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posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Grandma, can you answer this? What freedoms are being threatened?

Here's an interesting article I found on the topic:

Is Religious Liberty Being Threatened in the US?



When asked to identify the greatest problem regarding religion in public life:

30 percent cite the removal of religion from public places
25 percent cite government interference with free religious practice

24 percent cite religious groups attempting to pass laws that force their beliefs on others
9 percent cite the lack of protection for smaller religious groups.

Taken together, what do these findings mean?

First, there is not a clear consensus that threats to religious liberty are a serious problem in the United States. Nearly as many worry about religion being forced on them as are concerned about government interfering with religious practice. If 70 percent of us are not worried about the removal of religion from public places, clearly this issue does not trouble the majority of Americans.


With regard to the bolded points above, the questions I would LOVE to have answered are:

1. Why should religion be in public places in the first place? And how does that threaten an INDIVIDUAL'S right to religious expression?

2. How has the government interfered in an individual's right to religious expression?


3. I get this. This is me.

4. I understand this, too. Christianity is very well protected when it comes to expression, but Wicca? Paganism? Baha’i? Satanism? Not so much.



First, there is not a clear consensus that threats to religious liberty are a serious problem in the United States. Nearly as many worry about religion being forced on them as are concerned about government interfering with religious practice.
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If you believe that homosexual activity is forbidden by Scripture and is therefore wrong, you are clearly on the wrong side of public opinion and can expect growing restrictions on your freedom of speech and religious convictions. If you want to express your faith publicly, you can expect opposition and discrimination in some parts of our country.

If, however, you want to be salt and light in our dark and lost world, no court in the land can defeat your witness. Early Christians had far fewer religious freedoms than we enjoy today.




This particular thread is about perception.

The perception of nearly 40% of US citizens that they will lose religious freedom.

This perception comes from the very vocal
and media supported anti-theists who
are demanding that people not be allowed
to talk about or have symbols of their religion
anywhere outside of the home or place of worship.
And they do it in the name of tolerance,
they are calling for intolerance in the name of tolerance.

For many people perception is reality,
whether something is real or not.

The media is openly contemptuous of faith
on TV, movies, news etc. This contempt is followed up
by people saying things like "all religion is bad and
must be eliminated" showing up over and over
on TV.

This is causing people of faith to
fear the anti-theist movement because
it appears to be prevalent in the media and therefore
the perception is that it is more active and prevalent
than it is in society.

Also, there is the fear that when people
hear "we must eliminate all religion"
that it means what it did in the Holocaust,
even if it doesn't;
because it has happened before with the
rise of socialism.
That is the perception.

So while your perception is wrong and
paranoia is wrong that Christians want
a US theocracy and will get it.

Maybe you can understand the same
perception that socialists and anti-theists
want to destroy all religion and therefore
religious people.




posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
There are many on ATS who openly want
to abolish all religion in the US.

They are the anti-theists,


Maybe 6-8 people at the most. Given ATS's toodly-killian number of members, I'm going to say that's a TINY percentage, and couldn't be called "many on ATS". Not with any kind of integrity, anyway.

My question (which I don't hope to be answered) is... What is an anti-theist to you? A person who hates religion and wants to abolish it completely? Just for clarity.

Am I an anti-thiest?

I ask these questions in hopes of understanding your position better.



However, as seen on ATS there has been
a huge rise in the number of anti-theists
who are openly and loudly calling for
all religion to be abolished and for
no one to be allowed to practice any
religion where anyone else might
happen to see it or be exposed to
any symbol of any religion, or any
discussion of religion or talk of religion
outside the home.


Let's do an experiment. Send me 10 threads wherein the members are calling for what you're charging here. We'll each go over them and count up the number of members (not # of posts) who are clearly guilty of the charge and see what we get. You may be right. But I'd like to find out. Wouldn't you?

And even if what you're saying is true, people have the right to call for things. LAMBDA is calling to lower the age of consent. They're never going to get it, but they are free to ask. This is a nation of laws for a reason. And if you paid any attention to my first post in this thread, I explained WHY people are tired of the dominant religion having a 'special place' in the heart of our secular government. It (Christianity) may just have to step back from the position it holds, as it is imposing on the legal rights of others to exist peacefully in a heterogeneous society.

Religion will not be abolished in the US. It is protected completely, not only by the first amendment, but by the FACT that no one can tell you how to believe. Your faith is something no one, EVER, could take from you. Your religion CANNOT be abolished.



Funny thing is most anti-theists are
pro-Christmas. I think that anti-theists
should not use the word
Christmas and it is hypocritical. Also,
the word holiday as the origin is
Holy Day. To be ethically honest
anti-theists should call it
Corporate greed appreciation day.
or
Obesity enhancement day.
or
Happy Obesity and Corporate Greed Day.
(just a little pet peeve of mine when it
comes to anti-theists)


I'm really curious if you consider me an anti-theist. But your opinion on this holds for atheists, too, right? Either way, are you really saying that some people shouldn't use certain words?

What is 'pro-Christmas'? Is there a pro- and con- side to every holiday? Are we pro-Labor Day and con-Valentines Day?

I say Christmas, because that's what it's called, no matter who's saying it. Just like I say marriage because that's what it's called, no matter who's doing it.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


For many people perception is reality,
whether something is real or not.

Like, you mean, thinking someone threw a chair at you "simply because you are Christian"? So, the guy wouldn't have been incensed with anger enough to throw a chair at you if only you'd never told him you were a "Christian"? And that it happened because of some 'disease' he picked up by not being Christian?



Why in the hell would it even come up in a staff meeting at all? How did that happen to begin with? (Oh yes, I recall how you spoke about the students at Umpqua - so passionately, blaming ATS and the media for their deaths.)

*clears throat* Anyway, yeah - Narrative Therapy might be a very productive treatment for you. When you're ready, of course.


(You like the stephen lala gif, eh? Do you miss him like I do?)







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posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: grandmakdw


Halloween never was a Satanic holiday,
and this is a Christian saying it,
nor was it a Wiccan holiday,
it was a Pagan holiday.
And pagans ARE religious people
and paganism IS a religion.

So the anti-theist if honest, wants
to rid the world of all religion,
should include:
all of the above plus Buddism,
Taoism, etc.


if i may...i think that what you call "anti theists" are more than likely "anti theocrats" who are under the fairly arguable impression that there are some significant theocratic movements being orchestrated - although to how much effect, i couldnt say. there are countries all over the world who are very much theocratically operative, which may be construed as inspiring or even provocative to those who hold out for a more religiously motivated america.

the bottom line is, there is a faction of uncertain size in our nation that believes the end of this world heralds the beginning of theirs, and many members of this faction wouldnt be averse to...expediting the process. which is a scary line of logic no matter how you look at it.


Anyway, Christmas, as far as I am concerned
should no longer be practiced by Christians
the way it is today. We should move the date
to the date closer to Jesus real birthday.
We should pick a Sunday so no one has to take
a day off work. We should refuse to participate
in the corporate greed and overindulgence of
what has become what you call Christmas,
but that is for another thread.


who is "we"? i hope you dont mean the government, because i suspect that would classify such an arrangement as a theocratic maneuver.


By we, I mean Christians,
Christians should refuse to celebrate
Christmas on Dec 25th and should
refuse to participate in
Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or
Obesity Enhancement Day.
I am not making a theocratic maneuver.

Christians should move the day
of Christmas - Christ's Mass -
a celebration of His birth,
to a day closer to the actual
day, which was NOT in the middle
of winter.

Anti-theists, people who hate
Christ and Christians, can continue
to celebrate if they want on Dec 25th, they just
should not, out of respect for their
OWN beliefs call it Christmas or a
Holiday (Holy Day) but rename it
something much more accurate;
like Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or Obesity Enhancement Day.
or even Friends and Family Day.


Why is suggesting that Christians refuse
to celebrate Christmas in the US
perversion that it has become, be in anyway
forcing theocratic ideas on others?



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic


What is 'pro-Christmas'? Is there a pro- and con- side to every holiday? Are we pro-Labor Day and con-Valentines Day?


Christmas wears me out and costs too much; likewise, Valentine's day is nothing but another expensive mid-winter pressure machine designed to SELL THINGS to CONSUMERS.

Labor Day? Meh. It's nice to have a long weekend every 6 weeks or so.
To celebrate end of summer. And the end of white shoes until Easter.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: notmyrealname
I always understood religion to be a personal relationship between the creator (GOD) and the individual. If this is the case, why and how is it possible to be persecuted? Keep within the boundaries of your religion and you never need to worry about persecution.


So you want people to keep within their boundaries?

Who sets the boundaries?

That sounds like anti-theist evangelistic fervor at work

with a little paranoia about theocratic takeover
(not gonna happen in the US, just not)


Keeping people in their boundaries sounds very socialist
kinda like Stalin, Mao and National Socialism, they
had very defined social boundaries.


The comments above regarding boundaries is not in any way shape or form related to what I have stated as my opinion; My opinion is simply, I do not need to know what anyone's personal relationship with GOD is. When it becomes a public matter, it infringes upon the freedoms and privacy of others who do not share the same beliefs. If anyone feels that it is their duty to spread their beliefs, it is not in alignment with what Christ taught and therefore a human failing to their religion.

BTW, I am not anti-theistic nor was the post. I have personal beliefs that will stay just that; personal and private.

Here are a few quotes from the Christian Bible (King James Version) that have to do with having a relationship with GOD and also some quotes advising not to worry about what happens here as GOD will protect them:

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." Phillippians 4:6-7

"Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you." 1 Peter 5:6-7

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." John 14:27

"The righteous cry out and the Lord hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles. The Lord is close to the broken-hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. The righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all." Psalm 34:17-19

"But those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on the wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint." Isaiah 40:31

"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." Deuteronomy 31:6

"Surely the righteous will never be shaken; they will be remembered for ever. They will have no fear of bad news; their hearts are steadfast, trusting in the Lord. Their hearts are secure, they will have no fear; in the end they will look in triumph on their foes." Psalm 112:6-8

"For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline." 2 Timothy 1:7

"What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all — how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?" Romans 8:31-32

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28

"So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand." Isaiah 41:10

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

"But you, Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness." Psalm 86:15

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw


For many people perception is reality,
whether something is real or not.

Like, you mean, thinking someone threw a chair at you "simply because you are Christian"? So, the guy wouldn't have been incensed with anger enough to throw a chair at you if only ou'd never told him you were a "Christian"? And that it happened because of some 'disease' he picked up by not being Christian?


Why in the hell would it even come up in a staff meeting at all? How did that happen to begin with?

Anyway, yeah - Narrative Therapy might be a very productive treatment for you when. When you're ready, of course.


(You like the stephen lala gif, eh? Do you miss him like I do?)








It came up in the meeting because it was for tenure.
Someone asked me about it because
they knew I went to church every Sunday.
And yes, he felt betrayed by me and angry
at me that I had hidden
the fact that I was a Christian from them.
I didn't hide it, I just was a "good little Christian"
and kept it private with no talking about it
or any symbols that would indicate my belief system.

He felt it was pertinent
to tenure because the department
was extremely anti-theist as a whole.
He was afraid that I had tried
or would try to indoctrinate students into
becoming Christians.
That was ridiculous because up until that point
almost no one even knew I was a Christian
except for a close friend or two. It was
unfortunately, one of those I thought was a
good friend who brought it up because she
thought the others deserved to know before
voting for tenure.

Now are you satisfied?

Thanks for calling me crazy in your little jab at the end,
so subtle and so downright rude.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
There are many on ATS who openly want
to abolish all religion in the US.

They are the anti-theists,
not just private worship
but any worship or any belief at all.

However, as seen on ATS there has been
a huge rise in the number of anti-theists
who are openly and loudly calling for
all religion to be abolished and for
no one to be allowed to practice any
religion where anyone else might
happen to see it or be exposed to
any symbol of any religion, or any
discussion of religion or talk of religion
outside the home.



To answer this again, I'm going to use a quote from you.

This fear of a Religious Abolition in the US is
extreme bigotry and prejudicial paranoia about
something that is not going to happen.

There are people in the US who want to legalize
pedophilia, not going to happen.

Just because a few wackos want something doesn't mean
it is going to happen,
that is extreme paranoia at work.


That so beautifully answers your concerns and you said it yourself!



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic


What is 'pro-Christmas'? Is there a pro- and con- side to every holiday? Are we pro-Labor Day and con-Valentines Day?


Christmas wears me out and costs too much; likewise, Valentine's day is nothing but another expensive mid-winter pressure machine designed to SELL THINGS to CONSUMERS.

Labor Day? Meh. It's nice to have a long weekend every 6 weeks or so.
To celebrate end of summer. And the end of white shoes until Easter.


Well, there is one thing we can agree on.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You should read my other posts in the thread too.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: grandmakdw


What is an anti-theist to you? A person who hates religion and wants to abolish it completely? Just for clarity.

Am I an anti-thiest?


Anti = against

religion = religion

against religion

as in actively against all religion


atheist - someone who doesn't believe in God;
most could care less if others do believe in God
they just don't, a sort of MEH about religion

anti-theist - 1. someone who is actively against religion and
.....................wants to see religious expression forbidden
.................... outside the home or place of worship;
.................2. and/or whose preference and goal is the elimination of all
....................religion in the world
.................3. and/or sees religion as a threat to society as a whole


It's up to you where you put yourself.



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posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


By we, I mean Christians,
Christians should refuse to celebrate
Christmas on Dec 25th and should
refuse to participate in
Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or
Obesity Enhancement Day.
I am not making a theocratic maneuver.


we do have those people. they call themselves "jews" and they celebrate hannukah instead of christmas.

as a side note, i sense more than a little vanity behind that finger you keep pointing at those experiencing obesity. hows that plank in your eye treating you?


Anti-theists, people who hate
Christ and Christians, can continue
to celebrate if they want on Dec 25th, they just
should not, out of respect for their
OWN beliefs call it Christmas or a
Holiday (Holy Day) but rename it
something much more accurate;
like Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or Obesity Enhancement Day.
or even Friends and Family Day.


im still not convinced that dedicating an entire day (or an entire month, for those who really get into the holiday season) of praise and worship to someone of flawless humility and enlightenment isnt an amusing contradiction in terms. but maybe its just me.


Why is suggesting that Christians refuse
to celebrate Christmas in the US
perversion that it has become, be in anyway
forcing theocratic ideas on others?


well, i see now that it isnt theocratic. it just belies the "understanding and compassion" that christians claim to be all about. i dont see much understanding and compassion in your thread, but i see a whole lot of veiled exclusivism and condescension. "make your own holiday because you arent worthy of ours."

jesus would weep.


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posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


And yes, he felt betrayed by me and angry
at me that I had hidden
the fact that I was a Christian from them.

He told you this?


I didn't hide it, I just was a "good little Christian"
and kept it private with no talking about it
or any symbols that would indicate my belief system.
Except for your pal who thought everyone knew and blew your cover. Why would you talk about it when you are in the field of PSY (as you call it)?

PSYC is looking at constellations of behaviors and repeated patterns to identify what the individual client is SUBJECTIVELY upset about.


He felt it was pertinent
to tenure because the department
was extremely anti-theist as a whole.

So - how did it even come up again? Oh, right - your blabber-mouth friend.


He was afraid that I had tried
or would try to indoctrinate students into
becoming Christians.

Not surprised. A subversive ("hiding their Christianity") teaching "Psychology" who MIGHT point to RELIGION as a remedy for emotional/mental discomfort or guidance is scary. "Sleeper cells" mean anything to you?

So anyhoo - did you get tenure?



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: grandmakdw


By we, I mean Christians,
Christians should refuse to celebrate
Christmas on Dec 25th and should
refuse to participate in
Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or
Obesity Enhancement Day.
I am not making a theocratic maneuver.


we do have those people. they call themselves "jews" and they celebrate hannukah instead of christmas.

as a side note, i feel more than a little vanity behind that finger you keep pointing at those experiencing obesity. hows that plank in your eye treating you?


Anti-theists, people who hate
Christ and Christians, can continue
to celebrate if they want on Dec 25th, they just
should not, out of respect for their
OWN beliefs call it Christmas or a
Holiday (Holy Day) but rename it
something much more accurate;
like Corporate Greed Appreciation Day
or Obesity Enhancement Day.
or even Friends and Family Day.


im still not convinced that dedicating an entire day (or an entire month, for those who really get into the holiday season) of praise and worship to someone of flawless humility and enlightenment isnt an amusing contradiction in terms. but maybe its just me.


Why is suggesting that Christians refuse
to celebrate Christmas in the US
perversion that it has become, be in anyway
forcing theocratic ideas on others?


well, i see now that it isnt theocratic. it just belies the "understanding and compassion" that christians claim to be all about. i dont see much understanding and compassion in your thread, but i see a whole lot of veiled exclusivism and condescension. "make your own holiday because you arent worthy of ours."

jesus would weep.





Boy you are way off target.
I don't want it to be exclusive.
However, if you don't like Christ, don't like Christians
why on earth would you want to celebrate a Holiday,
Holy Day named directly after Him?
Keep the day if you want, I don't care.
But why would someone who dislikes Christ and
Christianity want to keep the name anyway?
Doesn't make sense to me.

You can celebrate the new Christmas Day
with Christians if you so desire, not trying
to be exclusive, just intellectually honest.

Why the new names for the Day?
Well, to not hurt people's feelings who aren't
Christians or who hate Christ and Christians.

Why Corporate Greed Appreciation Day?
Because many, many corporations make 40% of all
their profits off the one day.

Why Obesity Enhancement Day?
Because overeating and overindulging to the
extreme is such a part of it.

I did suggest Friends and Family Day.
That is quite religion neutral and won't hurt
anyone's feelings and will make everyone
feel included (except those without friends
or family) and is totally non-religious.

I was trying to be inclusive and intellectually honest
and to take the abject pain out of the holiday
for those who hate religion or are not Christian for
being "forced" to use a word with Christ in it that
means both Christ and Mass (a church service).
I was trying to be inclusive of everyone, not exclusive.

As someone who doesn't like Christians or Christ
why do you want to celebrate a day that is so
closely associated with and named after a religion
you despise? Why not rename it something quite
generic and appropriate?



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: grandmakdw


And yes, he felt betrayed by me and angry
at me that I had hidden
the fact that I was a Christian from them.

He told you this?


I didn't hide it, I just was a "good little Christian"
and kept it private with no talking about it
or any symbols that would indicate my belief system.
Except for your pal who thought everyone knew and blew your cover. Why would you talk about it when you are in the field of PSY (as you call it)?

PSYC is looking at constellations of behaviors and repeated patterns to identify what the individual client is SUBJECTIVELY upset about.


He felt it was pertinent
to tenure because the department
was extremely anti-theist as a whole.

So - how did it even come up again? Oh, right - your blabber-mouth friend.


He was afraid that I had tried
or would try to indoctrinate students into
becoming Christians.

Not surprised. A subversive ("hiding their Christianity") teaching "Psychology" who MIGHT point to RELIGION as a remedy for emotional/mental discomfort or guidance is scary. "Sleeper cells" mean anything to you?

So anyhoo - did you get tenure?


No I did not get tenure,
yes because I admitted to being a Christian.

as for the rest of it, get a grip and a life,
why do you need to know the details of my life,
is your life that boring that you consistently
and constantly have to dig into mine over and over
on different threads. Grow up, get a life of your own
and make it interesting so you don't have to live
vicariously through others.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


Thanks for calling me crazy in your little jab at the end,
so subtle and so downright rude.


What?!!

Where did I say you are crazy? You mean the tip about Narrative Therapy?
Do you even know what Narrative Therapy is?


Do you think that only "crazy" people go to therapists? Or if a person goes to see a therapist they will catch the crazy?

Every person on earth can benefit from a knowledgable professional listening to them and helping them pick apart (deconstruct) the parts of their lives that are bothering them.
To learn new coping skills, alternatives and options to their habitual coping skills which have finally failed to continue to work once they find themselves in really deep emotional water.

There is NO SHAME in introspection and self-awareness.
Narrative Therapy is learning to "reframe" the pictures and ideas you walk around with that DETERMINE YOUR PERCEPTION.

Or, was it that I wondered if you miss Stephen like I do? He's an absurdist, you know.
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posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


as for the rest of it, get a grip and a life,
why do you need to know the details of my life,
is your life that boring that you consistently
and constantly have to dig into mine over and over
on different threads.

You brought it up! I thought it was relevant to your OP; you pointed it out twice as some sort of evidence to back up your claims of media encouraging "anti-theism."

You didn't have to answer whether or not you got "tenure" - but I'm sure you feel better publicly blaming that horrible man for persecuting you and your failure to get "tenure."


Grow up, get a life of your own
and make it interesting so you don't have to live
vicariously through others.

LOL!!!

My life is plenty interesting, and I'm not the one melting down in their own thread. Enough about your tenure, though.

Now, back on topic: Did you look at the links provided above? That SHOW YOU that there factually ARE people trying to force a Christian Theocracy?



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

But you didn't answer my questions.

1. Why should religion be in public places in the first place? And how does that threaten an INDIVIDUAL'S right to religious expression?

2. How has the government interfered in an individual's right to religious expression?

By the way, it is more than perception that some governmental leaders want to have a Christian Theocracy. There's a HUGE difference in the political weight of a few ATS members' opinions measured against Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz and anyone in government who has their sites on, if not a total theocracy, then certain legislation that would further impose restrictions on the people who have made such headway recently in claiming their PERSONAL freedom. Specifically, people's right to their own bodies, their own sexuality, their own gender, their autonomy. It's already proven to be the case with abortion. The religious right doesn't like abortion and they HAVE used legislation, backed by religious opinion, to restrict a woman's right to her own body. They want to dictate how gay people are allowed to express their relationship, LEGALLY. This is more than perception.



posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 04:13 PM
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By the way, it is more than perception that some governmental leaders want to have a Christian Theocracy. There's a HUGE difference in the political weight of a few ATS members' opinions measured against Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz and anyone in government who has their sites on, if not a total theocracy, then certain legislation that would further impose restrictions on the people who have made such headway recently in claiming their PERSONAL freedom. Specifically, people's right to their own bodies, their own sexuality, their own gender, their autonomy. It's already proven to be the case with abortion. The religious right doesn't like abortion and they HAVE used legislation, backed by religious opinion, to restrict a woman's right to her own body. They want to dictate how gay people are allowed to express their relationship, LEGALLY. This is more than perception.


Amen sister! Preach it!




posted on Oct, 18 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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No I did not get tenure,
yes because I admitted to being a Christian.


Hmmm..
Actually, I had to leave a salaried job where I was moving my way up through supervisory positions because CORPORATE insisted on changing to new policies that treated their front line workers like crap; disposable labor. I couldn't do it and sleep at night.

Those staffers were my friends, my colleagues, my team. I was the go-between regarding front-line staff and management. Being stuck between their legitimate situations and "Corporate's" stupid spread-sheet bitching about the department being .03% over budget and so cutting hours of people working for minimum wage made me furious.



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