Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Globalist

a reply to: ipsedixit

We have Trudeau in now and according to Bill Blair, marijuana use is going to be decriminalized, but strictly regulated.

Which is a good step forward mind you. If he takes his queues from America, then we can expect a wine like policy for Marijuana in less than 5 years.

If you live in a society where people elect a government that believes that recreational use of restricted drugs should be harshly punished

The general population did not agree with those laws and harsh punishments however. The Conservative Gov used their majority to push things they never could have gotten bipartisan support for.

Just because you don't think the government has it right on drug use does not invalidate their policy, until they are voted out for a government that happens to agree with you.

Obviously it doesn't invalidate the law, but it also doesn't mean it was the right policy, as we can see from pretty much everywhere they've done it, legalization or decriminalization of MJ has not led to any terrible things.

~tenth

originally posted by: Athetos
He got my vote out of sheer spite. I hated the the conservative ads bashing him every other commercial it got sickening. The "nice hair thought" one I just hated it.

It is obvious that Harper used the wrong strategy with Trudeau. Sonny Liston underestimated young gangly Cassius Clay too, and went down like a sack of potatoes.

So there you go I voted from my heart not my brain. Work comment about George w Bush got me however. Kinda felt the same vibe myself but can't say way because I don't know why!

I have the same feeling. This is a wolf puppet in sheep's clothing, like "W".

His father was one of our best Prime Ministers ever and was liked the world over. He should do well if he is a chip off the old block.

His father's reputation was largely a media creation. It can be argued that the repatriation of the Constitution was one of the most dangerous maneuvers in Canadian political history. His retroactive outlawing of the FLQ, and arrest of around 600 people in Quebec for membership in an organization that was legal the night before they got the knock on the door, was a police state action and nothing else but.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms was a good thing and I'm glad we have it.

Pierre Trudeau was a great cheerleader for the country and had to do some unpopular things as any responsible PM must, in the national interest. I'm not sure Justin Trudeau really has the national interest at heart or even knows what is in the national interest.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I think you are putting your point of view across very well, but one of the problems with recreational drug issues is that they are fringe issues. If all drug use was decriminalized for ten years and the population had a chance to find its level and choice of consumption in Darwinian fashion and then the issue of legal regulation were revisited, things might be totally different.

That will never happen. Drug issues are extremely complex as I'm sure you know, and involve some sectors of the economy at arm's length and clandestinely. It's a can of worms, the drug issue.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Like we have seen elsewhere ,ie Greece , the electorate who is paying attention has little choice . Harper had to go and he used the niquab as a wedge to split votes and settle for a best case minority Govt. Problem was is that it hurt the NDP and the Greens were not a serious choice . My guess is that Harper as well as the other party (liberal) are 2 sides of the same coin . They both would agree that a socialist Govt. (NDP) would at best be allowed a minority Govt., but no way a majority ...

So we got what was allowed and the world will not end because of it . I like the fact that they have a young team because to be really really corrupt and get away with it takes a old pro . Justin will use the same excuse for not doing what he promised because of the mess the Con's left him ....same old same old .....or maybe he will do good ...time will tell and I hope he releases the TPP document to the public first thing but I imagine he will continue some of the same policies that Harper did ..

I voted for the only party against the TPP and Bill C-41 but I guess those things don't matter compared to the niqab!

And now we are stuck with a majority government, it's a sad day for democracy.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

The one thing about Trudeau that I really really don't like is his support of the TPP.

Funny that eh ? A document he nor the NDP read or wanted to . Cant say I blame them for not biting on Harpers offer but he is just like Harper as a opposite side of the same coin ...under a banner of a different colour .

a reply to: ipsedixit

The reason he was elected was the oil price issue and the resultant turning down of the economy. Period.

The rest is just rhetoric. The same economy as prior to the oil price plunge and this guy never wins.....

a reply to: ipsedixit

Cannabis is a natural herb that is not dangerous, belongs to all creatures great and small on this planet and its actually illegal, unlawful, null and void dictatorship fascist laws that think they can steal from people their natural medicines given by Creation/Universe/God/ETs, take your pick, and that their whole system, body is created in conjunction with. Read up on cannabinoids and human physiology.

It was actually DuPont who made this illegal while people were dying in the US due to the economic crash, to enslave and harm everyone with cancer and destroy their health and empowerment and freedom.

And you can believe what you want as long as you keep it in your house and not encroach into mine.

Law is about, not being able to run over to your house and rape, murder, steal, and it should be about, not being able to extort, exploit, enslave public through lying in office as well, and not speed down the road recklessly and kill a newborn coming home due to gross negligence and willful disregard for others safety.

Things like that.

But its not about depriving people of land and resources.

Now, I understand that what I am going to say is not literally this way, as I keep sending compassion towards Mr. Harper, and try to see the good in him. I'm aware that he has "handlers" and that he isn't personally going out and doing terrible things to children overseas. But, he has used our resources and tax dollars to prop up Isil and mercenaries to illegally try to topple foreign governments whose people enjoyed more freedoms than their neighbors, ie Libya and Syria, for example where women tend to dress more individually and the people are more middle class, but oops, they're not under Rothchild umbrella.

And of course Saudi wanted a pipeline through there.

Now, when you do that, and your merc's are raping , beheading and impaling children up their privates, etc, etc, crucifying, cutting off body parts, shoving women in death shrouds, selling them and their infants, you are beyond psychotic.

In an election where someone is running who is symbolically jack the ripper, or handled by that, and the others don't have the mark on them, at least yet. No responsible person who is awake and aware would ever be able to vote for the Murder Group.

The others might also be from the group, but they're not there yet, so the first decision weeds out the criminals.

That left only a few others by the way.

And I've voted NDP all my life.

Ed Broadbent, and Jack Layton were men of incredible integrity and would have been the best leaders on this planet.


Oh and then there is this very informative thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
50 reasons (and hundreds more) on why it's a good thing that Harper is gone.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Don't worry, Canada, you just got your very own Barack Obama. You can see how well that's worked out for your southern neighbor.

Maybe it won't go as badly for you. At least you don't have to worry about how all the world will love you again because of this one election.

Hope and change, baby! Learn to hope you are left with some change.

I think one of Mr. Harper's most important mistakes during this campaign was to pretend that he didn't take the attacks upon his person, personally.

It is easy to act with vigor early in one's career when one is seized by an idea and one wants to bring something into being, as Mr. Harper did with the current Conservative Party. When, later on, one is assailed by vicissitudes of circumstance and one's creative edifice is threatened, one can vigorously rally one's forces and deal with the issue as Mr. Harper did most effectively, along with Jim Flaherty, during the worldwide banking crisis.

However, well on in one's career, surrounded by jackals, one's personal make up, one's reserve and personal dignity can, and I think, in Mr. Harper's case, did, prevent or impede a turning in wrath upon one's attackers. Old lions like John Diefenbaker and Brian Mulroney would have lashed out at personal attacks with wit and sarcasm.

Whatever one might think of their policies or their administration, neither of those two leaders could ever be accused of a lack of passion, particularly on the defensive. Sometimes it is just the thing needed to rally the troops to the rescue and to redouble their efforts.

Politics is theater a lot of the time. Young drama teacher, Justin Trudeau, knows that well.

I am cautiously optimistic about the announcement from the new Prime Minister this morning that Canada will be pulling its air force contingent out of Iraq and Syria. Apparently he has spoken on the phone to the President of the United States about this and Mr. Obama has accepted the political reality behind Mr. Trudeau's decision.

I think this may be a very important move, actually, in aid of the President, who, according to pundits like Webster Tarpley and Thierry Meyssan, has been involved in a tussle over policy in Syria that has been going on for some time in Washington. Mr. Obama's side of this is much less hawkish than its policy adversaries' position.

Mr. Trudeau has also reaffirmed his intention to have a cabinet split evenly between men and women. That is a very interesting initiative. Of course, as Mrs. Thatcher has shown, the presence of a woman at the top doesn't necessarily lead to the "broad sunlit uplands" of a better world.

Anyway, I'm not bitter about Mr. Trudeau's accession to power and I am watching his experiments with benign cynicism at this point.

Can't we just trust in the fact that the country gave its leader the official boot?

a reply to: Akragon

No we can't. We want more.

I'm downloading every element of the Liberal Party campaign platform and will be monitoring their every move.

Note: In the course of the thread I said that "America is a nation of dummies." I don't believe that. It is an absurd statement, as another poster pointed out. I don't know why I said it. Perhaps it was frustration, or a fear that the real perps who did 9/11 might never be brought to justice. In any case, the only way I know of to correct an unfortunate impression left by an absurd statement is to counter it with another absurd statement.

America is a nation of geniuses!

There. I hope that anyone I may have offended with a thoughtless, insensitive calumny aimed at the greatest nation on earth will be soothed by an equally reckless compliment.

I don't come on this forum to insult people or cause emotional hurt. For that I do apologize.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
I'm downloading every element of the Liberal Party campaign platform and will be monitoring their every move.

Starting with the observation that Blair didn't make cabinet? I think it's telling that you are going to 'monitor' the Liberals to trip them up, instead of taking a positive attitude and seeing what good might come of this new government. Tell me, is every Tory going to spend the next four years sitting in a corner, muttering, with their little notebook and pencil in hand?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

At least one is going to do that. I'm sure there will be more.

As far as tripping them up is concerned, I'm sure they won't need my help with that.

They probably will do good things. I certainly hope the Prime Minister sticks to his plan of getting Canada out of the combat over there. Voices of globalism and conventional thinking in the Toronto Star are already saying that we should not abandon an active role in the war against ISIS. Of course nobody is suggesting a confrontation with the state sponsors of ISIS, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United States. That would be too much like addressing the real problem.

On climate, I think the Prime Minister has already dropped a big hint that government policy is going to change for the pragmatic and that Canada is going to adjust to global warming rather than engage in a futile and costly effort to battle against it. I welcome that. I don't think the Harper government had the mass support to take that position.

Accepting 25,000 Syrian refugees into the country is something I also support, but it is dangerous. It is something that could well result in increased powers of intrusion and intervention in Canadian lives by our police and security services, when/if bad apples among the newcomers run amok.

But on the main point, damn straight. No free ride from me for any government. When they take their seats in Heartbreak Hotel, I'll have my snotty nose pressed up against the window making nasty faces at them.

Justin Trudeau crypto-Nazi?

I don't think so, but it seems there is not much that Canada under Trudeau or Harper won't do to stay on the right side of Ukrainian voters, even if it means not rocking the neo-Nazi boat in Ukraine.

tass.ru...

Canada, US, Ukraine vote against UN resolution condemning glorification of Nazism

UNITED NATIONS, November 20. /TASS/. Third Committee of the UN General Assembly on Thursday adopted a resolution on measures against the glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that facilitate the escalation of modern forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and intolerance related to them.

A total of 126 member-states of the UN voted for the document and four countries — Canada, Palau, the US, and Ukraine — voted against it. Another 53 countries, including member-nations of the European Union abstained from voting.

As many as 115 countries voted for a similar resolution last year but three countries — Canada, Ukraine, and the US — voted against it.

Why would the Trudeau government vote along with most UN member nations against the glorification of Nazism in Ukraine, when it might upset Ukrainian voters in Canada and the United States?

It's a mystery. Maybe it would be seen as acknowledging the fascist element in the right wing coup that toppled the legitimate government of the Ukraine and led subsequently to the Ukrainian civil war and the annexation of the Crimea by Russia.

Maybe it would start people thinking that the Hitlerites in the mix were Ukrainian and not Russian.

It's a mystery. Maybe Justin Trudeau, bringer of change, can explain to us all why Canada continues to follow the Harper government's policy of velvet gloves for the Nazis in Ukraine.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Tass? Bwahahahaha..... Good luck with your endeavor to malign this government. This ain't the US dude. See how far those attack ads got Harper. We don't play that FB BS.

a reply to: intrepid

But, but, but . . . Commie-ism is dead, shurely. Russia is on our side now.

How about this, from the Canadian Press?

ca.news.yahoo.com...

OTTAWA - Canada appears poised to enter the Paris climate conference at the end of the month offering an emissions reduction target crafted by the previous federal government.

But unlike the Harper Conservatives, who were globally panned as climate laggards, Justin Trudeau's Liberals are being widely lauded, despite the absence of firm new policy measures.

Trudeau meets with Canada's provincial and territorial leaders Monday in Ottawa before heading to Europe for a week-long trip that culminates with the UN-sponsored COP21 in France. Indications so far suggest the Liberals will keep the same 2030 target for cutting Canadian greenhouse gas emissions by 30 per cent below 2005 levels that were announced by the Conservatives last May.

(Read in the voice of Jimmy Stewart.)

Come on folks, I'm not tryin' ta upset everybody. I like Justin Trudeau. He's a nice young fella. Heck, I'd like to get a "selfie" with him myself. It's just that he's doin' the same things that the other fella did, Mr. Harper. He told us how awful what the other fella was doin' and now he's doin' the same things. I don't see how that can be called "change". Maybe I'm just a grouch but I don't see "change" going on. I see "same" goin' on. The way I see it, Justin Trudeau is the same as Stephen Harper.

I'm beginning ta think somethin's goin' on here. I'm sure of it. Somethin's goin' on.