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The reason the universe has always existed (and everything else) and allways will.

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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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There is a reason the universe has always existed (and everything else) and always will and that is solved through adding and subtracting positive and negative numbers. Our universe is basically made of 1's and 0's, positive and negative, light and dark. If you have two objects "something" and "nothing" they could be represented as positive 1 and negative 1. If you have positive/negatives then you either have -1 X -1 =1, -1 X 1 = -1, 1 x 1 = 1. So -1 X 1 = 1, -1 X -1 = 1, Or 1 X 1 = 1 and the answer is -1 X -1 = 1. We were created by -1 X -1 = 1 or something out of nothing, light or dark, night and day. You could say that nothing created something but we were created at the instant it became -1 X -1 = 1. That then created -1 x 1 = -1 which means humans, stars, animals when anything becomes a double negative they instantly become a 1 again because again you can't have 2 negatives. Our universe weather or not it goes back to negative 1 for our comprehension is infinite to our eyes. we are in shells of -1/1/-1/1-1/1 to infinity or the string (-1X-1X1X-1X-1X-1X1x-1) or 00100010.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:51 PM
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Ok thanks for that (surely 100%) correct info.
Bye.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:52 PM
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So that is the number one reason it exists? There is zero chance of you being wrong.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: LightSource

You're wrong, there isn't just 0 and 1, there is 0,1, and -1. How can you say 0 is negative when it's clearly not negative or positive, zero corresponds to nothing. The universe can be summed up as -1 + 1 = 0 because the only way you can get a universe from nothing is for it to equal nothing even after it exists, which is why an equal amoung of positive and negative energy must exist. This is an idea called the zero-energy universe.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
So that is the number one reason it exists? There is zero chance of you being wrong.


We are "something" 1, Nothing -1, Universe expanding 1, Universe collapsing -1 , if its 1 X 1 = 1 then we expand forever/live forever. If it's -1 we die. We have concluded that eventually everything will go dark in our universe which would cool the universe to -1 which you can't and then it becomes 1 again. So once it becomes 1 however everything in our universe dies -1 so we have to be -1 x 1 = -1 and our start would then have to be -1 x -1 =1 because if we started 1x1 we would never have a negative number in our universe which we do.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I never said our creation had a 0 the 0 or zero is the starting point you can never see because its like trying to explain something that is not there but you can see something like looking through a foggy glass that you can't make out what is inside.

added- Absolute zero is something we have been trying to get cold and the speed of light but you can never get to 0 or zero or the fastest there is. The true color of absolute zero is black with zero light/energy but that never happens because we become 1 at the moment we die or become -1. There is one other option and that is 1 x 1 = 1 which means if you are that 1 then you are the god or a god who never made a mistake you were just 1 from the start and never moved from 1 which is not our case or heat/energy or stars. if our universe is a god then it is in a -1 X 1 state which when complete = -1 X -1 = 1. We are in an infinite 1x-1x-1x1x-1x1x-1


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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

In terms of numbers, I would have to agree with you rather than the OP.

In materialistic terms of energy and terms of creation, I would say it is more likely that the universe was created by a force that we can not measure, but that doesnt mean it doesn't exist.

In terms of numbers, the universe was created when the sale of numbers switched from negative, to positive, 0 being the big bang in which all positive numbers originate, but behind 0 is the negative numbers from which 0 originated.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: LightSource

originally posted by: rickymouse
So that is the number one reason it exists? There is zero chance of you being wrong.


We are "something" 1, Nothing -1, Universe expanding 1, Universe collapsing -1 , if its 1 X 1 = 1 then we expand forever/live forever. If it's -1 we die. We have concluded that eventually everything will go dark in our universe which would cool the universe to -1 which you can't and then it becomes 1 again. So once it becomes 1 however everything in our universe dies -1 so we have to be -1 x 1 = -1 and our start would then have to be -1 x -1 =1 because if we started 1x1 we would never have a negative number in our universe which we do.


You pretty much got that 1 down pat. So what if the other 1 shows up and doesn't agree with the 1 you are talking about.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: LightSource


We are "something" 1, Nothing -1

This is still not right...

1 = something
0 = nothing
-1 = anti-something



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: LightSource
There is a reason the universe has always existed (and everything else) and always will and that is solved through adding and subtracting positive and negative numbers. Our universe is basically made of 1's and 0's, positive and negative, light and dark. If you have two objects "something" and "nothing" they could be represented as positive 1 and negative 1. If you have positive/negatives then you either have -1 X -1 =1, -1 X 1 = -1, 1 x 1 = 1. So -1 X 1 = 1, -1 X -1 = 1, Or 1 X 1 = 1 and the answer is -1 X -1 = 1. We were created by -1 X -1 = 1 or something out of nothing, light or dark, night and day. You could say that nothing created something but we were created at the instant it became -1 X -1 = 1. That then created -1 x 1 = -1 which means humans, stars, animals when anything becomes a double negative they instantly become a 1 again because again you can't have 2 negatives. Our universe weather or not it goes back to negative 1 for our comprehension is infinite to our eyes. we are in shells of -1/1/-1/1-1/1 to infinity .


Sorry but all of your equations are wrong.
You first said that everything is made up from positive and negatives which are basically 1s and 0s. Now everything x0 equals 0. So you changed the rules to have a positive (1) and a double negative (-1) as 0 would be that single negative.

So according to your own reasoning this happens:-

For every positive (-1) there are 2 negatives (-1) which would mean, according to your own phraseology, that in fact, something can be made out of nothing as there are two times more nothings than somethings.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: LightSource

originally posted by: rickymouse
So that is the number one reason it exists? There is zero chance of you being wrong.


We are "something" 1, Nothing -1, Universe expanding 1, Universe collapsing -1 , if its 1 X 1 = 1 then we expand forever/live forever. If it's -1 we die. We have concluded that eventually everything will go dark in our universe which would cool the universe to -1 which you can't and then it becomes 1 again. So once it becomes 1 however everything in our universe dies -1 so we have to be -1 x 1 = -1 and our start would then have to be -1 x -1 =1 because if we started 1x1 we would never have a negative number in our universe which we do.


You pretty much got that 1 down pat. So what if the other 1 shows up and doesn't agree with the 1 you are talking about.


1x-1 = -1

Weather or not the first persons point is valid it is still the 1 and the response is -1.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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We don't need to worry about any of this silly math to talk about the fate of the universe anyway. It will either expand forever, in which case we're screwed, or the expansion will slow down and eventually reverse, in which case we're screwed. But it could be a cyclic process where it collapses and then re-expands over and over again, so new civilizations could exist. Or maybe space-time is actually infinite, which is very well may be, in which case things get a bit more tricky. And what if other dimensions or parallel universes exists, it gets even trickier.

In any case, it's very clear that the universe we live in isn't the very first universe to ever be created and its nonsense to claim time didn't exist anywhere before the big bang and nothing will exist after our universe is gone. I think that's a very egocentric point of view, there's no way the first universe ever created just happened to be perfect for producing advanced intelligent beings such as ourselves. Clearly time or space must be infinite otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. The real trick is explaining how universes can be created from nothing.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: LightSource
There is a reason the universe has always existed (and everything else) and always will and that is solved through adding and subtracting positive and negative numbers. Our universe is basically made of 1's and 0's, positive and negative, light and dark. If you have two objects "something" and "nothing" they could be represented as positive 1 and negative 1. If you have positive/negatives then you either have -1 X -1 =1, -1 X 1 = -1, 1 x 1 = 1. So -1 X 1 = 1, -1 X -1 = 1, Or 1 X 1 = 1 and the answer is -1 X -1 = 1. We were created by -1 X -1 = 1 or something out of nothing, light or dark, night and day. You could say that nothing created something but we were created at the instant it became -1 X -1 = 1. That then created -1 x 1 = -1 which means humans, stars, animals when anything becomes a double negative they instantly become a 1 again because again you can't have 2 negatives. Our universe weather or not it goes back to negative 1 for our comprehension is infinite to our eyes. we are in shells of -1/1/-1/1-1/1 to infinity .



Sorry but all of your equations are wrong.
You first said that everything is made up from positive and negatives which are basically 1s and 0s. Now everything x0 equals 0. So you changed the rules to have a positive (1) and a double negative (-1) as 0 would be that single negative.

So according to your own reasoning this happens:-

For every positive (-1) there are 2 negatives (-1) which would mean, according to your own phraseology, that in fact, something can be made out of nothing as there are two times more nothings than somethings.



It actually never becomes -1 x -1 =1 because it first has to reach -1 x 0 = 0 and that can't and won't ever happen because you can never actually reach 1 or 0 or the speed or light and "no" light its impossible inside our own universe but not on the outside. Our own universe is the closest thing to 1 you could ever imagine if you tried to see its end (you never will) as well as we can never actually become 0 its impossible so -1 is actually outside our universe and not inside and same with 0.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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I think a better argument for the universe always existing is in the conservation of energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed and the universe is one enormous ball of energy.

No beginning, no end, only constant change from one form to another. The current form of the universe started at the big bang but the energy from the big bang existed in a different form beforehand for eternity already.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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In my opinion, it would make sense that energy could disipate, if In fact all is waves in one form or another, then eventually near the end of that wave, the frequency will become non existant at some point.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
We don't need to worry about any of this silly math to talk about the fate of the universe anyway. It will either expand forever, in which case we're screwed, or the expansion will slow down and eventually reverse, in which case we're screwed. But it could be a cyclic process where it collapses and then re-expands over and over again, so new civilizations could exist. Or maybe space-time is actually infinite, which is very well may be, in which case things get a bit more tricky. And what if other dimensions or parallel universes exists, it gets even trickier.

In any case, it's very clear that the universe we live in isn't the very first universe to ever be created and its nonsense to claim time didn't exist anywhere before the big bang and nothing will exist after our universe is gone. I think that's a very egocentric point of view, there's no way the first universe ever created just happened to be perfect for producing advanced intelligent beings such as ourselves. Clearly time or space must be infinite otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. The real trick is explaining how universes can be created from nothing.



-1 X -1 = 1

The full string is actually -1 X -1 X 1 X -1 (because we and evertything we know dies) X -1 X 1 (-1X-1X1X-1X-1X-1X1x-1) or 00100010
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:39 PM
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-1 X -1 = 1

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Your use of multiplication doesn't seem to make any sense. When I say an equal amount of negative and positive energy must exist it makes sense to say that when you combine all the positive energy with the negative energy the result is nothing because they cancel each other out. That is what -1+1=0 means.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: DeadCat
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

In my opinion, it would make sense that energy could disipate, if In fact all is waves in one form or another, then eventually near the end of that wave, the frequency will become non existant at some point.



So as light gets closer to absolute zero on the kelvin scale (temperature) it flattens our and starts acting like a wave. a wave is "potential" energy that changes when it hits another wave and energy is created. So at absolute Zero which we can never reach in our universe is actually represented as 0 and the first and second wave is -1 and -1 and is actually currently now outside our universe in absolute zero kelvin (0) and creating universes with each hit of energy or -1x-1x1x-1x-1x-1x1x-1 or 00100010.
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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: LightSource
It actually never becomes -1 x -1 =1 because it first has to reach -1 x 0 = 0 and that can't and won't ever happen because you can never actually reach 1 or 0 or the speed or light and "no" light its impossible inside our own universe but not on the outside. Our own universe is the closest thing to 1 you could ever imagine if you tried to see its end (you never will) as well as we can never actually become 0 its impossible so -1 is actually outside our universe and not inside and same with 0.


Ok. So if we can't get to completely 1 let's call it 0.9. Let's ignore completely 0 because that's completely nothing. So that leaves the negative of the positive which we shall call -0.9 as (as you put it) we can't get to completely -1
Which makes everything:-

0.9 x -0.9 = -0.81
-0.9 x 0.9 = -0.81
0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81
-0.9 x -0.9 = 0.81

So 2 positive or negatives times together make a positive, but a negative times a positive or positive times a negative makes a negative.

Now I before you think I'm trying to disprove you of anything let me say this. I understand and completely agree with the term "for every positive there must be a negative", but I believe you've missed the equation a bit on this one.

Now my personal beliefs (yes, beliefs are had by people who aren't religious lol) that we started with the big bang and will end with the big implosion. This implosion never leaves a complete nothing so there will always be the positive and negative (matter and anti-matter), which, when the collide again, will cause another Big Bang, which will inevitably end with another big implosion. And continue that on "forever".






posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: LightSource
It actually never becomes -1 x -1 =1 because it first has to reach -1 x 0 = 0 and that can't and won't ever happen because you can never actually reach 1 or 0 or the speed or light and "no" light its impossible inside our own universe but not on the outside. Our own universe is the closest thing to 1 you could ever imagine if you tried to see its end (you never will) as well as we can never actually become 0 its impossible so -1 is actually outside our universe and not inside and same with 0.


Ok. So if we can't get to completely 1 let's call it 0.9. Let's ignore completely 0 because that's completely nothing. So that leaves the negative of the positive which we shall call -0.9 as (as you put it) we can't get to completely -1
Which makes everything:-

0.9 x -0.9 = -0.81
-0.9 x 0.9 = -0.81
0.9 x 0.9 = 0.81
-0.9 x -0.9 = 0.81

So 2 positive or negatives times together make a positive, but a negative times a positive or positive times a negative makes a negative.

Now I before you think I'm trying to disprove you of anything let me say this. I understand and completely agree with the term "for every positive there must be a negative", but I believe you've missed the equation a bit on this one.

Now my personal beliefs (yes, beliefs are had by people who aren't religious lol) that we started with the big bang and will end with the big implosion. This implosion never leaves a complete nothing so there will always be the positive and negative (matter and anti-matter), which, when the collide again, will cause another Big Bang, which will inevitably end with another big implosion. And continue that on "forever".






You are looking through the wrong glass. There is a 1 and -1 however it is "outside our universe. I universe is 1 and everything outside it is -1. To get to 0 our universe needs to be absolute nothing or zero kelvin which is impossible and can only be accomplished outside our universe which is -1 not 0 because it is still something 2 waves of potential energy which created something. -1 x -1 = 1




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