Keeping UFO's Secret: Is it Possible?

a reply to: Outrageo

Some secrets, no, it is not possible, should some holders of the secret choose to reveal the secret (such as with death-bed confessions (e.g., Corso), whistle-blowers (e.g. Lazar), diligent researchers (e.g., Freidman), or the Aliens themselves (e.g., ^1/[3#↔@~=*⌡ô☼↑).

You do realize Freidman debunked both Corso and Lazar, right?

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Outrageo

Some secrets, no, it is not possible, should some holders of the secret choose to reveal the secret (such as with death-bed confessions (e.g., Corso), whistle-blowers (e.g. Lazar), diligent researchers (e.g., Freidman), or the Aliens themselves (e.g., ^1/[3#↔@~=*⌡ô☼↑).

You do realize Freidman debunked both Corso and Lazar, right?

Those were the days. Before he caught UFO disease.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Cosmic911

Government workers: Military and civilian workers that get deeply involved in UFO work get paid well on the job and their pensions come very close to being the amounts they received while working. They all pass clearance tests of their credibility for those jobs. They all sign statements that they can be persecuted if they fail to follow what they have agreed upon. Lastly, most will be "company men" that believe in what they are doing, meaning in what they are told to do.

Most of these folks will believe in the enormity of the "UFO secret," draw comfort from that knowledge and understand the reasons why an unprepared public must be kept in the dark for as long as possible. The UFO secret is also a military secret as great as any that ever was secret. There is no better detailing of that than to acknowledge that the black triangles seen for now for four decades over the US are results of our utilization of ET physics. Being new here, I'll repeat for you one of my continual assertions: Black triangles, and similar vehicles we have defy mass, that feature represents the greatest development in transportation since the development of the wheel.

(Tales from Bob Lazar are the last place you should go for getting up to speed on UFOs.)

You make an excellent point about government workers Not wanting to risk a good, high-paying job with a great pension! Additionally, as you said, they believe what they're told; they "buy" into 'it,' so-to-speak. So if they're told the public would lose their minds if extraterrestrials were discovered, then they regurgitate it and make it their own. I also concur on your statement about Mr. Lazaar.

originally posted by: stormcell
They did a good jobs of keeping the various stealth fighters and bombers secret, as well as the U-2 spy planes.

www.urbanghostsmedia.com...

Agreed. I do not believe there were 'infiltrations' or 'penetrations' of projects Aquatone & Oxcart. However, unlike our nuclear weapons program, compartmentalization was even tighter, personnel in overall projects were minimal as needed to complete work, and lessons were learned from earlier black projects.

In regards to compartmentalization, it's the best tool the government and/or military has at their disposal to maintain secrecy. Take a single TOPSECRET black project, spread it 'thin' among a dozen or so corporations, and the left hand would have no idea what the right hand is doing.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Cosmic911

If you mean could extraterrestrial technology be kept secret, the answer is no. Any technology sufficiently advanced to travel between the stars would be incomprehensible to human scientists. Can you imagine a group of chimpanzees back engineering a jet plane?

While I understand the analogy, and appreciate it, I think at our level of understanding of physics, chemistry, etc, we'd do better at understanding interstellar technology than chimps would do with jet planes. I don't think the concept of the analogy is as proportional as it has been put.

a reply to: Cosmic911

While I understand the analogy, and appreciate it, I think at our level of understanding of physics, chemistry, etc, we'd do better at understanding interstellar technology than chimps would do with jet planes. I don't think the concept of the analogy is as proportional as it has been put.

How about this, then? If a jet traveled back a mere 300 years, could the finest minds in the world figure out what it was and how it worked? They did not yet have screwdrivers or blow torches. They had no conception of electricity. Do you really think we have the knowledge and tools to back engineer technology so advanced it is indistinguishable from magic?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Cosmic911

While I understand the analogy, and appreciate it, I think at our level of understanding of physics, chemistry, etc, we'd do better at understanding interstellar technology than chimps would do with jet planes. I don't think the concept of the analogy is as proportional as it has been put.

How about this, then? If a jet traveled back a mere 300 years, could the finest minds in the world figure out what it was and how it worked? They did not yet have screwdrivers or blow torches. They had no conception of electricity. Do you really think we have the knowledge and tools to back engineer technology so advanced it is indistinguishable from magic?

Back then, no. What I'm saying is that in today's time, even though we might not have the technology to reverse engineer it or replicate it, conceptually we 'could' possible theorize how such systems potentially may work. It certainly wouldn't 'appear' as magic to us in 2015.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Outrageo

Some secrets, no, it is not possible, should some holders of the secret choose to reveal the secret (such as with death-bed confessions (e.g., Corso), whistle-blowers (e.g. Lazar), diligent researchers (e.g., Freidman), or the Aliens themselves (e.g., ^1/[3#↔@~=*⌡ô☼↑).

You do realize Freidman debunked both Corso and Lazar, right?

In addition to some of the holes Freidman found in Corso's book, he additionally found fault in the presentation of the material in the book, no table of contents, no index, no references, etc. It immediately turned him off. He used material that was most likely utilized by other authors, including Freidman himself.

a reply to: Cosmic911

Back then, no. What I'm saying is that in today's time, even though we might not have the technology to reverse engineer it or replicate it, conceptually we 'could' possible theorize how such systems potentially may work. It certainly wouldn't 'appear' as magic to us in 2015.

Every observed behavior on the part of UFOs violate the laws of physics as we understand them. We cannot even begin to conceptualize how they work.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Cosmic911

Back then, no. What I'm saying is that in today's time, even though we might not have the technology to reverse engineer it or replicate it, conceptually we 'could' possible theorize how such systems potentially may work. It certainly wouldn't 'appear' as magic to us in 2015.

Every observed behavior on the part of UFOs violate the laws of physics as we understand them. We cannot even begin to conceptualize how they work.

I disagree. We understand there are laws of physics, chimpanzees do not. That's the difference.

a reply to: DJW001

Believe me, I get what you're saying. Let's look at this from another perspective. What if the physics and/or technology involved weren't that much different from our understanding of physics, or imagination, but the BIOLOGY, is different. Extraterrestrials with longer lifespans, could potentially utilize more 'conventional' methods of propulsion. Toss in hibernation, etc, and it's completely plausible to travel between the stars.

a reply to: Cosmic911

In addition to some of the holes Freidman found in Corso's book, he additionally found fault in the presentation of the material in the book, no table of contents, no index, no references, etc. It immediately turned him off. He used material that was most likely utilized by other authors, including Freidman himself.

And that is probably all true but Friedman backs other equally poor cases. The point is that if Friedman debunks Corso and Lazar, and promotes the Hill abduction, Roswell and MJ12 which are equally problematic, then what value does Friedman offer?

originally posted by: Cosmic911
...Thoughts????

A couple of astronomers technically kept that star with a megastructure a secret for 4 years. And man did it go by quick. Secrets for thirty years or more on any alien issue... PIECE OF CAKE. Now let us eat the cake.

I am not sure why people think this is so unbelievable.

For starters, I think you underestimate the amount of sheeple on this planet that couldn't care less about UFOs, in fact the entire subject is a joke to them.

It would not be hard to keep a secret when barely anyone is even willing to discuss the subject of UFOs. You talk about a good BS job, they don't even have to lift a finger to hide UFOs, the people do it for them.

a reply to: Cosmic911

As I sit here on ATS reading about UFO's and extraterrestrials, former TOPSECRET black programs, USAF advanced aircraft, and former classified governmental and military programs, I'm forced to ask myself if it's even possible to maintain absolute secrecy regarding the existence of aliens/alien UFO's?

Yes, they can keep a secrete.

The government classified their secretes.
One can look at 911 and see how easy it was for them to hide and destroy all the evidence of that day.

One can look at Area 51 and how they classified all their information.

Classified is how groups or government are able to hide secretes.

It would be a no brainer for specialists directly involved with knowledge of extraterrestrials to keep it within a their group, especially in light of the broad implications. For individuals with specific knowledge, the weight of reality would be like a hammer on the nail. I would consider disclosure reckless and in fact unethical considering the state of humanity today.

There are those incendiary speculations regarding the quiet cooperative, but the real conspiracy is in our aberrant assumption that governments can make deals with non-human entities to save themselves. You know, from the plumber to the prime minister - we're all in the same boat here.The fact is that the entities act with impunity, first without having to make deals or even acknowledge their presence in any form that may be meaningful to us. Whatever limited contact we have is confined to the narrow directive of entrepreneurial acquisitions within a galactic industrial complex and evolutionary based culture.

Absolutely...You take a dedicated group of serious individuals, and no one outside their trusted circle will ever know what they are, or will ever be up to....And i assure you there are Secret groups all over this planet no one has ever heard of , or have ever seen what mischief they've been up to

Can you see what i'm up to?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: Cosmic911

As I sit here on ATS reading about UFO's and extraterrestrials, former TOPSECRET black programs, USAF advanced aircraft, and former classified governmental and military programs, I'm forced to ask myself if it's even possible to maintain absolute secrecy regarding the existence of aliens/alien UFO's?

Yes, they can keep a secret.
Sometimes yes, the Manhattan, Aquatone, & Oxcart projects. Sometimes no, Manhattan Project (eventually), and numerous CIA/NSA programs as a result of Edward Snowden's leaks to the media and press.

The government classified their secretes.
One can look at 911 and see how easy it was for them to hide and destroy all the evidence of that day.
While this may be true, the transcripts provided detailed and unadulterated insight into the events of that day.

One can look at Area 51 and how they classified all their information.
In actuality, we are Not able to look at Area 51 (haha). We can assume most things Area 51-related are classified at the highest sensitivity, most-compartmentalized levels of classification.

Classified is how groups or government are able to hide secretes.[/
I believe most ATS are familiar with the basics of government and/or military levels of classification. Code-word classification further protects sensitive and classified information and materials.

Without a doubt, secrets can be maintained. As previously mentioned, Harry Truman was kept in the dark twice in his political career regarding the Manhattan Project. Administrators of the nuclear program managed to keep 28,000,000,000 (in today's $) hidden away from Congress and the VP. That's astounding IMO. The Soviets eventually penetrated the program, but, regardless, General Groves was a fanatic about 'compartmentalization' and pioneered keeping secrets 'secret' at Oak Ridge.

Thanks for the rebutall post.

originally posted by: Cosmic911

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Cosmic911

If you mean could extraterrestrial technology be kept secret, the answer is no. Any technology sufficiently advanced to travel between the stars would be incomprehensible to human scientists. Can you imagine a group of chimpanzees back engineering a jet plane?

While I understand the analogy, and appreciate it, I think at our level of understanding of physics, chemistry, etc, we'd do better at understanding interstellar technology than chimps would do with jet planes. I don't think the concept of the analogy is as proportional as it has been put.

I agree. There has been a step change in human understanding over the last 400 years, sparked by Isaac Newton who finally got us on the correct track about how to think about the universe. Before we knew hardly anything about anything; now we know a tremendous amount and even make extraordinary predictions about astronomical phenomena of exceptional remoteness and violence, all from basic physical principles and understanding. When we measured neutrinos in 1987 from a supernova, that was conclusive evidence that we have arrived.

Chimps don't understand the existence of the problem. We do, and we have proven tools to get further and further.