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Obamacare fines to double. Supporters see this as a good thing.

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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 11:38 AM
a reply to: sirChill

This was a favorite subject in sociology class. The low end employees for the welfare system have contempt for these ladies. However, the government helps those who make soldiers.

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 11:46 AM

originally posted by: Daedal
Also to note, the employer mandate was delayed and goes into effect next year for businesses with 50 - 99 employees.

The corporation I work for is already making sure no one gets over 35 hours.

I used to work 12 hours a day 5 and 6 days a week for a guy who would laugh at me because he wasn't required to pay overtime. He also laughed at the Christians who would buy the expensive Christian trinkets in his shop. He wasn't atheist. He followed The Rules of Acquisition. There is no profit in caring.
edit on 20-10-2015 by gentledissident because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 12:28 PM
I lost my 2000$ a month job in the oil biz last year when oil prices dropped. My spouse and I TOGETHER, work 8 hours a day at minimum wage, (4 days a week @ 4 hours each) we have no cell phone bill, we have no car (it was repo'd last year as well). We pay 35$ a month for cable (we only eat one meal a day to afford it) we pay half our monthly income on rent.
Even if we had ACA we still would have to pay 5000$ a year deductible. Which means we cannot go to the doctor, at ALL and still buy food. We cannot get food stamps because we have no children. 700$ fine means we will not be celebrating any holidays next year (all of the holidays). My spouse has high blood pressure, we found out when we went to give plasma (to get money for food) We have not seen a doctor in over a decade, because even when we had jobs and insurance we could never take time off work to see one when sick, Boss's frown on taking days off ya know. We as of today are celebrating 23 years of Marriage, our current employer "allowed" us 3 days off for it (without pay, of course). Our employer only has 7 people working for him, it's not a big operation and there is no chance of getting a raise.

I Still stump for for Trump in the hopes he wins and Drives the current establishment insane!!!!!

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 12:37 PM

originally posted by: grey580
And I'm very shocked that NO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE is running on an eliminate Obamacare platform.

Someone likely already answered this....but it bears repeating.

Simply put, since the insurance and drug companies are running the way is any candidate going to disrupt the lobbyist gravy train and give middle America affordable health care.

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 12:49 PM
Nudge. Shove. Shoot.

This is just the nudge. The shove will come when people refuse to pay this tax, err fine, and they are put into prison or are assigned work details as part of their paroles (work camps).

When people still refuse to accept the fascism, that's when the bullets will be sent in their direction.

I don't mean this just in regards to healthcare, but the fascism in the US in general.

Comply or die.

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 12:59 PM
a reply to: GenerationGap

My spouse and I have Nothing to lose but our lives, shoot away!!

Too bad more of you don't feel this way, good thing the founding fathers did.

"give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 04:54 PM
Like anybody working for a small business, I Iost my health insurance as a result of Obamacare. For those that don't know, Obamacare fines small businesses up to $10,000 per month for providing employees with health insurance. Sounds crazy, but it's true. Another big fat lie from our arrogant, deceitful president.

I truly cannot understand how any American with half a brain could possibly support Obama after all the lies, the wars....worst of all, he has actually strengthened most Bush policies (like Patriot Act) and lengthened Bush's wars.

The media still loves the worst president of all time--and this is do to a radical shift from journalism to propaganda. That's tight folks, it's all propaganda now--CNN, NBC, ABC, PBS and FOX no longer have any regard for the truth or investigative journalism and are all pitching pure politics 24/7. That's all that hope and change got us.

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 07:26 PM
I'm going to throw this out there, but get informed please. Spend the 700 or get insurance. If this fails the USA will go to single payer and your taxes will go up 8-10% a person. I hate to say it but, as bad as it is and as in the pocket of insurance companies as it is, is the last grasp by the US gov to force people to buy insurance to fix coverage in the USA and keep healthcare in the private sector.

How much will you be crying when we are forced to go to single payer because of this failure? 2.5% of your income will be what you are wishing for over the alternative.

a reply to: gladtobehere

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 07:28 PM
If you are dual income you should qualify for benefits if you are both minimum wage...what state are you in?

a reply to: thedigirati

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 07:30 PM
And the forefathers created the document that allowed this law to be put in place and the SCOTUS thinks it is constitutional, so you are at odds with the founding fathers.

a reply to: thedigirati

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 07:31 PM
He lied to you about not having to pay overtime unless you were salary and signed the waiver.

a reply to: gentledissident

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 07:40 PM
Pre ACA my portion of insurance was 400 a month for my family. PPO health, low deductible, low copay, dental, vision and life. The first year it went up to 500. Now I am paying almost 600 and my employer pays 740. That's a HUGE increase.

I work in the insurance industry (IT) and had it explained to me that I'm basically paying for those who are still uninsured and that the best plans are the most expensive as they offset the most costs. So theoretically as more people get insured my costs will go back down.

I absolutely do not believe my costs will ever go back down, but this is still cheaper than losing half my pay in taxes.

a reply to: thinline

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 08:38 PM
a reply to: raymundoko

Ah, too late now. It was over 20 years ago. I was sent to Texas by my dad to find work. I don't know why. My employer told me he hated me, but I made him more money than he'd ever made.

I'm just starting to realize that I've been a mark for most my life. It never occurred to me that most around me were out to get me, no matter how many times it was proven to me. That must have been why I was so attractive to cons.

My current girlfriend of around 15 years has gone through similar experiences. We're a tad bit wiser, but it's been hard for us to see the bad in people. This site has helped a lot. Thanks ATS.

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 09:09 PM

originally posted by: raymundoko
is the last grasp by the US gov to force people to buy insurance to fix coverage in the USA and keep healthcare in the private sector.

I feel healthcare, housing, food, and technology should be things people cooperate on. I feel that these should be worker owned government institutions. I feel like government should be run by and for the people to insure equality. However, I know how people, and therefore government, can be. They can be mean, lazy, selfish, greedy, conniving, and power hungry. I feel like I'm a mutant for feeling differently than the bulk of my species.
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posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:14 PM
I'm glad I saw this thread. I can anonomously vent.

Background, my husband is a diabetic who had a massive coronary (LAD 100% blocked--code blue in er, emergency cardiac cath done, stent inserted) five and a half years ago. He spent eight days in a CICU and 4 days in a step down unit. Six months later (approx) he had to have two smaller stents also inserted (2 days CICU 2 days step down unit). Our total deductibles for 2009 was a little under 7k (and hospital, a non profit, gave us almost 3 yrs to pay off what we owed). We had great, affordable insurance (thru his employer) for our (then--one son is off our insurance now) family of five.

As an aside, my husband spent 4 months on disability, and as his weakened heart prohibits some activities, he was given a lesser paying desk job which he still holds.

Fast forward to 2015. From diabetes (and possibly the cocktail of meds he takes for his heart) husband now has kidney issues. I had to take him to the er (end of September) for sudden fever, extreme flank pain (he has kidney stones) Spent hours in the ER (he took two drip bags of IV fluid; was given an anti-nausea med; and a ct scan.) The bills are now rolling in.

As of today (more bills yet to arrive ) We will pay about $3900 for the ER visit (we are paying in total...because our "silver plan" more than twice per month deduction from his pay more than we paid 5 years ago for BETTER coverage, has a $12,700 "out of pocket" we must pay BEFORE our coverage "starts.")

And, we will get our (hefty) medical insurance information for 2016 on November 1st (mandatory bronze plan, here we come). I can't imagine how our coverage can get worse.

I don't know how I'm going to pay this (how long will they give me?) and husbands follow up w/primary care doc found (on the CT) an enlargement of the top (head?) of his pancreas. He wants to refer my husband to a specialist and a heavily recommended "dye" test be done. Husband said no. We cant afford it. We have to pay the "next" $8800 "out of pocket" and that can't happen.

I just want to cry. Oh...and its "Pink October!" so I keep getting reminded of the mammogram I'm supposed to have (but can't afford)....and the flu shots we are supposed to get (husband can got his at work); sons and I (I'm a retail worker--NO shot clinic for us peon's) are supposed to use (lol !!) OUR INSURANCE coverage!!! Isn't that a hoot!!!

Yea ObamaCare! Woo hoo! Gotta love that hope and change!

edit on 20-10-2015 by Glinda because: Type

posted on Oct, 20 2015 @ 10:31 PM
The penalty-tax-fine for those who do not have major medical insurance in 2015 is 2%.
The penalty-tax-fine for those who do not have major medical insurance in 2016 is 2.5%
That is NOT DOUBLE, as all the lame-brained media is reporting.

The true insanity of the un-Affordable Care Act is on display in this chart (Table B2) from the Congressional Budget Office.

In summary, over a 10 year period (2015 thru 2025), the number of people in America WITH HEALTH INSURANCE will increase by only 5%. Yet the government (a.k.a. Taxpayer) payout of the APTC/Subsidy to help people pay for health insurance will increase a whopping 78%! Even if the country could afford this, the lack of efficiency and results is INSANE. The ACA in its present form MUST GO.

The only good thing is that this nasty storm is almost behind us. It will be over after the November 2016 presidential election. Just a little more than 12 months from now.

edit on 10/20/2015 by carewemust because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 21 2015 @ 06:39 AM
Obamacare is an illegal tax, plain and simple. Unfortunately, both sides support it.

posted on Oct, 21 2015 @ 06:40 AM
4 pages of replies and not one ObamaCare Defender has chimed in. Where are all the folks who were pimping this just a short time ago? Why aren't you here telling us how stupid, selfish and uncaring and wrong we are? That "free" healthcare is the best thing to happen to America since Obama was born in the manger, while all the angels were weeping with joy? Why aren't you throwing up graphs and statistics and Obama quotes, proving that bleeding us dry is a good thing?
Come on. Let's see you spin this pile of sh** in to gold.

posted on Oct, 21 2015 @ 07:06 AM
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I am a progressive liberal. And I stated from the beginning that it was a scam. Because I knew that our democratic party is neither progressive or liberal. They are corporate schills, just like the republican party. Other nations have single payer health....and school. It is much cheaper than ours, and a boon to society. Just not when for profit groups are the ones who design it for their own benefit.

posted on Oct, 21 2015 @ 09:43 AM
a reply to: DAVID64

There is one in particular with an Obama avitar that loves to pump unicorn piss and rainbows up everyone's backsides about how fantastic Obama is. Strangely absent.

Seeing the reality of this rape, it's really hard to imagine why this isn't illegal.

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