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originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: Seede
According to the OT God was the good guy. God made a perfect house for us to live in. Never had to worry about house payments or utility bills or doctors or hospitals of rescue and fires or even the weather. It was all perfect with free stuff. And the kicker was that you never had to die. No such thing as a tooth ache or being hungry.
Yes all very true, it was in essence a paradise! That you and I can agree on. The following though...Is kind of fallacious;
Now guess who screwed all of this up? Go ahead I'll wait. Tum de dum ------------------------------ Well did you get the answer? If you didn't know then I will tell you. It was Mom and Pop. No No, it was not God who screwed this all up. It was Mom who wanted equal rights with the Guy that gave her all the free stuff. Some people call this greed but it was actually the free will to throw the rule book in the dump and hate the hand that fed her. Mom took her choice the same way that you took your choice. So Mom and Pop wanted to knock the Guy that loved them so much that He gave them free stuff. That is what you see today. The Moms and Pops from then on screwed the Guy who loved them so much that He simply let them have their own way.
So are you admitting that Adam and Eve indeed lacked free will prior to disobeying God? Why then punish the descendants to a grueling fate of turmoil and hardship on earth? What is all that supposed to prove? Tough love on the descendants when they never were able to experience the blissful ignorance of basking in God's glory? On top of that are you implying that God an all powerful,all-knowing, omnipresence of a character was not able to foresee the potential "corruption" of his children and intentionally allowed it to happen? I would call Eve's actions discovering new knowledge that God was willingly holding out on them.
But you see these kids are not the kids of God. God only had two kids. All the rest belong to the Moms and Pops who bad mouthed the Guy that gave the free stuff. It's called Pro Creation and not Creation. Big difference. You got this all wrong. You blame God for what people did. That is what is going on today. The bad mouths are blaming the cops for them stealing and killing. Same ole story from way back when. By the way God does not punish you forever. He simply does not want this kind of crap in His new world. He now gives us a chance to live forever and get the free stuff that He gave His kids. The ball is in your court.
Yes genetically the descendants are Adam and Eve's children, technically their also Gods kids as well. I even have the fictional book to back me up; Acts 17:24-29, John 1:12 read it for your self. If were God's children we are his responsibility, If he wants to continue standing by as more people are killed and having their rights violated that's his fault and his fault that he allowed Eve to be tempted to begin with.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: Seede
According to the OT God was the good guy. God made a perfect house for us to live in. Never had to worry about house payments or utility bills or doctors or hospitals of rescue and fires or even the weather. It was all perfect with free stuff. And the kicker was that you never had to die. No such thing as a tooth ache or being hungry.
Yes all very true, it was in essence a paradise! That you and I can agree on. The following though...Is kind of fallacious;
Now guess who screwed all of this up? Go ahead I'll wait. Tum de dum ------------------------------ Well did you get the answer? If you didn't know then I will tell you. It was Mom and Pop. No No, it was not God who screwed this all up. It was Mom who wanted equal rights with the Guy that gave her all the free stuff. Some people call this greed but it was actually the free will to throw the rule book in the dump and hate the hand that fed her. Mom took her choice the same way that you took your choice. So Mom and Pop wanted to knock the Guy that loved them so much that He gave them free stuff. That is what you see today. The Moms and Pops from then on screwed the Guy who loved them so much that He simply let them have their own way.
So are you admitting that Adam and Eve indeed lacked free will prior to disobeying God? Why then punish the descendants to a grueling fate of turmoil and hardship on earth? What is all that supposed to prove? Tough love on the descendants when they never were able to experience the blissful ignorance of basking in God's glory? On top of that are you implying that God an all powerful,all-knowing, omnipresence of a character was not able to foresee the potential "corruption" of his children and intentionally allowed it to happen? I would call Eve's actions discovering new knowledge that God was willingly holding out on them.
But you see these kids are not the kids of God. God only had two kids. All the rest belong to the Moms and Pops who bad mouthed the Guy that gave the free stuff. It's called Pro Creation and not Creation. Big difference. You got this all wrong. You blame God for what people did. That is what is going on today. The bad mouths are blaming the cops for them stealing and killing. Same ole story from way back when. By the way God does not punish you forever. He simply does not want this kind of crap in His new world. He now gives us a chance to live forever and get the free stuff that He gave His kids. The ball is in your court.
Yes genetically the descendants are Adam and Eve's children, technically their also Gods kids as well. I even have the fictional book to back me up; Acts 17:24-29, John 1:12 read it for your self. If were God's children we are his responsibility, If he wants to continue standing by as more people are killed and having their rights violated that's his fault and his fault that he allowed Eve to be tempted to begin with.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: ketsuko
I had no choice into entering my former faith, when you live in societies where the dominant ideology has its tentacles wrapped around every aspect of life in some form for centuries your forced to adopt its beliefs as your own or risk being ostracized or suffer severe life threatening punishments.(i.e Islamic societies that practice sharia law) The reason we can discuss these ideas openly is because our rulers allow us, historically as you know that hasn't always been the case.
Within these societies though, dogmatic religions create a state of dissociation and deluded cognitive thinking about the deeper issues within or without the society.(e.g psychiatry in the past has labeled those who are mentally unfit as spiritually deficient and would operate as such. Same sex relations and transgenderism have been considered for the longest time a form of mental deficiency up until the DSM-III I think? Most of this mentality based on christian doctrine) This is the same for every religious belief not just Christianity and they will vary in their effects over the population.
I see the transitioning between religions and ideas not as a crisis of faith but a mere curiosity to explore other realms of culture and lifestyles that make up their beliefs. In other words if you choose to adopt those different beliefs for personal reasons such as it has improved said persons overall health and fitness. I think that is more than acceptable, shunning people for changing their minds on certain ideas? You may call it indecisive and disingenuous, I see it as people exploring their consciousnesses. Or their life forces or whatever you wanna call it.
I don't see how the christian doctrine preached by pastors today, read and spread around by fellow Christians is Luciferian? If your Idea of the character God is different, elaborate please...
Ok I am new to responding to, really any threads on the Internet, so I do not know how to ask what you all think of this question, I don't know how to respond to all of you at the same time, so I'm just going to reply to Nate.
Yes genetically the descendants are Adam and Eve's children, technically their also Gods kids as well. I even have the fictional book to back me up; Acts 17:24-29, John 1:12 read it for your self. If were God's children we are his responsibility, If he wants to continue standing by as more people are killed and having their rights violated that's his fault and his fault that he allowed Eve to be tempted to begin with.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
not meaning to interrupt here but..
Ok I am new to responding to, really any threads on the Internet, so I do not know how to ask what you all think of this question, I don't know how to respond to all of you at the same time, so I'm just going to reply to Nate.
Get 20 posts... then write your own thread for members to reply to
And please break up your writing into paragraphs... no one wants to read a wall O text
Many will just pass right by if said wall is presented
Carry on ladies and gents
So anyway here's my question let's assume that there is only one religion one truth and the Bible seems to imply that so based off of that sumption, wouldn't it make sense that all of the other religions would have different levels of truth in it and that Satan would use all but one religion too confused to divide and conquer to give God a bad name to make people not believe in God, I mean isn't that his military strategy that he is using against God because if there's only one truth and in your life you've only seen or INVESTIGATED EVERY RELIGION EXCEPT FOR THE TRUTH, because you do not know or have not experienced that one true religion out of thousands, wouldn't you throw up your hands and say AH forget it? OR you would just settle down with the not so true religion and just hope that God will pick from every religion and save you from Armageddon?
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I don't presume to know the origins of the universe.
As far as scientific theories go in comparison to antiquated origins stories?
Science.
"Gotta love how 'evolution theory' is historically demonstrated to be nothing but failed ancient mythology updated & repackaged with scientific lingo hijacked from Christian pioneers of science (Linnaeus, Ray, Mendel, Cuvier,etc), pushed by Freemasonic/Communist control of centralized gov't, universities, press, media & think-tanks backed by the satanic elite with their world Socialist revolution while 'Atheists' still cling to politically corrupt 'science' or point to imaginary 'evidence'." Source
"The theory of evolution came from the Hindu Brahmins. Pantheistic evolution was passed down by Pythagoras to the Greeks. Thales and his Ionic School branched out from Pantheistic Evolution to Naturalistic Evolution. Plato and Aristotle's evolutionary ideas were dispersed through the Alexandrian School in Egypt.
The ideas were followed through the Middle Ages (Aquinas), Renaissance and into Freemasonry, where they were preserved. Freemasonry and the Enlightenment had a re-birth of the philosophy of evolution. Lord Monboddo and Erasmus Darwin carried the philosophy forward. Charles Darwin, coaxed by Charles Lyell, developed the idea."
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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Just how many tin foil hats do you own?
The label "conspiracy theory" is commonly used to try to discredit criticism of the powerful in government or business. Of course, the American government has been busted in the last couple of years in numerous conspiracies.
In other words, high-level government officials have conspired to cover up the truth. Indeed, those who most loudly attempt to ridicule and discredit conspiracy theories tend to focus on defending against criticism involving the powerful. This may be partly due to psychology: it is scary for people to admit that those who are supposed to be their "leaders" protecting them may in fact be human beings with complicated motives who may not always have their best interests in mind.
It is scary for people to admit that those who are supposed to be their "leaders" protecting them may in fact be human beings with complicated motives who may not always have their best interests in mind. Indeed, long-term psychological studies show that approximately one-quarter of the American population has an "authoritarian personality", where they look for a "strong leader" to protect them.
Authoritarians not only don't want to hear that the most powerful people might be acting against their interest, they will aggressively defend against any such information. But it's not just the quarter of the population that can be said to clinically suffer from authoritarian personality disorder. All of us - to one degree or another - have invested tremendous hope in the idea that our leaders and institutions will protect us.
Why government shills & intellectual cowards LOVE the term "conspiracy theory"
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So anyway here's my question let's assume that there is only one religion one truth and the Bible seems to imply that so based off of that sumption, wouldn't it make sense that all of the other religions would have different levels of truth in it and that Satan would use all but one religion too confused to divide and conquer to give God a bad name to make people not believe in God, I mean isn't that his military strategy that he is using against God because if there's only one truth and in your life you've only seen or INVESTIGATED EVERY RELIGION EXCEPT FOR THE TRUTH, because you do not know or have not experienced that one true religion out of thousands, wouldn't you throw up your hands and say AH forget it? OR you would just settle down with the not so true religion and just hope that God will pick from every religion and save you from Armageddon?
Your question is based on a logical fallacy, Who knows the truth? You? Jesus? God? Why take God's word on anything regarding the acts of Satan? For example if you were to see two parents fighting over their child in your vicinity, lets say you were to sit and observe them for awhile.
You see Parent A, Parent B, Child A and Child B.
You notice Parent A is absent all the time and refuses to make time to see the children unless their worthy enough and even then they may still refuse. Parent A will also want the children to constantly adore and love them, If the children instead decides to play with their toys or watch cartoons or something else entirely. Parent A will become jealous and exert punishment in the form of further neglect. But Parent A will only appear to the children to physically abuse the crap out of them for refusing to recognize their authority over them. You also overhear that Parent A kicked out Parent B accusing Parent B of wanting greater authority over the children. All the while Parent A will constantly spout off about how much love they have for the children while simultaneously blaming the children for the predicament their in.
Now Parent B is shunned by Parent A and their friends. Parent B seemingly cares for the children and wants the children to make up their own mind about the life they want to live, was also more than willing to spend time and teach the children how. Parent B is further Condemned by Parent A and incites a restraining order over Parent B, threatening that if Parent B continues to corrupt Parent A's children that Parent A and their clone son from another union will kick Parent B's ass. Parent B than resorts to using proxies to communicate with the children about how the life Parent A promises is bull#. All the while Parent A continues to send his friends to say to the children that one day Parent B will be no more, for you see Parent A is to send his other son to kill Parent B.
Meanwhile the children fight among st themselves over which parents in the right. Child B adores Parent A and continues to follow every rule in place in the absences of Parent A. Child B's reward for their loyalty is to live forever and ever with Parent A and his friends where Child B and Parent A's friends shall adore Parent A in song and be granted great free health care. Child B also in light of this beats up Child A for not adoring Parent A, breaking any of the rules and continues to state that If Child A refuses to adore Parent A and his other son that Child A will be killed alongside Parent B. Child A sees how dysfunctional the family is and refuses to abide by either parents authority but is accused by both Parent A and Child B that they, Child A is adoring Parent B.
My question to you is, whose is in the wrong in the above example? Parent A? Parent B? Either one of the children? or you the observer who's bias leans to Parent A?
BTW welcome to ATS
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So anyway here's my question let's assume that there is only one religion one truth and the Bible seems to imply that so based off of that sumption, wouldn't it make sense that all of the other religions would have different levels of truth in it and that Satan would use all but one religion too confused to divide and conquer to give God a bad name to make people not believe in God, I mean isn't that his military strategy that he is using against God because if there's only one truth and in your life you've only seen or INVESTIGATED EVERY RELIGION EXCEPT FOR THE TRUTH, because you do not know or have not experienced that one true religion out of thousands, wouldn't you throw up your hands and say AH forget it? OR you would just settle down with the not so true religion and just hope that God will pick from every religion and save you from Armageddon?
Your question is based on a logical fallacy, Who knows the truth? You? Jesus? God? Why take God's word on anything regarding the acts of Satan? For example if you were to see two parents fighting over their child in your vicinity, lets say you were to sit and observe them for awhile.
You see Parent A, Parent B, Child A and Child B.
You notice Parent A is absent all the time and refuses to make time to see the children unless their worthy enough and even then they may still refuse. Parent A will also want the children to constantly adore and love them, If the children instead decides to play with their toys or watch cartoons or something else entirely. Parent A will become jealous and exert punishment in the form of further neglect. But Parent A will only appear to the children to physically abuse the crap out of them for refusing to recognize their authority over them. You also overhear that Parent A kicked out Parent B accusing Parent B of wanting greater authority over the children. All the while Parent A will constantly spout off about how much love they have for the children while simultaneously blaming the children for the predicament their in.
Now Parent B is shunned by Parent A and their friends. Parent B seemingly cares for the children and wants the children to make up their own mind about the life they want to live, was also more than willing to spend time and teach the children how. Parent B is further Condemned by Parent A and incites a restraining order over Parent B, threatening that if Parent B continues to corrupt Parent A's children that Parent A and their clone son from another union will kick Parent B's ass. Parent B than resorts to using proxies to communicate with the children about how the life Parent A promises is bull#. All the while Parent A continues to send his friends to say to the children that one day Parent B will be no more, for you see Parent A is to send his other son to kill Parent B.
BTW welcome to ATS
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So anyway here's my question let's assume that there is only one religion one truth and the Bible seems to imply that so based off of that sumption, wouldn't it make sense that all of the other religions would have different levels of truth in it and that Satan would use all but one religion too confused to divide and conquer to give God a bad name to make people not believe in God, I mean isn't that his military strategy that he is using against God because if there's only one truth and in your life you've only seen or INVESTIGATED EVERY RELIGION EXCEPT FOR THE TRUTH, because you do not know or have not experienced that one true religion out of thousands, wouldn't you throw up your hands and say AH forget it? OR you would just settle down with the not so true religion and just hope that God will pick from every religion and save you from Armageddon?
Your question is based on a logical fallacy, Who knows the truth? You? Jesus? God? Why take God's word on anything regarding the acts of Satan? For example if you were to see two parents fighting over their child in your vicinity, lets say you were to sit and observe them for awhile.
You see Parent A, Parent B, Child A and Child B.
You notice Parent A is absent all the time and refuses to make time to see the children unless their worthy enough and even then they may still refuse. Parent A will also want the children to constantly adore and love them, If the children instead decides to play with their toys or watch cartoons or something else entirely. Parent A will become jealous and exert punishment in the form of further neglect. But Parent A will only appear to the children to physically abuse the crap out of them for refusing to recognize their authority over them. You also overhear that Parent A kicked out Parent B accusing Parent B of wanting greater authority over the children. All the while Parent A will constantly spout off about how much love they have for the children while simultaneously blaming the children for the predicament their in.
BTW welcome to ATS
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
I don't presume to know the origins of the universe.
As far as scientific theories go in comparison to antiquated origins stories?
Science.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So anyway here's my question let's assume that there is only one religion one truth and the Bible seems to imply that so based off of that sumption, wouldn't it make sense that all of the other religions would have different levels of truth in it and that Satan would use all but one religion too confused to divide and conquer to give God a bad name to make people not believe in God, I mean isn't that his military strategy that he is using against God because if there's only one truth and in your life you've only seen or INVESTIGATED EVERY RELIGION EXCEPT FOR THE TRUTH, because you do not know or have not experienced that one true religion out of thousands, wouldn't you throw up your hands and say AH forget it? OR you would just settle down with the not so true religion and just hope that God will pick from every religion and save you from Armageddon?
Your question is based on a logical fallacy, Who knows the truth? You? Jesus? God? Why take God's word on anything regarding the acts of Satan? For example if you were to see two parents fighting over their child in your vicinity, lets say you were to sit and observe them for awhile.
You see Parent A, Parent B, Child A and Child B.
You notice Parent A is absent all the time and refuses to make time to see the children unless their worthy enough and even then they may still refuse. Parent A will also want the children to constantly adore and love them, If the children instead decides to play with their toys or watch cartoons...............
BTW welcome to ATS