originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: Bluesma
This link is in french, and explains that fox news made up a story about parts in paris that was dangerous for non muslims, they debunk it, it was
already posted on ats.
I post the link but it sends you to a different article, anybody know how to add a link.
I couldn't find what you tried to link to. But I suspect it is one in which the "debunking" was about these "no-go" zones not actually being
officially labelled "no-go". No-go is an english term- it is the term the american media chose to use to refer to them.
In French, they are called "Zones Urbaines Sensibles".
What was also "debunked" was the claim that the government has written them off or abandoned them, officially giving the power to the extremist and
Officially, the government focuses on them as areas in need of higher priority in terms of urban renewal and social work.
In the documentary, you see politician being interviewed about this. After he describes the conflicts in there, the reporter asks if the conflict is
one of religious or cultural conflict, and he does not want to answer. Eventually he explains "I can't say that, you see.... if I do, I put up an
obstacles to dialogue which we hope to create." (not the exact quote, trying to get as close as I can remember).
Because they haven't "written off" these people and this part of the population, they are refusing to openly pinpoint differences that are obstacles.
It is hard to explain this, as it is sourced in the french style of focus upon rhetoric.
It's kind of in line with the american focus upon not saying whether someone is black.... to actually articulate that difference, is to acknowledge it
and then you can be accused of prejudice.
But listen to the arabs themselves speak in this documentary- they do not hesitate to acknowledge the difference- they state firmly that they do not
want to integrate, they do not want to live amongst the people of their new country.
One young woman living in Sweden is asked "Do you have a swedish identity card?"
She replies, yes, but I do not recognize it. (meaning, I do not honor it as having any validity, I do not use it, I do not acknowledge the laws of
The french governments attitude about this, from my point of view, is somewhat sticking it's head in the sand. Let's not admit what is going on....
lets see if we can't find more subtle ways of calming the conflict. Try to remain "nice", try to appease a bit, let's try to give them better free
housing, more benefits, things that would maybe entice them to want to be part of our society. Lets continue to claim they are not different than us,
and that will maybe help them relax and feel safe enough to come to some peaceful cohabitation with us.
This approach is failing.
But anyway, what is debunked and not has to be carefully weeded through with discernment. There are truths and exaggerations mixed together.
When going to bed last night, it hit me that I tend to automatically take certain things with a grain of salt, whereas maybe that is not the same for
all, which can give a report that I see as factual, a very unrealistic edge to another.
For example, when young arabs from these areas are interviewed, they brag about how they control the country, they have taken over the country, they
are so dangerous and scary...
Now, that is typical boasting that young kids do, to sound and feel powerful. I recognized that right away and didn't take it literally.
On the other hand, if you listen to what the leaders of the extremist movements proclaim their goals to be, in installing sharia law throughout the
country and destroying "evil democracy" in the host country,
and see the efforts they are making to convince the other arabs to get on board with this goal,
then bring that back the kids that were boasting; the ones that want and desire to feel so powerful and see the natives as the ones to over
Then you can see a bit how such extremist leaders, though they are far from representing all of Islam, find themselves within an ideal place and
situation for recruitment. They have troubled third and fourth generation young people, frustrated by their conditioned refusal to integrate or
identify with the culture their parents or grandparents settled in, and who want to find a way to big and scary and victorious over the evil natives.
These extremists promise them exactly that.