends though are from Edinburgh, lovely accent and easy to understand.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
originally posted by: grainofsand
On a related note, people from Glasgow who live years in England and refuse to use correct English words in place of their strong dialect and accent.
When I moved to England aged 16 there were many words I had to repeat because people failed to understand my strong Welsh accent/dialect. I started saying them the 'English' way first time and it became natural.
It is lazy and/or stubborn, and I defy anyone who says Glasgow folk are actually unable to say 'I don't know...' instead of 'I dinnae ken...' bull#.
I was back in Wales at the weekend and lot's of Welsh came out of my mouth, but it is not hard to use correct English when back in England.
Winds me right up, argh, /rant
Glaswegians dont use the term "I Dinnea ken" That would be East lothian east coast speak. Maybe you dont know anyone from Glasgow or Scotland for that matter. ?
Doesn't surprise me, most of the Glasgow exiles I've met here are aggressive, angry little men with a full bag of chips on their shoulders...again, to be avoided if at all possible lol
Dinnea Ken,???? people have been stabbed for less in Glasgow.
Haha, I know, I found that out when I fronted my first aggressive unintelligible 'refuse to speak English' Scot many years ago.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
The bark is worse than the bite.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I hate to break it to anyone but there have always been huge differences between dialects from different racial and geographical groups. English speakers today share more in common than ever before due to the pervasive effect of media passing along generalized speech patterns. Perhaps schools no longer teach how to diagram sentences or use of prepositions etc but I believe the media has equal if not more influence. People the world over learn English by watching movies and doubtless many can do a pretty good Schwarzenegger or Stallone imitation.
Communication skills are vital in many jobs this is true but when it comes to customer service what you want are those who speak exactly like your customer base - whoever that may be. There's a place for everyone regardless of their slanguage. I for one not only find it interesting but often charming in how similar things can be described so differently in the same language.
What a boring world this will be when everyone speaks exactly the same and all the accents that once gave humanity so much diversity in speech are long forgotten. I prefer to think of such dialects and accents as a positive rather than a negative.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
I received a resume last year and, under experience, the person listed, this is verbatim, 'Helping day customers wit day bags.'
This person, sadly, will never have meaningful employment.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: seeker1963
I mean that that they south can have almost a completely different dialect, the rural urban areas of the south with heavy accents and just different ways of pronouncing words can be very hard to understand. And that is both black and white.
I agree it is not exclusive to the south though.
originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: crazyewok
Come to America. You'll find some real winners here.
By the way, I don't think it's a lack of finances that's to blame. I'm poor but am very well spoken.
originally posted by: mikemars261
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
You ironically missed the point I was making in that very post. Incredible, considering how short it was. Let me slow it down for you. People will speak as it suits their needs. You may think it's dumbing down but they, on the other hand, wasted far fewer hours of their life learning all the rules of English just so that in the end, they can have the exact same conversation as you.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: uncommitted
Indeed, language changes, this is true. However, it is upon those of us remaining in possession of a significant vocabulary, to ensure that the language we love for its versatility and accuracy, is not dumbed down to the point where it cannot be used by the population, to achieve the goals set by that population.
When my great, great, great, great grandparents were walking the world, it was not at all uncommon for a person to have only the grasp of the language, or for that matter the education in general, that they specifically needed, to operate the station they had attained for themselves in life. But that was still in an age where one was, largely speaking, born into the position they would retain for the rest of their days, a time when social mobility was a concept for future generations to consider, an amusing notion to be discussed in theory by the select few who had the grasp of language necessary to be able to vocalise the concept in a concise fashion.
Education becoming common place changed all that, and placed knowledge in amongst communities whose members had been prevented from accessing it, by the lowness of their birth, or the emptiness of their pockets, or both. Now, information is a gift that a man or woman of any station, can pass to his or her children, and an education for all children is the product of battles, literal battles to ensure that the working people could educate their children in arithmetic, in reading and writing, and in other things besides. This was what lead rise to true social mobility, and to freedom from an iron clad fate.
To allow our language to backslide, so that once again it becomes the norm for individuals in low paid jobs to have a vocabulary which is limited by their trade, for those people to have children who will never learn anything, and therefore become as immobile as their parents socially... People fought their whole lives, generations of them, to promote balance and fairness, the distribution of education amongst all the social classes, and these people deserve our respect and our appreciation. My ancestors fought for better lives for all of us, more freedom, less oppression, more information and less ignorance. The efforts of some among us to dumb down, to turn up their nose at that gift, a gift fought for so hard, and by so many, are an affront to everything I believe as a working class person, and are an affront to those whose lives have been spent in our service.
Of course, concepts such as these are not easily grasped by those who lack the linguistic experience necessary to understand the English language, as an understanding of history requires a certain familiarity with language, and even very old uses of the language. Which rather makes my point. If you cannot even read history, you are doomed to repeat it.
originally posted by: crazyewok
I run a small buisness in the south London area. And I have noticed the extreme lack of communication skills among the black community.
I am binning around 8 out of 10 black applicants applications after speaking to them, not due to them being black, but there inability to string a coherent sentence together. In fact I have noticed this "urban" talk in some white candidates too, though not to the same extent, and resulting in equal binned applications.
Why is this?
Surely one must realise that urban "English " is not correct for the work place, interviews and especially not CV's?
Surely one can not expect to be employable with such poor communication skills?
Is this one of the reasons behind current black poverty and unemployment? Has a innercity culture incompatible with the job market established itself?
Is the poor communication skills driving the problems in community integration?
I know it may be rich comings from dyslexic me! But I am not talking missing a letter here or there, useing a comma instead of a full stop or getting the odd i and e round the wrong way on a message board. Im talking barely legible spoken or written English here on CV's and interviews .
originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
". . . lack of education opportunities . . ."
Tell that to a teacher if you want to see someone rip their hair out and run off screaming.