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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman
No your a gnostic?
I am who I am... which does not require a title or label
Why did Jesus come to show the world the one true God
What was the reason
Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
I actually agree somewhat with what your saying... Except for maybe the link to a Jefferson bethke slam poetry. Jesus's teachings I actually agree with myself , although Theism is just another excuse for Christ followers to continue cherry-picking what aspects of religion they should follow. You wanna believe in a God fine that's your business, to say there's a secret group of religious zealots that are infiltrating Christianity that's fine too this is a conspiracy site. But to say I've somehow been deceived is a baseless assertion.
originally posted by: WeAllDieSoon
The nature of the Truth is that not everyone hears it. The proof of God is everywhere. Creation itself is proof.
Knowing the Truth and proclaiming it is not pride. I can provide evidence, which I already have, but proof is something that comes from God. The truth is either God revealed the truth or He didn't. The truth is you have been given the ability to seek the truth. Where there is smoke... Me, I know because I spent years seeking. My God has revealed Himself to me. He does that after you seek Him. He does it because He said He would.
You can't know if I am telling the truth, though. That is because God designed your reality so that it is up to you, personally, to seek the truth. If you hear it, and believe it, you will seek God. And then you will know what I know.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Wow..that was a load..
Seriously though you might want to take off the "I-love-God" beer googles and reexamine the book a little more objectively. We were not created according to your mythology for any other purpose but to worship God and his son, anything else is merely an insignificant secondary to the so called plan.
the Bible tells me that God has not changed his perfect purpose for mankind he just put that one on hold until we resolve this issue just like if we were in a classroom and there was a professor that had all the proof in the world that this is the correct equation for a particular problem on the chalkboard and one student raises his hand and says no no I have a better equation well the teacher would do himself a disservice in convincing the class that she had the only correct equation if he was to excuse the student and tell him to go to the principal's office then all the other children would wonder did their classmate have a point shouldn't the teacher have let him prove his point so they can see that the student was mistaken and the teacher had the only true equation for the problem on the chalkboard?
Yeah that is a good question? Why the # would you kick out a student who is clearly so arrogant to propose anything other than the already undisputed equation? Why would the professor not just have out right called him/or her on their bull# in front of all the students to prove to everyone why his equation is wrong. No instead the professor decides to give the ignorant fool ammo by casting him out of the class and taking a few ignorant fools with him so they can roam the halls, spreading there fiendishly nefarious equation to their fellow students...
Does this seriously not sound off to you? Why would an all powerful deity not just show Satan how wrong he is? We are talking about the same deity who created the universe right?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
longest sentence ever.
period.com
welcome to ATS, vincent, please use punctuation, and break up your text every three or four "lines."
I hate to say it, but Wallotext doesn't work so well here. TL;DR
Try again?
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Wow..that was a load..
Seriously though you might want to take off the "I-love-God" beer googles and reexamine the book a little more objectively. We were not created according to your mythology for any other purpose but to worship God and his son, anything else is merely an insignificant secondary to the so called plan.
the Bible tells me that God has not changed his perfect purpose for mankind he just put that one on hold until we resolve this issue just like if we were in a classroom and there was a professor that had all the proof in the world that this is the correct equation for a particular problem on the chalkboard and one student raises his hand and says no no I have a better equation well the teacher would do himself a disservice in convincing the class that she had the only correct equation if he was to excuse the student and tell him to go to the principal's office then all the other children would wonder did their classmate have a point shouldn't the teacher have let him prove his point so they can see that the student was mistaken and the teacher had the only true equation for the problem on the chalkboard?
Yeah that is a good question? Why the # would you kick out a student who is clearly so arrogant to propose anything other than the already undisputed equation? Why would the professor not just have out right called him/or her on their bull# in front of all the students to prove to everyone why his equation is wrong. No instead the professor decides to give the ignorant fool ammo by casting him out of the class and taking a few ignorant fools with him so they can roam the halls, spreading there fiendishly nefarious equation to their fellow students...
Does this seriously not sound off to you? Why would an all powerful deity not just show Satan how wrong he is? We are talking about the same deity who created the universe right?
This is Luciferian doctrine.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: NateTheAnimator
This is Luciferian doctrine.
Every religious person in the world must face a crisis of faith where they learn about a new system of belief and must consider ... "What if?" What if god is not God but Allah? What if the Buddhists have it correct? Maybe they know something over there when they practice Shinto ...
If such questions can shake you, then the faith you had wasn't very genuine.
So you label everyone else but you yourself, you are beyond labels
Watch the proud fall
All you have done is quote scripture, that doesn't prove anything, only that you can copy and paste
Well done you
originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: ketsuko
This is Luciferian doctrine.
What's luciferian is believing that God isn't Pure but that God is both Light and darkness, Love and hatred, Creator and destroyer.
It's because of this belief in an impure "god" that now people can use those very claims of such impurity against The True Pure Eternal God to promote satan/the devil.
Every religious person in the world must face a crisis of faith where they learn about a new system of belief and must consider ... "What if?" What if god is not God but Allah? What if the Buddhists have it correct? Maybe they know something over there when they practice Shinto ...
If such questions can shake you, then the faith you had wasn't very genuine.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
Christians, have you ever considered you might be on the wrong side?
Even if we were to both willfully ignore the OT, God is still not the 'good-guy'. Punishing your kids for eternity because they refuse to acknowledge your invisible authority? How in the world is that merciful? or loving for that matter? To me that seems incredibly sadistic behavior coming from an all powerful entity, don't you think?
Punishing your kids for eternity because they refuse to acknowledge your invisible authority? How in the world is that merciful? or loving for that matter?
According to the OT God was the good guy. God made a perfect house for us to live in. Never had to worry about house payments or utility bills or doctors or hospitals of rescue and fires or even the weather. It was all perfect with free stuff. And the kicker was that you never had to die. No such thing as a tooth ache or being hungry.
Now guess who screwed all of this up? Go ahead I'll wait. Tum de dum ------------------------------ Well did you get the answer? If you didn't know then I will tell you. It was Mom and Pop. No No, it was not God who screwed this all up. It was Mom who wanted equal rights with the Guy that gave her all the free stuff. Some people call this greed but it was actually the free will to throw the rule book in the dump and hate the hand that fed her. Mom took her choice the same way that you took your choice. So Mom and Pop wanted to knock the Guy that loved them so much that He gave them free stuff. That is what you see today. The Moms and Pops from then on screwed the Guy who loved them so much that He simply let them have their own way.
But you see these kids are not the kids of God. God only had two kids. All the rest belong to the Moms and Pops who bad mouthed the Guy that gave the free stuff. It's called Pro Creation and not Creation. Big difference. You got this all wrong. You blame God for what people did. That is what is going on today. The bad mouths are blaming the cops for them stealing and killing. Same ole story from way back when. By the way God does not punish you forever. He simply does not want this kind of crap in His new world. He now gives us a chance to live forever and get the free stuff that He gave His kids. The ball is in your court.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
Christians, have you ever considered you might be on the wrong side?
Yes. Now I'm an atheist.