Obamacare fines to double. Supporters see this as a good thing.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
Just have a question. Did anyone honestly not see obamacare or whatever you want to call it becoming unaffordable, not helping with service because it didn't deal with costs or the penalties?? Honestly, raise your hand if you followed the yellow brick road thinking the people pushing this were helping anyone but their insurance friends.

We screamed from the roof tops that this would happen, and NO ONE listened, all the progressives (as always) told us how backward we were , how wrong we were, and how we hated poor people......

My next question is, when are they goign to get tired of being wrong and LISTEN to reason for once

The liberals wanted, I yelled for people to listen! I said Obama , Obama care would be a bad idea. People refused to listen and fought me on the subject.

Now my already pathetic tax return goes right back to the "affordable" health care act.

I rarely get sick, if I have a problem I go to the local doctor who is affordable and may my own way. It's unfair that what I would spend maybe $100 a year or a tad bit more to paying $550 a month for insurance thru the exchange or $700 for a fine.

Doesn't make since, fine is cheaper but I shluldnt have to pay it.
Sick of all this

Lets add to the mix that the biggest Obamacare exchanges are shutting down due to the cost. This will dump a lot of people into the no insurance plan bracket and get fined.

I'm waiting to see where all this ends up in 5 years, as a person with 3 healthcare programs before Obamacare my cost has gone up 400%

originally posted by: peskyhumans
Ben Carson is.

Too bad he's laughably awful on everything else. Single pay seems fairer to me, but if the government just has to manage my money, I'm sure I'll need that savings account 30 some years from now.

The fine for me is way cheaper than the insurance. Last year my tax preparer, my girlfriend, told me she was checking a "hardship" box in answer to why I didn't have health care. That seems to have worked for the time being. However, I remember the W Bush emergency checks that had to be paid back at tax time.

The only way I would vote for Carson is if he were running against Hillary. My only hope is that Bernie is the nominee with an outstanding running mate. He's definitely gonna need help and quite possibly a replacement.

a reply to: gladtobehere
Yep...............take your hope and your change.

a reply to: network dude

I pay 380 and it was sub 200 before Obamacare. I have everything that the government says they want the people to have. Low co pays, low deductibles, but I will probably have to drop it because I cannot afford it. I had this plan for years, I had to choice between cable and health care, I chose health care. If more people would have chose no cable or no cell phone and bought health care, we all would be better off. Somehow being responsible for a portion of the population means, that they should have fun, and that YOU have to be responsible and pay your fair share so they can have the same stuff as you. Socialism, making everyone equally poor since 1848

Don't even get me started on the joys of Obamacare. I'm a single mother on disability. I am covered my Medicare. But Medicare doesn't cover dependents (aka my 2 kids). My taxable income is 0. But my disability income is $200 over the threshold for Medicaid/Chips. So my only option is to pay $200 for an insurance plan....with a $12,000 deductible!!! So, I'm already struggling to pay for medications, past medical bills, dental, vision and glasses, doctor visits and vaccinations for my kids.......but I'm supposed to continue to pay for all that PLUS $200 for insurance that will never come into play. A year and a half ago my daughter ended up in the ER- mysterious respiratory infection/3 breathing treatments then home- $10,000 bill. I'm STILL making payments. According to their lovely insurance plan, I would be paying all that still with no help PLUS $200 per month (would be over $300 except for their $130 tax credit).

So now you want to fine me? Eff you Obamacare. My bank account is -$200 right now, so I guess you can just take it out in a pound of flesh, cuz that's ALL I've got to my name.
(pretend that's not a thumb, but a big fat middle finger)

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
We screamed from the roof tops that this would happen, and NO ONE listened, all the progressives (as always) told us how backward we were , how wrong we were, and how we hated poor people......

My next question is, when are they goign to get tired of being wrong and LISTEN to reason for once

To be fair, A LOT of people had stars in their eyes about getting help for health care. But the fact of the matter is, Obamacare doesn't provide health care. It doesn't even really help you afford health care. It's a government mandate FORCING citizens to purchase a 'service' from private companies. How that's constitutional is beyond me.

There are hundreds of thousands of poor, working poor, right-on-the-cusp of poor....that could really use affordable health care. And it would be a wonderful thing if the government could help them get it. But why would politicians want to SPEND money on stupid old poor people when they could sit back and let the money POUR IN from insurance/pharmaceutical lobbyists? Gawd, those BMW's and Lexus' don't pay for themselves people.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

My family always falls barely over all the crappy thresholds, too. So I sympathize. My husband and I would be better off taking a $3000/yr. pay cut.

Consider this, too, my BFF is a social worker and mentors two young boys -- 4 and 5 -- who live in a single parent family. They are both on KCHIP (I'm in KY). Their mother is too lazy to take them to the doctor when they get sick, so instead she runs them to the ER which is much closer to her house. Colds, bugs, every little thing -- she takes them to the hospital!

It's ridiculous and it infuriates me. The state and ERs need to start pushing lazy parents like this to go to the doctor. She is racking up $1000s every time she does it. All that waste has a profound effect on the cost of our insurance. She pays nothing and doesn't have a care in the world about what she wastes.

You and I struggle to pay for insurance and medical expenses, meanwhile she sits on her fat butt soaking up the finest medical care at the best children's hospital in the state --- for colds!


EDIT: IMO, It's people like her that need to pay penalties for the WASTEFUL spending.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
To be fair, A LOT of people had stars in their eyes about getting help for health care. But the fact of the matter is, Obamacare doesn't provide health care. It doesn't even really help you afford health care. It's a government mandate FORCING citizens to purchase a 'service' from private companies. How that's constitutional is beyond me.

The government has become a sleazy insurance salesman. Nothing more. I don't know anyone would couldn't afford health insurance before but can now under the ACA.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
But why would politicians want to SPEND money on stupid old poor people when they could sit back and let the money POUR IN from insurance/pharmaceutical lobbyists? Gawd, those BMW's and Lexus' don't pay for themselves people.

Well, they spend money on the poor, just not the working poor.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I know people like this too, and they can cost the state 50 to 100k a year for nothing really.

Checks and balances are not in, on any level, and yet everyone sits quietly doing nothing about it.

If everyone stopped working for 90 days, and told the IRS, banks, municipalities, and everything else to go frick themselves, then maybe we might get something done for a change.

The problem is people just keep giving up, and giving in more and more each year. Pretty soon they won't be able to squeeze anymore blood from the stone.

a reply to: Realtruth

heck if all the lower paid workers would just not go to work for one week, and the unemployed refused to take their jobs, I imagine our gov't would be making moves to force the people back to work, somehow....

but, too many are living paycheck to paycheck and really just can't be out of work when they are sick, let alone for a whole week just to send the gov't a message. but, I have a feeling it would be a very effective message if they did.

a reply to: gladtobehere

How odd, I thought republicans were the party trying to punish the poor. Once again it shows me there's not much difference between the two parties. Equally worthless, and always want your money if your rich or poor. Enjoy president Clinton or president Bush. We just need more republicans or democrats and life will improve. Or so I am told.

Only in government math does fining people who can't afford something to begin with make sense.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: gladtobehere

How odd, I thought republicans were the party trying to punish the poor. Once again it shows me there's not much difference between the two parties. Equally worthless, and always want your money if your rich or poor. Enjoy president Clinton or president Bush. We just need more republicans or democrats and life will improve. Or so I am told.

There's no difference, at all. Obama voters thought they were electing someone who would fight to bring healthcare to people. Instead, Congress schemed to come up with the ACA and line their pockets while hiding behind a smoke-and-mirrors two party divide.

It's always a bunch a bullsh*t. Voters never get what they voted for and refuse to see the truth -- the two parties are in bed together to serve the interests of the global elite.

I would go one step further and say people that have kids when they can't afford them are being lazy, selfish and crappy parents, and I'm not talking about people losing a good job and going through a hard time.

Not that I'm trying to be a jerk or anything, but seriously....I never understood this. Why have kids if you make less than poverty and can't make it on your current salary? I can understand one maybe even two kids, but I see people with 4-6 kids making less than 30k a year all over in my town....why? To what end? This isn't the 1800's, you don't need tons of kids to run the farm. Some of these people talk about it like its a badge of honor.....

Here is the situation in my eyes:
-You have a government system that sucks at doing what it promised and probably grossly in-efficient and under-funded,
-coupled with a healthcare system that tries to be as expensive as it can when given the chance,
-mixed with all the happy to be in poverty folk having 4-6 kids because condoms suck and its el natural...

Sounds like a trifecta from hell.

originally posted by: tnhiker
Only in government math does fining people who can't afford something to begin with make sense.

That's the insanity of it all.

They are so out of touch they have no idea that $700 isn't even doable for most struggling people/families.

Let's use basic logic here folks.

hmmm I can't afford health insurance because the government totally screwed it up with the ACA. Most people could afford it before this debacle, now they can't pay for it period.

So now people opt out of insurance and pay medical bills by way of cash, which basically bankrupts them.

Now the IRS/government wants to penalize these people that are broke already? WTF is going on

Also to note, the employer mandate was delayed and goes into effect next year for businesses with 50 - 99 employees.

However, this whole shenanigan is a disaster. By the end of 2015 nearly a third of the plans created under the ACA will have collapse, and here's the kicker; of some 3 billion promised by HHS to secure the market or risk corridors, HHS recently stated it can only pay 12.6 percent of that.

Source

But it was a move by the Department of Health and Human Services that the four closing co-ops say was critically destabilizing. HHS announced Oct. 1 that it could afford to pay insurers participating in the federal and state-run exchanges just 12.6 percent of nearly $3 billion they were owed under a temporary provision of the health-care law.

originally posted by: thinline
If more people would have chose no cable or no cell phone and bought health care, we all would be better off.

I have no cable TV. Our 2 cell phone plan runs a total of $18 a month. I use coupons and careful planning when grocery shopping. This Yule will be handmade and secondhand. I''m not complaining. Even if I had the cash, I wouldn't throw it away on things like the ACA.