Under surveillance for 5 years, goal is homelessness, depression and as a grand finale death

My story is my story. Only what I have shared is what I have shared, the rest is just speculation and conjecture by you guys and gals.

I know for a fact that there is some sort of gang involvement because one of the guys whose name I finally discovered, who was following me everywhere and showing up at pretty much any time of the night and/or day, is/was covered in tattoos, including one on his right arm that is in cursive that reads "Familia". Typical gang insignia. Also has the tear drops. I once told him basically to leave me alone, and then he threatened to follow me home, which I'm pretty sure he did and had already done a number of times. I also found this individual's facebook page, and I'd post it for proof, but that would be some type of violation of something, I'm sure. Just know that I know what I know, and I'm going to do what I have to do, and I encourage anyone else going through this to take the advice that I and others have given. Most likely it is not a mental health problem and it is in fact something real, so pursue it legally.

originally posted by: Kester
Some people may need some meds at some time in their lives. What I've seen recently is repeat prescriptions dished out almost endlessly, then dangerous delusions caused by withdrawal when they stop taking them.

I totally agree about sometimes needing medication. It's that "sometimes" that not only health care professionals need to understand but also those of us who get rubbed up the wrong way by normalcy. In the past I have been prescribed beta blockers for anxiety issues and prozac to treat depression, both those aided me in getting back to a socially and economically functional state. I have also had to have extended periods of sick leave in the past, and have been lucky with both my work record and the sympathy of my employers that that has not impeded me too much. As I said in my previous statement, I came out well in the draw, I had a fabulous GP who I was able to work with in mutual respect. He taught me that only I can know what is "normal" for me. He also knew that some words on your medical records can harm you, things are changing in that respect thankfully, and so he never wrote down some of my deeper issues. It doesn't say on my records that I was anorexic or that I cut myself, that was between him and me. He knew when to threaten me with hospitalisation and that that would get me to behave to at least some extent. Everyone should have a GP like mine growing up, that's another thing I would wish for the world if I could.

originally posted by: Shelbee
Yes they watch us if we come onto their radar - for one reason or another - however, we will quickly float on by once they have seen that we are of no perceived threat.

I think that this is certainly true and I should imagine most none conformist groups, at sometime, have at some time come under scrutiny and been checked for subversion. In my own case, I am a fee paying member of a socialist political party. I know that that gets me a flag against my name for starters, and it is possible that my online activity will have given me an extra flag or two here and there but on close inspection they would have soon grown bored of the tedium.

I know that people in the traveller/crusty movement of the late 80s and 90s (here in the UK), there was a lot of harassment against that alternative lifestyle, and their activism. What I think that they found there though was a social cohesion based on a shared cause that they were not able to break because they were adaptively aware of that threat. And what doesn't break you, makes you stronger. That goes for individuals too though. The greatest danger is allowing the fear to heap up on just your own two shoulders and let it crush you, you have to fight it, but you fight it by relaxing and being kind to yourself, shutting out the judgement and letting others be kind to you.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Africa will starve because the people supplying them the most will be too preoccupied with their own problems.
The US, as well as Canada, is too apart ideologically and economically to sustain it's current quality of life.
What with all the pushing by the media and schools to accept a one world government, the subconscious programming has resulted in people losing their minds.

School shooters and other mentally imbalanced people are the side effect of this programming. It isn't Clockwork Orange at all either. It is little things, everywhere in our society. It is all the things we don't say, for fear of offending an imaginary person. We see killing on the brainwash tube, and accept it because it's the 'good' guys doing the killing.

Noticing and talking about these things is dangerous. It encourages the wrong kind of mindset in the population. So any and all who decide to speak about these obvious, yet subtle everyday programming get sent away.

With all the different algorithms and programs, just how hard would it be to organize something like what O.P is describing?
When you have an unlimited budget, how much money does it cost to prevent future criminals from being formed?
When you can be made a criminal without ever being given a trial, just who can we believe when it comes to these sorts of things?

After all, gang stalking is only to stop or enable a favorable result, like giving up research or stopping a lawsuit.
The CIA was being sued by an human rights activist and her office with all the evidence was broken into.
AND ONLY HER OFFICE. There was no forced entry, the door was locked when they exited, and nothing else was stolen. Just information implicating a CIA officer who may or may not have used death squads to scare people.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: wdkirk

Hello? That is how gang stalking is planned by the NSA. It's done so that it doesn't look rational, or believable even. That is how covert ops can be conducted right under your nose. When someone speaks out about it, the ignorant masses will ask those equally ignorant questions, like 'why would they do this, or that' 'it doesn't make sense' It doesn't have to make sense to you, because you aren't a target.
It makes perfect sense to the NSA as to why they do these things the way they do them.

People that don't understand even the most basic elements of gang stalking will think because they can't see why this is happening, because none of it makes sense, means it isn't happening. Does that make sense? No, it just shows people who don't take any time to become more informed, will remain uninformed, especially if ;none of it makes any sense' to them. Because when you get to the conclusion that it doesn't add up, you give up trying to understand it entirely.

And you know how the NSA works because.........you read about it? are an expert in it?

....and then you go on to further "explain" how people, like me, don't understand the basics of gang stalking......

You don't understand the basics of psychology.

All of that aside, for me, it comes down to this: Is he being ganged stalked as you seem to be the foremost authority on it and think that none of us (including me) have ever read about the topic.....or.......that he is suffering from more that 1 mental deficiency. I'll give you this, both are possible, one is 100% provable with a psychologist's input....and so you are not confused with what I am saying....He needs to see a psychologist 1st before I believe for 1 minute that he is being gang stalked by the NSA.

a reply to: wdkirk

I'm a sociology major, and an expert in social psychology. I'm so good at it, I can tell when someone is lying even by how they type online. I can tell when any politician is lying by their body language and vocal characteristics which are sociological in nature.

I have 2 friends who are NSA employees. I know all kinds of sh*t about the NSA.
I know when someone is a psycho, and when they are relaying true information by their sociological markers.
I know when NASA public relations spokes persons are lying about something.
I know when UFO debunkers are lying and I know when they don't believe what they themselves are passing off as facts about some UFO report..
Funny things like that...
I don't truly know what you know about gang stalking, except for the fact that what you said earlier is inaccurate about the OP based on what I know about sociology and how it relates to human behavior, which includes the telling of an event or a story.
The OP is not suffering from any mental disorder, and is experiencing things that I know exist, based on what my friends at the NSA have told me about gang stalking. I know this based on how the NSA does these things, and by how that correlates to things the OP has revealed.
It doesn't matter to me whether or not you believe any of this. The OP is who I care about, and not what you believe or think, since you are too ready to judge him as crazy, without the knowledge to even make that conclusion logically or scientifically, based upon the knowledge of this type of thing being seemingly absent from what you know, by the things you have said.
I hope this helps.
Thanks for your reply.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I took your advice and tried to make a report to the sheriff's tonight, but was again denied. My report 7 months ago to the P.D. was rejected as well.

Tonight, the sheriff told me that it is not identity theft unless they steal my money or my property. My retort was that it was my electronic and virtual property, and my electronic identity that was assumed and stolen.

The sheriff told me basically that I am not very important and that my reports and my story are of no real substance for anything to be done. No report was made. After me informing him that these were federal crimes, he then referred me to the F.B.I., but after I had already mentioned it being F.B.I. jurisdiction.

I asked him why he could not make a report, so that it could be forwarded to the F.B.I. or to the sheriff's electronic's investigations department. He just insisted, no matter how hard that I tried to push, that he could do nothing and that the F.B.I. has bigger things to worry about than my small problems.

He asked me if I feared for my life and I told him, yes, still nothing was done. Even while he was meeting with me, within a MetroPCS parking lot, a truck with two male individuals pulled up in front of Metro. He asked me if I "knew them", I said, "no". He said "they work there" (I don't know how he knew that?). Metro does not open until approximately 9 or 10 a.m. What the hell were two guys in a truck doing stopping in front of the store and acting like they were locking or unlocking the door at 4 am? Then they just left. No one entered, no door opened, no one exited.

I also noticed a lot of people driving around and awake in a small residential area for a Monday night/Tuesday morning.

He kept asking me if I was on drugs and if I need to see a psyche... this was really frustrating me and pissing me off, but I kept telling him, no.

I have no idea what is going on, but I have lost my confidence in my police force.

Perhaps I will regain it if the F.B.I. can be of assistance.

If I am to give in to the outsiders, then I am just a drugged up psycho, neither of which are true. I know what is going on, but no one will help me, and I can't do all of it by myself.

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

I can tell you this though: I have been completely stripped of my self identity. I can't even joke around anymore. My family has labeled me as crazy and they constantly stalk my facebook page and try to screenshot anything that I type and then bend it out of context and say that I am a psychopath and a narcissist.

I used to be able to have fun and joke about anything, now I can't say anything. My freedom of speech and my individual liberty to just be me is gone. I am a political prisoner in my own skin.

The longer this goes on, the worse it gets, and the worst part is, I can't even make light of it, joke about it, or even talk about anything anymore. I am a drugged up, psychopathic terrorist... maybe someone will arrest me for that. Then I can be drug tested as negative and vindicated.

Whatever is going on against me is driving me into madness, and there are days when I am extremely anger, consumed with hatred, but no one to direct it at because the games played against me cause me to be chasing a shadow. I can't even make a freakin' report to get something to start off it.

Who cares... this country is going to hell in a hand basket. We lost to the federal government. They can do anything they want with anarchy and impunity.

I can tell you this, in all humbleness and sincerity - I am an extremely intelligent individual, and I feel as if this country has foiled my life and stymied my growth, both through its law enforcement agencies and its private citizens, intentionally, directly and through targeting. It is unbelievable the things that people say and do to other people with the intent to harm, or even out of ignorance of another's intent, which harms that individual.

I feel like there is a social engineering campaign against me to make me feel like I am nothing and nobosy and to stifle all of my efforts in life. You all have no idea. In fact, when I was going to college in my last semester, during 3 of my tests the internet suddenly went out causing me to get 0% Fs and ruining my grades. Right during my TESTS. Unreal... and it actually happened more than 3 times, but I became smarter and starting saving my work in a notepad as a .pdf document, and finding out other ways to jerry rig my online testing apparatuses so that when the internet would go out, I could reboot, unplug, reset, the router and the modem and get it working again and retain my work... you people have no idea...

I worked for a guy recently, a relative. He has been having a hard time finding anyone to work for him at his business and always says crap like " Today's Workforce just isn't worth a damn"...

His wife left him. His sister and brother don't speak to him any more. He complains about everyone trying to sue him for infractions in labor law. 3 employees quit working for him while I was employed by him, after they got tired of hearing his bull# constant narrative on nothing being done right, well enough or fast enough.

He blames everyone else for his problems to avoid looking in the mirror at himself, and maybe having to admit he is at fault.

I worked for him until I got quite sick. After a month of being really ill, I got weak and tired of listening to his incessant whining and blaming other people for his woes and walked away from the prick, went home, packed up and left. (turned out I picked up MRSA somehow and it was systemic, I could have died from it).....

I run into people like this to varying degrees everywhere I go but never really saw it clearly until the last five or so years.

Regarding the Sheriff?, he just didn't feel like doing his job and has a degree of the disorder I speak of which is so widespread here.

Maybe there is someone who knows what I speak of here. There is no point of being clear about it because part of the problem with the disorder is that those who suffer from it refuse to admit it may be them that have the issue and not everyone else.

Look, I live in California, and we have a thing called the California State Constitution. Allow me to quote a bit of it here:

"CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have
INALIENABLE rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and
liberty, acquiring, possessing, and PROTECTING PROPERTY, and pursuing
and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.



CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 2. (a) Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or
her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of
this right. A law MAY NOT restrain or abridge liberty of speech or
press."

So, I know my rights and I know my state and country constitutional rights, and they are being violated. However, one might want to blame it on the California state legislatures!

(h) This section shall be self-executing. If any part or parts of
this section are found to be in conflict with federal law or the
United States Constitution, the section shall be implemented to the
maximum extent that federal law and the United States Constitution
permit. Any provision held invalid shall be severable from the
remaining portions of this section.

Loophole alert! There are now some federal laws that are in violation of the United States Constitution, so now how do we interpret section h? That the federal government owns California, that's how!

www.leginfo.ca.gov...

People can argue, call named, allege insanity and personality disorders all that they want, but I know what I am talking about, maybe that is why they hate me?!

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

The US Constitution was rendered ineffective quite some time ago, it is getting to the point after so many years that people are just beginning to realize this. Most have no idea who the Constitution, the US or constitutions of the states, are pertinent to anyway.

This is why if you start spouting off in a courtroom about your constitutional rights you are frequently going to be threatened with contempt charges.

According to the constitution, you don't need any rights. Try to wrap your head around that.

Once you wrap your head around it, you will have a better understanding of what is going on here.

Most of us are living in a dream world Neo.

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

You can PM me and I will help steer you in the right direction.

You may not really want to know though.

The actual honest to goodness truth is so much stranger than fiction that living in a dream world tends to be so much easier to do.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm not responding to you until now, and even now, I am responding to you only to tell you not to waste your time. I'm not interested. But thanks.

So, last night I messed around with them a bit. I always see this white car running beats around my block and up onto the river road (I live by a river). A few times the driver has waved at me, and I've always found this to be suspicious, since I see this vehicle at almost all times of the day and night.

So, last night, I headed on up to the river/levee at 4 a.m., and sure enough, there he is comes driving by. Then, comes back again from the other direction. After this, he comes back a third time, but instead turns the opposite direction, stops underneath the under-pass and puts on his E-lights. At this point I started recording. I would upload it here, but honestly, it is fairly uninteresting, especially since I wasn't able to record the first two passbys. I'd suspect that the nay-sayers would have nothing more to say, but taunting, insulting, and harsh debunking. In any case, I commentated on the predictable activity of the car and the occupant, which came true. Short stop with E-lights, probably communicating with someone else, then drove off, shortly followed by another car.

Later, at around 7 a.m., a huge military cargo plane flew low over my house. I couldn't help but laugh.

I'd tell you what I texted to myself to try and bait them into all of this, but then you'd really think I was crazy, lol. Oh how I wish it would someday happen to one of you disbelievers, not because I don't like you, but just so you could feel how it is to be in the shoes of the followed.

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

My Nephew had the same thing happen with identity theft. He went to the Sherriff first and they pulled the same routine, so he went to the FBI and they actually helped him. They told him to get the police to do a report, but he told them they refused, and so he (the FBI) helped him do everything.
I think if I was having the same trouble as you, I would probably pack up and leave the state. That isn't always easy to do of course.
Hope you make some progress

The Police Departments won't usually handle cases of cybercrime activity such as stolen identities....the best thing you can do in those cases is to cut all ties with former internet names/handles and alert those you trust beyond a doubt about your identity being stolen. Also, remove yourself from any relations with forums where stalking happens and change your passwords if possible.

I know that's crappy advice but it's really all we can do with online activities.

As far as the real world goes, if at all possible....and I'm speaking from experience with this stuff as well....try not to respond with any emotion whatsoever to your attackers. Just be nice, polite and get away from them when possible. The police will only be able to help if there is a direct physical or verbal intent...and even then sometimes all you can do is file a report.

I had a guy show up at the place I frequent about a month ago....he latched onto me and got really sexually aggressive verbally and wouldn't listen when I told him I was married, in love and not interested....just got more insistent and was really hard to shake. He showed up there the next day looking for me and caused quite a stir with the staff trying to "hunt me down". They started calling whenever he showed up (several days in a row) and was leaving weird messages on his business card at the table I usually sit at. I told them to call the police, but for some reason they wouldn't....so I had to file a report at home with an officer about what happened. It wasn't easy to describe the harassment, and the officer told me if he approached me again to just go to the restroom and call 911.

The next day the staff at the location told me they told him not to return to the premises anymore, and so far, he's complied.

Got a call the other day from a friend who works there that a member of his church came up to complain that "their parishioner was kicked out of the store" and asked why, and they flat out told him he was being improper, using vulgar sexual language, harassing staff and stalking one of their regulars. They thanked them for telling their side of the story.

That guy was a piece of work - a true sociopath - one minute completely charming and the next completely alarming.

That's just one example of what I've been through.

If you have a cell phone, keep 911 on speed dial and if your stalkers get too close for comfort, call the authorities. But please - be aware - if you're dealing with the smart sociopathic types, they will never get close enough to have a provable case....so don't just randomly dial Emergency Services or you might wind up in jail or a psychiatric clinic against your will.

Also, I'm a psychiatric patient as well, and I've found a lot of help having a trusted therapist and network within the mental health system. Sometimes it's better to have a mental health casefile open and a therapist/doctor to help mediate things if stuff on the outside gets out of control....if you're actively seeking assistance with a Psychiatrist or Therapist, it really helps having those folks on your side.

Don't know if any of this helps, but that's all I got right now.

Stay safe out there and don't let the bastards grind you down.

a reply to: ScrewGmail

Dude...

If this is actually happening, you are such a willing target. (Oh, no, I am being picked on...what can I do...little old me?)

You haven't even tried to screw with them.

If you see the same guy over and over, walk up to him slowly, coyly, then stick out your tongue and lick the side of his face from chin to eyebrow and tell him how you like to slow-cook your victims with pineapple.

At least they will change up the agents after that.

(Variety is nice, no?)

And why the f&%$ are you even using a registered cell phone if you think you are being ghosted? Get a teen punk to buy you a cash-only throwaway a few miles from your house, the kind that the drug dealers love, sold at any corner mini-mart. You will still have a cell but they can't track you for crap.

And, if you are that worried about your laptop, buy a used one off craigslist. I can pretty much bet you that the owner had zero idea how to completely erase all of their ID data. Anything you do on public wifi (starbucks, etc.)will go straight back to them, NOT you, as long as you are not stupid enough to use it at your home location...hint hint. And do NOT use ANY of your previous login accounts. Make new ones, using the starbucks IP. (If you get better, you will be able to splice into lines in any city skyscraper. I have heard from a few hacker friends that it is amusing to watch obnoxious neighbors get their doors kicked in for access infringements they did not earn.)

I'm not that tech savvy but, dang, you aren't even trying. And why the hell should you kill yourself?

Even if you end up without a job or home, go tribal on their asses. Learn to live on the billions of acres of preserved land in America, on which they cannot ever find you, and on which your ancestors thrived. Then hunt them down, one by one. Or, you can go Christian on them, and learn to survive as God intended, and forgive them for the prosecutorial asses they have become; you can save them and yourself through your forgiveness.

a reply to: ComeAgain

I have heard from a few hacker friends that it is amusing to watch obnoxious neighbors get their doors kicked in for access infringements they did not earn.

That's ignorant. You've got heavy punishment coming back for that.

It is not as easy as some of you have suggested to lose them. When I leave, and I assume the same is for the O.P. if he is experiencing the same things as I, they follow me. There is no going to a store to buy a new phone or computer without anyone knowing. It is 24/7 surveillance of all things - house, internet, computer, cell phone, phone calls, texts, travel - car, bike, bus, walking, running, anything. You DO NOT escape and have no case for escaping and/or bringing prosecution/civil cases against them unless you know who they are and leave the state. Stalking is punishable if it crosses state lines, and they know this. However, just because you leave the state doesn't mean that you are safe and it goes away. They can simply contact that state's local government agency (whoever is doing it) and send out new agents from that state to carry off where they left off. In fact, if they knew you were moving and where to, that would probably already be planned well in advance and they'd be waiting for you.

Now for an UPDATE on my situation: I took some naught pictures of my private parts and texted it to myself with a certain person's name on it, without showing anyone, nor telling anyone about it. No less than 2 days later I received a profile view on my facebook page from a page under the name of "Dic-Fittswell NAMEIUSED-Fittswell" with basically no activity on it and a picture of a guy tea-bagging another guy. I reported the photo for pornographic content/nudity and had it removed and also sent a follow-up request for them to please figure out who is doing this, and to delete the profile of course. No one's name is Dic-Fittswell.

Example, if the name I used was Frank, and I chose that at random with no connection to anyone with the name Frank, then the profile name was Dic-Fittswell Frank-Fittswell, and the picture I sent to myself of my genitalia said "For Frank". Got it?

Now, I believe this is giving me enough evidence to bring forward a court case. How I go about this will rely heavily on the period of discovery and will take a lot of explaining, or maybe not so much, as to why I was sending pics of my own junk to myself. It is simply a method that I chose to implement in order to bait in the perpetrator(s) and thusly provide correlating evidence. This is now not only a civil violation of my privacy, but because it involves viewing without consent my nudity, it is also criminal. You see what I did there?

So, point is, get creative, document all of it, keep the evidence, and don't be afraid to do a little something here and there that might seem a bit coo-koo, as long as it in the effort of proving to yourself and a court of law (or even other people if you so desire) what is in fact transpiring.

Happy hunting to all of you who may be undergoing this tyrannical treatment! Hitler has nothing on America!

a reply to: IlTuoFratello

Why do you think they are a threat to you?

What have they done other than annoy you?