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originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: Swills
See, Hitler wasnt a bad dude til this guy got a hold of him which means its now perfectly ok to kill ALL Palestinians!
But seriously, isnt there a picture of a Palestinian Moslem meeting with Hitler?
Does this mean that Hitler loved the Jews until this guy came along? Probably not.
Even though Hitler was Time magazine's man of the year, I doubt that these two were discussing the pleasantries of fishing. No, I think that they probably shared a common dislike (putting it mildly) for the Jews, especially the ones that were pouring into Palestine.
However, what Netanyahu failed to mention was the fact that there were Zionist Jews who did in fact conspire with Hitler, with the understanding/agreement that Palestine would become a homeland for the Jews.
There are some good resources on the topic but a couple of the best are:
The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine
as well as
51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
"What a tangled web we weave"...
Shamir proposes an alliance with the Nazis
"As late as 1941, the Zionist group LEHI, one of whose leaders, Yitzhak Shamir, was later to become a prime minister of Israel, approached the Nazis, using the name of its parent organization, the Irgun(NMO)...[The proposal stated:] 'The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian Pd bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German nation of power in the Near East...The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side'...The Nazis rejected this proposal for an alliance because, it is reported, they considered LEHI's military power 'negligible.'" Allan Brownfield in "The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs," July/August 1998.
Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity."
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and attitudes. The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize reality and live in a separate state of their own. "The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers," he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it does not exist, it is brought in by arriving Jews ... I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew, without hate or fear." The Jewish question, he maintained, is not social or religious. "It is a national question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international political issue ..." Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.
"Zionism recognizes the existence of a Jewish problem and desires a far-reaching and constructive solution. For this purpose Zionism wishes to obtain the assistance of all peoples, whether pro- or anti-Jewish, because, in its view, we are dealing here with a concrete rather than a sentimental problem, the solution of which all peoples are interested." A young Berlin rabbi, Joachim Prinz, who later settled in the United States and became head of the American Jewish Congress, wrote in his 1934 book, Wir Juden ("We Jews"), that the National Socialist revolution in Germany meant "Jewry for the Jews." He explained: "No subterfuge can save us now. In place of assimilation we desire a new concept: recognition of the Jewish nation and Jewish race."
SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein and Zionist Federation official Kurt Tuchler toured Palestine together for six months to assess Zionist development there. Based on his firsthand observations, von Mildenstein wrote a series of twelve illustrated articles for the important Berlin daily Der Angriff that appeared in late 1934 under the heading "A Nazi Travels to Palestine." The series expressed great admiration for the pioneering spirit and achievements of the Jewish settlers. Zionist self-development, von Mildenstein wrote, had produced a new kind of Jew. He praised Zionism as a great benefit for both the Jewish people and the entire world. A Jewish homeland in Palestine, he wrote in his concluding article, "pointed the way to curing a centuries-long wound on the body of the world: the Jewish question." Der Angriff issued a special medal, with a Swastika on one side and a Star of David on the other, to commemorate the joint SS-Zionist visit. A few months after the articles appeared, von Mildenstein was promoted to head the Jewish affairs department of the SS security service in order to support Zionist migration and development more effectively.
German support for Zionism was not unlimited. Government and Party officials were very mindful of the continuing campaign by powerful Jewish communities in the United States, Britain and other countries to mobilize "their" governments and fellow citizens against Germany. As long as world Jewry remained implacably hostile toward National Socialist Germany, and as long as the great majority of Jews around the world showed little eagerness to resettle in the Zionist "promised land," a sovereign Jewish state in Palestine would not really "solve" the international Jewish question. Instead, German officials reasoned, it would immeasurably strengthen this dangerous anti-German campaign. German backing for Zionism was therefore limited to support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine under British control, not a sovereign Jewish state.
In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel," better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.
In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.
Most of us have no idea unless you have been there and witnessed the treatment they live with every day of their lives, its worse than apartheid.
Netanhayoo obviously blames every Palestinian for the holocaust but we must be approaching a time when the numbers of Palestinian killed in Israel will outstrip the number of holocaust victims. Neither of these numbers can probably every be proved but the whole thing taking place in 2015 is astounding and tragic especially with all our calls for human rights and better societies.
A read through the Talmud will explain the Jewish religious teachings and how its OK to retaliate against any non-Jew for killing a Jew or causing them any harm. It also explains a very different cultural attitude to the rest of the world, whereby exploitation and abuse are OK religiously. Its something people don't understand but need to be aware of sadly.
more people have died in syria in the last four years than in all of Israels wars combined!
so you are sitting there comparing gaza to the 6mil who died in the holocaust?
Wow... this disinfo is germany in the 1930's all over again! im not even gonna waste my energy on you as most ATS will probably be obliviously ignorant to anything i correct you on.
originally posted by: Jobeycool
What Netenyahu said is actualy true.We do not learn very well of how evil Islam realy is.Hitler did not know what to do with all the jews.So He stuck them in concentration camps and let them starve.Hitler mass murdered all the jews at the very end of the war when He knew He was going to lose.
He talked to this Islam leader about what to do about the jews.Sickening stuff is showing its ugly head again.