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Why Isn't America Stepping Up and Taking Its Share Of Syrian Refugees?

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posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: earthling42

Thanks for a very interesting reply. I did know about the pipeline as its been covered on a number of threads here.

(As a side line) An interesting point was made I hadn't heard before though about Iranian oil in comparison to Saudi oil. Apparently Iranian oil is of a much better quality so there is considerable demand for it.

However if this is honestly about a pipeline, then people need to stand trial for crimes against humanity because the suffering this has caused, not to mention the possible toppling of the EU if this stem of migrants isn't stopped, is way too high a price to pay for some pipeline and a few men's greed.




posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Cygnis

If he collapses the EU, America will loose a very valuable trading partner so its time to wake up - if you can work out the repercussions of this lunacy on ordinary Americans and Europeans.


Well, think about this--if the EU collapses (which is eventually bound to happen by its own design), it won't be America who needs the guaranteed trading partner as much as the countries of Europe who would be scrambling to figure out how to keep each individual country's economy viable before being reduced to something akin to Greece's debacle, but without a safety net.

And it wouldn't be Obama collapsing the EU as it would be the open-borders policy of the nations that exist there.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7




Syria wasn't a problem to America or Europe before Obama started his 'hate' campaign.


Syria was never a problem per-se, but this may be interesting to you and others, when considering Syria and why we're there:

Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines


Editor’s note: This article has been updated to reflect recent Wikileaks revelations of US State Department leaks that show plans to destabilize Syria and overthrow the Syrian government as early as 2006. The leaks reveal that these plans were given to the US directly from the Israeli government and would be formalized through instigating civil strife and sectarianism through partnership with nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and even Egypt to break down the power structure in Syria to weaken Iran and Hezbolla.


And this from RT in 2006:

Assange on ‘US Empire,’ Assad govt overthrow plans & new book ‘The WikiLeaks Files’ (EXCLUSIVE)


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has opened up about his new book, 'The WikiLeaks Files,' speaking about the 'US empire' and telling RT's 'Going Underground' program that Washington had plans to overthrow Syria's government long before the 2011 uprising began. Speaking to 'Going Underground' host Afshin Rattansi, Assange referred to the chapter on Syria, which goes back to 2006. In that chapter is a cable from US Ambassador William Roebuck, who was stationed in Damascus, which apparently discusses a plan for the overthrow of the Assad government in Syria.


If nothing else, it's food for thought.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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Interesting that everyone is ignoring the fact that there was a civil war in Syria four years before the US became involved. People were asking way before that for our involvement. We refused, and only entered when the brutality of Assad became so reprehensible that we joined in to assist in preventing so many citizens being killed if we could.

And WE ARE taking refugees. Is this a contest? The country who takes the most refugees wins?

Then I guess Sweden gets that award. *applause for Sweden*
edit on 10/19/2015 by angeldoll because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
Interesting that everyone is ignoring the fact that there was a civil war in Syria four years before the US became involved. People were asking way before that for our involvement. We refused, and only entered when the brutality of Assad became so reprehensible that we joined in to assist in preventing so many citizens being killed if we could.

And WE ARE taking refugees. Is this a contest? The country who takes the most refugees wins?

Then I guess Sweden gets that award. *applause for Sweden*


Oh yeah? You think so do you?



General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

Watch it and weep.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

I've seen that before, but thanks. AS IF it has anything to do with the fact that the Syrian Civil war started four years ago, without any outside help. They wanted to rid themselves of a brutal dictator.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: MysterX

I've seen that before, but thanks. AS IF it has anything to do with the fact that the Syrian Civil war started four years ago, without any outside help. They wanted to rid themselves of a brutal dictator.



You've never heard of black ops?

Nor working behind the scenes to influence foreign governments?

Come on angel, nobody is that naive surely.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

Certainly I'm not denying our involvement. Come to think of it, our starting a war in Iraq will go down in history (it already has) as the second biggest mistake the U.S. has ever made, second to slavery.

But Syria became a part of that "Arab Spring" movement. People were fighting in Egypt, all over. Do you think we engineered all of that?



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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But Syria became a part of that "Arab Spring" movement. People were fighting in Egypt, all over. Do you think we engineered all of that?

In October of the year before a flotilla of ships moved through the area. So what , you say , that happens.But this was several US Navy escort ships and an aircraft carrier , an Israeli submarine. The most curious though was a French troop carrier capable of transporting > 1500 troops.Whats strange about that? Usually maneuvers like this do not include the French and unique the troop carrier. Is it possible that the US used the French to unload 1500 + dissidents in that area? From France ? Hmmm....






posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Ameilia

We appear to take in anyone from anywhere - not fussed nor choosey. You only have to barge in and - here you are.

We do not have even a tiny village in the back of beyond that doesn't have at least one Chinese Restaurant - for which the locals are all grateful. We are currently wolfing our way through Mexican food, so neither do we appear to say no to Mexicans - quite the multicultural little gourmets paradise -



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You make a very interesting point. I am aghast at how other ME and especially Muslim countries as Islam is a political system also) are not cutting up rough about the impunity with which neighbouring countries seem to be decimated in the name of democracy and the act of getting rid of their Head of State. A tiny point is that many heads of state are disliked even hated, but men like Chubby from North Korea or Robert Mugabe don't seem to attract the attention they clearly should.

The eye-opener is though that refugees - apart from many Aghans who its understandable with the Taliban - something god help anyone having to live under, clearly want to get right away from anything resembling them - but most do not seem to want to go to other Muslim countries; yet as we are seeing slowly coming into the open, once here and established they suddenly want to bring in Sharia etc which beggars the question why come here when you could have had Sharia elsewhere and live in an inclusive Muslim country - unless you are here for the benefit system and free housing, education, health care blah blah.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Have you asked many Syrians this because the few I have met don't say this at all. The Assads have ruled in Syria for a very long time so its funny that only recently people have suddenly become so dissatisfied.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

Thank you. I hate seeing the suffering of a lot of these people but unless these huge numbers of people are shared out around the world, neither they or anyone else are going to find a satisfactory solution.

With economies skirting recession, the resources needed may well not be available throughout the EU. It is an impossible problem that European countries are facing and the long term consequences that are not being talked about enough and planned for.


No one is going to win in this situation except possibly the bankers and elite, although I doubt today they will get off scot-free as I hope many will be calling for people to be made accountable over the ME mess. Bush and Blair are certainly on that list.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

This is exactly what this thread is about accountability - which I certainly don't ignore Oinky cameron and some of the EU's leaders also - however in truth they follow the USA - you know it and we know it.

Were people so unhappy in Syria , had this been so then surely there would have been a large and steady flow out over the years. This is not the case. |What is the case is that they have been leaving in their droves since the deliberate arming of groups - some artificial and inaugurated by the USA via its various agencies in the first place who have caused havoc, death and destruction.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: texasyeti

Too worried more people will want to rise up against the house of Saud. There appears to be a number of people not happy living there. Also who would want to go to a country that crucifies and stones people to death.

If any dictatorship or Head of State needed removing King Saud and his endless relatives should be on the top of list - certainly not dancing round on some Human Rights committee etc.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

I agree location is a huge issue here but I do wonder with the dangers involved in this journey whether getting onto a ship might not have been a better bet for many.

What I have continually running through my mind is the journey a young 18 year old Afgham man made pushing his elderly Grandmother in her wheelchair from Afghanistan to Germany. He won my heart with his care and heroic character - not a word of complaint or a moan, just hoping to get her there safely. Men with hearts and stamina like that are assets for any new country.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: ScrewGmail

Tut Tut - you are naughty however right you might be. I hasten to add about the government of America, not its people whose hearts are every bit as caring and generous as anywhere else in the world.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Have you asked many Syrians this because the few I have met don't say this at all. The Assads have ruled in Syria for a very long time so its funny that only recently people have suddenly become so dissatisfied.


Not according to human rights organisations. When you run a country by fear, people tend to be reluctant to say anything that may result in a visit from the police.

I know it was few years ago (1982) by Assad's dad presided over the Hama Massacre which left upwards of 40,000 dead.

Assad has also prosecuted a brutal civil war. Everyone involved has demonstrated brutality.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I agree location is a huge issue here but I do wonder with the dangers involved in this journey whether getting onto a ship might not have been a better bet for many.

What I have continually running through my mind is the journey a young 18 year old Afgham man made pushing his elderly Grandmother in her wheelchair from Afghanistan to Germany. He won my heart with his care and heroic character - not a word of complaint or a moan, just hoping to get her there safely. Men with hearts and stamina like that are assets for any new country.



Understand. From what I hear it cost quite a bit to go from say Turkey to eu being smuggled. I would assume to make that same trip to America way more.



posted on Oct, 19 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

You hit the nail on the head about the whole stupid policy of removing various Heads of State. These men usually manage to hold - Yes I know through fear - all the warring factions under control within their countries. Once they go all hell breaks out.We know this we can even delve back into history to see this lesson being played out time and again

This policy pursued by the last two USA presidents has caused sheer chaos yet they (and their Euro lapdogs) have nevertheless gone ahead knowing the outcome of their actions and the lack of resources they have to hand to deal with the consequences of their actions. But never mind!

Only a very few people benefit from some pipeline or getting back loans they have leant to some other country - but its OK for the normal public to have to make sacrifices and suffer consequences because those who ultimately demand these policies in the very first place, only get richer and never get exposed for the greedy, wicked and evil characters they actually are. i hope we are all sick of it and demand change, justice and shaming.




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