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A fictional place invented by people who want to control people with fear.
How would one experience the bliss of Heaven if ones body is dead? I don't know. That's metaphysics for you
That said, this is general metaphysical musings and not really something we can attribute to Christian scripture. Or can we? Again, to me it seems to be speaking of a realm where people 'go' and 'experience' eternal suffering. That's just how it reads to me *shrug*
We'd have to transcend and become something godly ourselves to handle eternity...surely. At which point what's the difference between death and the dissolution of self?
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
God doesn't lie either - but he veils the truth from those who consider themselves wise in their own eyes. Finding the truth is a matter of humility and the acceptance of our need for grace (nobody can be counted pure in the eyes of God... Perseverance in seeking the person of God is the key. If we knock, the door will be opened. After that, it's just a matter of time until he 'leads us into all truth' by the power of His Spirit.
originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
You are an open-minded sort of person, by the look of things! A rare thing in these days and times. I would advise you to pray a simple prayer, and see what happens. Test it out! Simply say: ''God, if you are real, would you reveal yourself to me in some way. I want to know the Truth...'' That's what I did ten years ago, and the very next day someone walked past me in the street, before stopping, turning back and pointing to me. She said: '"You've been praying. God answers prayer. Come with me...''
She was prompted by the still, small voice of calm, the voice of God's own Spirit, who lives with all believers, to be an intermediary between me and God, to prove His existence, so that I could answer the call of God, to give my life to Him.
I came to faith in Christ through her talking with me, and since that day God has shown me a thousand things that I would have no natural way of knowing. He does so in order to help us in real, practical and spiritual ways, and to help others to come to know Him. He desires for you to walk with Him, and to know His voice, and to bless your life in a million different ways. Take it or leave it - but I hope you take it, in faith. Ask, and you will receive. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you.
Don't bother with 'Droidus the spirit guide' (or others like him) - he has no answers for anyone; not even those who are devoted to him. God Himself will be your guide.
originally posted by: WeAllDieSoon
The nature of the Truth is that not everyone hears it. The proof of God is everywhere. Creation itself is proof.
Knowing the Truth and proclaiming it is not pride. I can provide evidence, which I already have, but proof is something that comes from God. The truth is either God revealed the truth or He didn't. The truth is you have been given the ability to seek the truth. Where there is smoke... Me, I know because I spent years seeking. My God has revealed Himself to me. He does that after you seek Him. He does it because He said He would.
You can't know if I am telling the truth, though. That is because God designed your reality so that it is up to you, personally, to seek the truth. If you hear it, and believe it, you will seek God. And then you will know what I know.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
Christianity and all of it's secs have dominated most of the world for centuries.
"What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion... just because you call some people blind doesn’t automatically give you vision..."
...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."
"What if there were people within the various Churches of God who covertly were guiding the members to slowly accept new ideas which are alien to the true faith and who were dedicated to destroying that faith at all costs?" JESUIT-JEDI MINDTRICKS
...most of our institutions are infiltrated and run by racists, satanists, perverts and criminals, often masquerading as devout and God-fearing Christians.
Did the Illuminati Exterminate Canadian Indian Children?
In the late forties the Illuminati wanted to infiltrate the churches because they understood the power of God within the structure of the church, and they had to find a way to infiltrate the church to break down that spiritual strength within the church, the power of the holy spirit that works within the church. They had to find a way to infiltrate that, and they wanted to bring the world into the churches so that the churches wouldn't be so strong spiritually. That was part of my father's job.
The method the illuminati used to infiltrate the organized church
What if I were to tell you, that there is a vast Satanic conspiracy to deceive the masses of every society on earth? What if I were to tell you that the top leaders of the world’s religions were in league with the Devil? Would you think I’m crazy? I would! Yet, the truth is stranger than fiction! You have been lied to my friend. Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated organized religion. Link
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
If I am living the life I live in Christ today, it will not hurt me after I die and there is nothing there.
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
At which point what's the difference between death and the dissolution of self?
1 John 4:7-8 King James Version (KJV)
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Welp, I respect your right to disagree, but at least with what I believe there's no harm to me if I'm wrong. I understand where you're coming from, but Lucifer isn't God. He doesn't even compare. And he knows it.
Evil is to blame for the woes of the world. I see Lucifer as a party to Evil, but not as Evil itself. He isn't going to change sides, which shows good integrity on his part--and I don't hate him. I hate evil. God created Lucifer, too. He is God's most-beautiful angel and the ex-choir master. And I sure love beauty and music. But, I love God way more. It's sad that we can't all get along, but it is what it is.
I hope you figure it out. Jesus is the only way out of Hell. You seem to love Creation instead of God. That's idolatrous. Just sayin'.
Honestly if I had to choose any ridiculous religion I'd be a Satanist,Jesus is a benevolent guy but his Dad's a #ing tyrannical asshole.
As far as I know there is only one God who saves and that is Jesus Christ. No other religion makes that claim, not one.
Jesus is the only way out of Hell.
You seem to love Creation instead of God.
That's idolatrous. Just sayin'.
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Raggedyman
I read Akragon, he makes no sense, his logic is flawed
I don't think he could explain his own beliefs.
Which basically means you wouldn't understand the gospels, most of my beliefs come from there so...
Where is my logic flawed anyways?
Why did Jesus come to earth, simple question
To show the world the ONE true God...
Im sure your answer would be "to die for our sins"... so keep in mind I am not Christian
No your a gnostic?
Why did Jesus come to show the world the one true God
What was the reason