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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
This is a ridiculous law... in my opinion as long as you are depending on parents to live you are not "independent"...the funny thing is ... they pass this law, but as soon as the teens get in trouble they blame the parents for not knowing what their kids are doing ???
with so many REAL problems to solve and so many crimes in need of more severe laws... the time and money is wasted on the "teen privacy"...they'll get privacy when they pay their own bills.
and that is THAT !
Originally posted by CazMedia
Parents ABUSING their kids is in no way responsible parenting, and is already covered under the laws....if this happened, then the child has MANY avenues to seek both protection and medical attention.
and statistics show us that the children take that avenue what percentage of the time?
Why wouldnt the child tell a teacher, another adult, the police?
doesent matter why - fact is a lot dont.
again if fear is the reason then this shows the child doesnt have the nessisary judgment to determine their safety is in jeapordy
so if my dad beats my ass but i am afraid to tell someone because i am afraid of more beatings i dont have the judgement to determine i am in jeapordy?
....ANY authority figure, teacher, medical person, law enforcment that even suspected abuse of this nature is required to act in the childs behalf and notify authorities. Any other adult family member or friend that knew/suspected and did nothing COULD be accountable for child endangerment themselves
(not to mention a coward)
a parent abusing their child automatically negates their rights to parental control.
this is totally wrong, there are many cases where the a parent raped/abused their child and was given the choice to waive parental rights in lui of prosecution... many other cases where it continued untill the victim was old enough to flee.
This is not the same thing as taking an hiv test, pregnancy or other such "self induced" things, including getting a tatoo, seeking non emergency and/or elective medical treatments.
Originally posted by grafxgal
This is bullcrap, hogwash and I say, bring it on you knuckle-dragging Nazi governor (uh, that would be you Arnold)...try to tell me this is a just and viable law.
Until my CHILD turns 18, I'd better know who she hangs with, what she owns, what she does, who she talks to and where's she's breathing air.
Glad you're not my mother but anyway, my mother's very responsible, and she totally agrees with this law, she's also a nurse and trained councillor and has a degree in psychology; my whole family has some qualification or other in working with youths and all agree that it's about time a law like this came through over there. It seems odd though, Arnie always seemed so right wing, with Bush, anti-abortion, if not new right almost.
As were using non cited stats here, lets say they are accurate..and that they show this to be a low %...
statistics show us that the children take that avenue what percentage of the time?
If you cant see this, then you need help already, before the beatings even start.....If you are being abused, and you dont seek help because your affraid of more abuse, then you are NOT showing the nessisary judgment to determine you are in danger and defend yourself..i dont care if you are a child or an adult on this...your judgment is seriously lacking.
so if my dad beats my but i am afraid to tell someone because i am afraid of more beatings i dont have the judgement to determine i am in jeapordy?
If child X is abused and the authorities step in...it is far cheaper and faster if the parent gives up contriol of the child, rather than fight it legally. Of course this is an option used...give us the child and you wont go to prison works because the kid gets total immediate help and the parent is no longer responsible...OR drag it thru the courts, costing big $$ that could have gone to provide help for the child, while potentially allowing the situatuion to continue before enough evidence is gathered for the state to win. EVIDENCE IS VERY NESSISARY in cases of alleged abuse...you do realize that the state checks out lots of calls alleging abuse
there are many cases where the a parent raped/abused their child and was given the choice to waive parental rights in lui of prosecution... many other cases where it continued untill the victim was old enough to flee.
Why? Because i love them and care enough for them that I wouldnt abdicate my responsibillity to/for them to the state by being cut out of their lives thru censorship of information because some weak ass parenting by others or because my kid is too scared or not making correct judgments for themselves? Give me a break here...My kid will know that as mad/dissapointed in them as i might be, that they can come to me to tell me anything because ultimatly i will help them, hard or easy...id be there for them.
if you are a parent, i feel sorry for your kids.