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Why usually tolerant British people like myself are becoming more intolerant and xenophobic!

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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack
reply to: asen_y2k


But when her objections are shouted down as "racist", it's meant to socially ostracize her and marginalize the viewpoint as more radical or controversial than what it actually is - which is a common sense reaction to the situation.




I dont see any suppression of free speech here. All I see is that the majority of Brits are tolerant good people who find the OPs views wrong and have all the freedom to express their own views. Thats what is happening here. Maybe the OPs views are a minority thus the voices of the majority appears to ostracize her.
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(post by noonebutme removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

Actually, you are correct if you are not looking at the inner city.

www.theguardian.com...

London is only 59% and some other suburbs are drastically lower statistically.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: noonebutme

5 - 10% is a few no matter how you slice it. Just because the number attached to 5 - 10% is large doesn't mean that it isn't a few. If there are 75 to 150 million terrorist Muslims which make up 5 to 10% of the total Muslim population, then simple math says that there are 1.35 to 1.425 billion more Muslims that AREN'T terrorists. Which of those two groups are you more likely to run into?
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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Good luck, but truthfully you've been sold out by your government, which in reality isn't "yours" and hasn't been for a very long time.

Truth is...........its too late to worry and too soon to cry. The milk's been spilled and ruined and its all over but the shouting.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It doesn't matter if they aren't terrorist. Many still support terrorist actions, Sharia laws, etc.

Most Germans weren't Nazi's either...



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: noonebutme

First off, the likelihood of ANY country in the West adopting Sharia Law as official political law is pretty much slim and none. You make it sound like Muslims are going to magically displant all the non-Muslims in the countries so they can enforce their will. Even after all the refugees are taken into whatever country you live in, you will STILL outnumber Muslims by a good margin. Believing in the "threat" of Sharia Law is literally straight up paranoia fueled by listening to too much propaganda.

[snip]
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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Put simply...cuz I have work to do...

You are not unusual. We all have our lizard brain and it serves us well at times.

It is when we permit our lizard brains to drive our thinking centers that people slip into Xenophobia.

We all have issues with prejudice, fearing those who are different, craving those that appear "like us". Anyone who tells you they never struggle with that is full of it.

The problem is that trusting those that look and act like us is as dangerous and useless as fearing those who are different.

When you are reacting to "comment sections" postings...your lizard brain has seized the helm. Seriously...there are insane forum postings everywhere.

Human diversity is a natural system. Migration is a natural system. Homogeneous things, be it a plant, ethnicity, ideology or a race are simply unliked by nature. the more homogenous any living population is the more vulnerable it is to the slightest change. A simple disease or unusually hot or cold spell can make entire species extinct overnight without diversity.

Diversity = Strength, adaptability, novel and new strategies for success.
Homogenous = Brittle, vulnerable, stagnant

In the USA we used to use the term "melting pot"..because of all the immigration waves from foreign countries...many of them massive.....we took about 1.5 Million Irish in the 1840's...another Million Germans in the 1850's another 1.5 Million Germans in the 1880's...then there was the world wars..And of course the Chinese immigration waves..Hell over 50 Million Americans right now are of German descent and yes many a lizard brain ruled the moment then and Germans were incredibly feared and discriminated again during those immigration waves.

But "Melting Pot"? ...cuz at the end of the day they knew then that an Alloy (mix of metals) is stronger than steel.

Don't fear the other, judge each for who they are and judge appropriately...Don't fear other cultures...

Just my advice for people, both individuals and populations.

And ISIS et al...got nothing to do with religion, just like the looters and pillagers of every nation past, crusades and all, religion is as always, simply an excuse, for the worst of us to do the worst things.




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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well. Living in the UK -- more likely the bad ones, as they are the ones who want to blow us up. And given how easy it is to get into the UK, and how we've let human rights run amok, I recon I bump into the bad ones more often than not.

But think about it for a second. 150 *million* people want your way of life extinct. I don't care about the good ones or the moderate ones. They aren't the problem. They are quiet and normal and do not interfere with democracy or freedom.

The problem is the BAD ones. And there's MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of them. THOSE are the ones that worry me.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: grandmakdw
This is a comment without reading the other replies.

I have been saying that fit men should not be allowed
to immigrate with the women, children, and elderly.

They need to stay and defend their homeland
and their homes from ISIS. That is their duty
and they have run from their duty and are
cowards.

No fit man should be allowed to immigrate period,
from a war torn nation, he should be defending
his home, his people and his land, not running
like a dog with it's tail tucked between its legs.



One of the Human Rights guarantee the unity of a family. Your proposal goes against The Fundamental Human Right


That is a bunch of politically correct garbage.

I do not see in wartime a man refusing to defend
his homeland as a human right.
It is cowardly, and behaving like a dog running
with its tail between its legs.

If that were the case during WWII when most
men left there families to fight Hitler
they would not have left and
Hitler would be in power.
Sorry and politically correct excuse for
cowardly behavior.

These fit men who refuse to fight are behaving
like pigs feeding at the trough of plenty, while
the real men who stay and fight are led to the
slaughter because of the cowards.


Many during WW2 fought and many fled, same in Syria, someone is still there doing the fighting right now. If all fled the fighting would have been over.

All these laws and Human Rights are guaranteed for a reason. Because if they can be taken away for a few people today, it can be taken away from you tomorrow. We must never let our fears blind us too the extend that we willingly give up our rights!


The real men with integrity who really
cared for their families and country
fought in WWII if they could.
These types of men are honorable
and courageous, the types of
people all countries want.

The pigs at the trough of plenty
who run like dogs
are not the type of people
that are honorable or
courageous.

From what I have seen and heard
70% of the immigrants are men
without families.
How about these men?

If political correctness were
around in WWII
Hitler would be running Europe
because men refused to
leave their families and homes,
and so let Hitler have the country
without a fight.

You are living in a pie in the sky
fantasy land that these men should
be allowed to stay instead of being
returned to their country to
fight for their own homes and
to fight for their own countries.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Krazysh0t

It doesn't matter if they aren't terrorist. Many still support terrorist actions, Sharia laws, etc.

Most Germans weren't Nazi's either...


Many support peace, religious tolerance, and secular rule too. Care to point out how we are supposed to tell them apart? While you are at it, tell me how to tell the difference between a non-racist white guy and a racist white guy or a tolerant Christian and an overly judgmental Christian. Oh wait, you can't tell that at all just by looking at someone.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well. Living in the UK -- more likely the bad ones, as they are the ones who want to blow us up. And given how easy it is to get into the UK, and how we've let human rights run amok, I recon I bump into the bad ones more often than not.


You haven't actually met and talked to a Muslim in person have you?


But think about it for a second. 150 *million* people want your way of life extinct. I don't care about the good ones or the moderate ones. They aren't the problem. They are quiet and normal and do not interfere with democracy or freedom.


So? There are quite a few white people in America who don't like my morals either. I'm not losing sleep over them and they pose a much greater threat than Muslims would ever pose a threat to me, and I WORK at a primarily Muslim ran company.


The problem is the BAD ones. And there's MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of them. THOSE are the ones that worry me.


NEWFLASH: There's millions and millions of bad people. Muslim's aren't special in that regard.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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Islam today is in a state approximating that of the Catholic Church 500 years ago. By and large the religious authorities were the true leaders and much violence and intimidation was encouraged to silence those who opposed the church. Anyone want to relive the Inquisition? That is where Europe is headed at it's present rate. Once Muslims become a majority they will assert themselves and completely replace government with their own version of "peace and Justice". But only if Allah is willing, which he apparently always is whenever it comes to forcing conversion or death upon unbelievers.

Allah is Lord or choose the sword.
How does that jibe with Liberty, Equality and Freedom?



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4DawnThank you for your post. I too have noticed that whenever genuine concerns are raised people tend to start with the name calling xenophobic, racist (since when Islam was a race God knows), bigot. There is never a true debate. I never actually get the answers I am seeking. Its always twisted responses. I am told I am taking in all the propaganda but that is only in relation to any mistrust I may have of muslims. The same people are then quite happy to refer to the propaganda when it is fuels their argument such as the little boy on the beach in Turkey. Yes mainstream media tends to sensationalise news but there is no getting away from the fact that they are reporting on things that are really happening. For instance a right wing paper may show lots of angry muslim men entering Europe, a left/liberal paper will show the children crying and the sick. However, ultimately there is a truth which is that there are thousands of people from lots of different countries which are predominantly muslim being allowed to walk freely through Europe and no one knows anything about these people. That is truth, that isn't propaganda. If I raise real concerns about how our infrastructure is going to cope with these numbers of people or how many is enough, I never get any answers that's when the name calling starts.

My eyes are really wide open, I look at lots of different forums, newspapers etc for my news. I haven't been brainwashed like many people seem to have been. I am not afraid to speak up about the unfairness in our society and there is unfairness whether people like or not. Animals are territorial for a reason, because they want to look after their food and environment, and we are animals so I would say I am using those instincts in my everyday life to keep my family safe.

The racism card has been used so frequently it no longer means anything and I can't even be bothered to come up with a response. I know the essence of me, I know I am not racist, I know this because of my group of friends, because of experiences I have had in life where I have stuck up for the underdog, but these people don't know me. I wouldn't have written the post I have written if those type of names bothered. It is the people who do the name calling who should be concerned. Maybe my age has something to do with it. I'm nearly 50 and come from an era where feelings and opinions were more open. Young people these day are conditioned from a very young age. An example is competition isn't allowed any more in British primary schools. How are these children then going to function when they leave school and have to compete for jobs etc. Its just gone so PC it is dangerous and people are blinded from it.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Very well put. I'm not British, I'm American and feel the same way.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: asen_y2kA lot of people on here aren't from Britain. In fact looking it is the British people mainly who are agreeing with me. What is it you don't agree with?



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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Yes, it did start after 9/11, immediately after, 9/11


A pro-migrant, open borders activist is reported to be “very sad” after being stabbed twice in the back by a gang of “Arabs” as he stood outside a pizzeria in Dresden, east Germany.


then there is this




open borders activist decided to hush up her own gang-rape by African migrants.

Volunteering on the French-Italian border in a migrant camp, the woman was cornered in a shower block by a gang of Sudanese men, but kept the event to herself for a month because she and her colleagues feared it would slow the progress of their ideal of a world without borders.


One has to wonder, how deeply they have been brainwashed.

www.breitbart.com...



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: anxiouswens

Put simply...cuz I have work to do...


And ISIS et al...got nothing to do with religion, just like the looters and pillagers of every nation past, crusades and all, religion is as always, simply an excuse, for the worst of us to do the worst things.




If that were true every Muslim country would be sending troops to wipe out this nest of extremists but they don't. Heck, they won't even accept legitimate war refugees. It would appear Islam at large approves of ISIS and their actions.

Sort out the good from the bad? You are asking Westerners to do what Muslims themselves will not.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

How exactly are Muslims going to become a majority in Europe when they make up such a small minority? This is all the same fear and mistrust we see in the states when the right pretends like immigrants are here to usurp the American way of life, all while disregarding the fact that they all continue to outnumber those outsiders by a VERY significant margin that isn't easily overcome just by populations immigrating into the country.



posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Islam today is in a state approximating that of the Catholic Church 500 years ago.


What became of the Roman Catholic Church? I think their "Caliphate" consists of 100 acres in Italy....and the Muslims they battled had nothing to do with that.

Forgive me if I don't panic.







 
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